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It's not his fault. Blame all the DJ Hate out there.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 15, 2024, 11:19:28 AMIs this anything new? For the past 5 years it's been Barkley and now it's Lawrence and Thibs. The best players on the team or flashy 1st rd picks are typically the focus of the media.

It is sad that the highest paid player has never been considered the face of the franchise.

What did you say about conspiracy theories... "The Bastion of the Weak Minded"??

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 15, 2024, 09:34:21 AMI don't remember the first neck injury.   However the second one was a hit in the back because Ezeudu completely wiffed his block.  The ACL was from trying to get out of the pocket because his protection had completely broken down.   DJ actually was trying to get around his unengaged RT to escape the pressure from his left.   

"Jones, who just returned from a three-game absence with a neck injury, had his knee bend awkwardly trying to avoid a sack on the last play of the first quarter. He returned, but on the very next play, his right knee buckled under him again during his dropback.

"He felt like he buckled, and then he was running it off," Daboll said about the two-play sequence. "We went over to him, we talked to him, he said, 'Nah, I'm good,' and then went back in, and it obviously wasn't."

Awkwardly trying to avoid a sack... QB's try to avoid sacks every game. No QB is clean all game. He needs to learn how to protect his body. Something he hasn't been able to do in 5 seasons. Then instead of getting checked out, he goes right back out there. That's on Daboll too BTW.

The 2023 neck was all on Ezeudu, you're right. It was his 6th sack that day. The other 2021 neck was on a running play. He still doesn't slide and when he runs, he's exposing himself if he doesn't give himself up.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on May 15, 2024, 06:34:34 AMI think this is extremely important this year. One has to assume that his rushing production will take a hit post-ACL unless he has an Adrian Peterson-like recovery.

It won't matter if he hasn't learned how to slide or take an Eli dive. He's apparently too rigid of a body or not athletic enough to be able to slide. One of his issues is taking off after the first read. Because he can't read the field past his first read, or hesitates and windows close. Something the apologists and pilot fish are too stubborn or obtuse to accept. Which are the same traits he exhibits.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 15, 2024, 06:03:19 AMTell that to MVP QB Lamar Jackson.

Seriously, it's not like officials forced the Giants to punt when DJ's legs pick up a first down.  It's not like officials tell the score keeper to remove that touchdown because DJ ran it in rather than threw it.   Yardage, first downs, and touchdowns all count the same regardless if DJ got them through the air or on the ground.

Jackson can throw the ball downfield while scrambling and running or from the pocket and not get hurt to the point of losing a massive amount of time. 

Torn ACL, and several neck injuries have resulted in him not protecting himself by sliding or giving himself up. Not being available for 21 games out of 81 or 26%. All of his injuries are not from poor protection but poor judgment, stubbornness and too dumb to learn how to slide. 

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Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 14, 2024, 04:34:31 PMIt is the fact that the opportunity to set the tone and intensity is so reduced that what opportunity is there needs to be addressed with a sense of urgency.  I don't think we saw that last year.  My hope is that it changes this year.  But the early signs from rookie camp don't give me the warm fuzzies.

You make me wonder if Daboll survives another bad season.

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 14, 2024, 07:46:46 PMHe's paid to throw the ball. Quarterback.

Let's see how he does this year in the pocket.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 14, 2024, 07:45:19 PMHow many rushing yards did Jones contribute?

He's paid to throw the ball. Quarterback.

Quote from: todge on May 14, 2024, 07:10:56 PMEd: no one has confirmed why Daboll ran a simplified offense that year. But did you ever consider it was constructed that way to accommodate an awful pass blocking OL and a WR corp lacking of any talent?

As to the Vikings - Jones passed for 300 yards and ran for 100 while Barkley ran for 53 yards. Why did Barkley struggle against a weak defense and Jones didn't?


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Barkley ran for 84 yards and Jones 34. Against Indy Jones passes for 177 yards. He passed for 135 and 169 yards against Philly. He passed for 300 yards three times that year and two times against Minnesota. Twelve games of 200 yards or less. So no.

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Quote from: uconnjack8 on May 14, 2024, 05:59:33 PMDo you see McFadden as a good fit for this system?

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Quote from: Fletch on May 14, 2024, 01:58:33 PMJust stop with this xxxxxxxx already. Daniel Jones on the Lions would look like Daniel Jones. A low skilled passer who cannot make decisions in the pocket. The day Daniel Jones is ever considered a pro bowl player in either college or the Pros will be the first time. The day Daniel Jones is considered a top 10 QB in Passing yards per game; passing TDs; Passes completed like Goff has in several seasons will be the first time; both college and pros.

Russ Wilson has little to do with Goff. He is much younger and has already had success on another team. The whole idea of building around Stafford is really puzzling to me. They decided to build around Goff by trading Stafford for boat load of picks. The Lions were not a good team instantly but, eventually they are hitting their stride after developing talent and lots of it they got in the trade.

THe book is not closed on Goff because he got traded and had a bad year on the Rams. The Rams were in win now mode with a QB in a slump or at worst and in a bad contract. That is neither here nor there.

The Lions have little choice but to pay Goff. They are a playoff team. The Giants are not and had every reason to move on from Jones.

He puts up the yards but he's averaged 23 TD's a season, had three years with the Rams and Lions where he had avg. 20 TD's a season and his career Rating and QBR are just ok. He's one of the better middle of the pack QB's but this contract is ridiculous. He's the second highest-paid QB in the league.