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Still trying to get my head around the fact that the words 'Take-Out' can mean food, a date, or murder.

To the paranoid people who check behind their shower curtains for murderers.  If you do find one, what's your plan?

Being popular on Facebook is like sitting at the 'cool table' of the patients' cafeteria in a mental hospital.

You know you're over 50 when you have 'upstairs Tylenol' and 'downstairs Tylenol'.

I too was once a male trapped in a female body ...and then I was born.

Quote from: GloryDays on Today at 01:19:15 PMYou make good optimistic points; however, as fans we are hopeful that the product is good and ready. Last year I had this attitude and felt betrayed. My frustration is that most other teams have the ability to turn around their weak O lines fairly quickly; but for the Giants it is a huge puzzle!!

Totally fair, and you're wise to not buy in until you actually see it happening. You're right that we've been down this road before.

For the record, I don't view this overall team as better than mediocre or fair (and they could be worse than that), but I have a hard time seeing why the line wouldn't take some sort of step forward this year assuming reasonable health. But fair enough to want to see that to actually believe it. I can't argue against that stance.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 27, 2024, 03:49:01 PMIn the 5th round you are looking for intangibles or a player you can plug in that does 1 thing really well. KR/PR has been horrible for multiple years now and now that is probably solved.

Could be an interesting competition between Tracy and the kid Milller for the ST slot. If nothing else we're assured of more speed in camp

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 12:05:56 PMI often think fans somewhat overrate the importance of coaching (relative to the importance of the actual talent level on the roster), but with O line in particular I think coaching matters quite a bit. I don't know exactly how good Carmen Bricillo is or will be, but I am extremely confident that he is at least somewhat of an upgrade over Woody Johnson, and I am cautiously optimistic that he may be a very large upgrade over Woody Johnson. I'm eager to see what impact he is able to have.

Neal was a total disaster for us at RT last year as well as in his rookie year. That was a major source of the trouble (albeit far from the only one). Elumenor played at a respectable level last year at RT for Vegas, for Bricilo. I don't know if they're planning on giving Neal another shot at RT and using Elumenor as a guard, but either way I think it's safe to say that we'll have much better RT play this year. Either Neal suddenly gets much better, or Elumenor takes over. Either way, that side of the line will be a lot better than the last couple of years, where we were counting on Neal and Glowinski whereas now we have Runyan and either a much improved Neal or Elumenor, who is solid.

That alone is big IMO. If Thomas can stay healthy, and JMS can improve from his rookie season (not a huge stretch), this line can be quite decent actually. Runyan is going to be fine, Thomas is an all pro caliber guy when healthy, Elumenor was a 70ish PFF caliber RT under this coach last year, and JMS is a talented player who had a rough rookie year but figures to hopefully improve in year two. Left guard is a bit of a question mark but we have multiple options there, so hopefully the best (or least bad) of all of those options is good enough to not mess up the whole line.

I actually think this will be a league-average line this year.

Another solid post!  As of now,  Elumenor is the best RT on the team. Based on age, size, and draft pedigree, if the competition is close, I'm sure Neal will get the nod at RT. If not, then Neal, Ezuada and McKethan can see who performs the best

From his spread sheet he posted (with has grades and scores)

Malik Nabers

Explosive, explosive, explosive. Can go from slow-playing at the start of his route to top gear in a flash and has the ability to sustain that speed down the field. So effortless off the line, serious acceleration. Bouncy athlete when needing to elevate. Plus wiggle off the line and can get on top of CBs quickly to stack them on vertical routes. Flashed some hand work too. Physicality can get the best of him in press but not a weak player. Works well fighting back to the football/finding it down the field and in the red zone. Natural mover with the ball in his hands. RB vision, plus quickness, and his supercharged burst all indicate him being a YAC weapon in the NFL. Doesn't appear to be elite burner but speed doesn't appear to be an issue whatsoever. My-ball menality in traffic but isn't a huge specimen. Far from small stature-wise though. Route running is good but could improve as he gets more experience running the full route tree. Didn't run a litany of routes in college. Has the athletic chops to be a star in that area eventually. In most classes, he'd be the clear WR1. Game is tailor-made for today's NFL.

Tyler Nubin

Large, lengthy, ballhawking FS prospect. Plenty of experience. Has seen every route concept imaginable, and made a play on many of them. Insane production comes from plus instincts, above-average quickness, and serious range + catch radius as the ball is arriving. Occasional flash against the run, but best deploy as a deep patrol man. Like a sizable net in the back end of a defense. Backpedal can be high, which slows him down a bit when needing to plant and drive. Fast but not a burner and not the most reliable tackler. Stops a lot of throws in his target area because of his positioning and how rapidly he can close a window. Not exceptionally versatile but rocks in his free safety role in coverage.

Andru Phillips

Silky smooth inside-outside CB with plus zone drops and awareness. Mirroring is quite good too when placed in man coverage. Mostly a fluid, calculated mover on the field -- not sudden/frantic -- but when he wants to click and close, it's special. Serious juice in his lower half. Smaller size (but good in the slot) and doesn't have premier length. Doesn't always play the ball naturally when its in his area but didn't see many targets in college. Teams stayed away. Will miss a lot of tackles but is one of the most willing and aggressive run-support CBs in the class. Played a lot at nickel and was rarely afraid to crash inside or throw his body around in hopes of making a shoestring tackle. And there are some impressive wins on the outside on WR screens or outside runs on his film. Speed is good, not amazing but the burst is elite. Capable relatively high floor CB prospect, although the tacklling and ball skills are a bit concerning.

Theo Johnson

Large, thick, highly athletic TE prospect. Good movement skills off the of scrimmage and his measured athleticism almost fully shows up on film. But more of an explosive specimen than a bendy one with plus short-area quickness. Speed in routes is there, and despite his huge frame, he has the springiness to eventually be a quality separator for the position at the next level. Despite his stature, he's oddly not a great blocker, especially for the run but holds his own as an extra blocker in passing situations. Not a make-you-miss type but speed and power through contact are there, and there's plus vision when he gets the ball underneath or on screens. Some easy drops on film but plays to his size in traffic. Will box out and catch away from his body. A bit of an older prospect. May have his best football in front of him because he was far from a focal point of the offense in college.

Tyrone Tracy

Former WR turned RB with incredible burst/bounce to leave defenders whiffing at air. While more of a straight-line burst RB, he has loose hips, so when he jukes it covers plenty of ground. For a player relatively new to the position, his vision between the tackles on zone plays is respectable. Not a ridiculous burner but plenty fast for the position. Exudes elusiveness as a smooth glider in space. Deploys tight spin when faced with defender in the hole and glides off. Shows ability to change speeds to allow blocks to materialize. Impressive contact balance and NFL-caliber frame. At times could hit the hole with a bit more authority. Much older prospect but minimal mileage on his legs. Of course as a former WR he has steady hands but wasn't a big part of the pass game in his final stop in college. While his rawness as a runner pops up occasionally, the upside is through the roof.


Darius Muasau

Shorter, limited length LB who wins with instincts and impressive quicks in the box. Quicker than he is fast. By a long shot. Very useful flipping hips in zone coverage just can't sustain speed to run with TEs in man and will be outphysicaled by most of them because of his size/length deficiency. One of the smartest football IQ LBs in the class. Reacts to PA quickly and will get to his depth in coverage assertively without any hestiation. Minimal hesitation to his game which does lead to missed tackles in space. While block-shedding won't be his speciality in the NFL, he does an admirable job either jolting blockers or avoidin them in the box, especially relative to his smaller stature. Relentless style makes him a decent asset as a blitzer. Ball skills are average at best. But very aware of his surroundings in coverage. Some athletic/size limitations to his game but this is a heady, reasonably twitchy second-level defender with a three-down game.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1O5yo3uN3pCnOPvM9zE4FSONwbIg6i68uJrdD7pb0CXo/edit#gid=324773575

The NFL is all about the matchups and the substitution packages.  The Giants added two players in this draft, which will make it tough for opposing defenses to have the right players on the field.

The first is TE Theo Johnson.  Combine him with TB Bellinger, and opposing DCs will dread seeing the Giants lined up in 12 (two TE) formations.   Opposing defenses will have to decide to go heavy to prevent the Giants from running them over with their two solid-blocking TEs and risk being in a tough spot to defend passes if the Giants put one or both TE out as receivers.   OR  The opposing defense goes lighter to handle the passing threat, which makes it easier for the Giants to power rush with the two extra solid blockers.


The second is RB Tyrone Tracy.  Tracy was a pretty good WR.  When Tracy is in the backfield teams will never know when Tracy could go in motion and split out wide in his old role as a WR, or if the Giants will simply play it straight up with a rush.  Again, it makes it very difficult for DCs to know how to play the GIants when Tracy is in the backfield.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on Today at 01:17:05 PMYes and no.  One of the benefits of building through the draft is the fact that you can get quality players on very cost controlled contract.  I couldn't find a full list showing the rookie slotting for the #39 pick the Giants traded for him, but #32 gets around $12 million.  Burns signed for $141 million with $76 million.  So you really can't look at him as in any way comparable to a 2nd round drafted player.

I respectfully disagree. I see it as managing draft capital to maximize overall value to the team. There was no one in this draft that is in the same league with Burns. Maybe one of players in the draft will become a pro-bowl edge rusher, but there is no guarantee of that. Burns is guaranteed, young, and with his best years ahead of him

Quote from: bamagiantfan on April 27, 2024, 10:44:18 PMI think the starting RB position is wide open. Gray is probably pushing Singletary for the starting spot. Singletary, like Hodgins and Isiah McKenzie, are here because Daboll knows what these former Buffalo players can do. He is a placeholder who got a ton of work in Houston last season after Pierce was ineffective. The Giants have already cut Corbin twice, Miller is a project, Deon Jackson is a good receiver who showed he can start in a pinch, and I'm not sure why Brightwell is still here. I think there is space for Tracy to get some touches in the backfield as he develops. He can help on Special teams but I don't believe that is why he was drafted.

I think Tracy immediately makes Brightwell expendable.