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#11
Big Blue Huddle / Giants bad luck
Last post by MightyGiants - Today at 09:34:46 AMWhile bad decisions have certainly been made, I think the Giants have been arguably one of the unluckiest teams in the league.
Consider:
2010- In the third round, the Giants draft a promising safety and special teamer, Chad Jones. He has an off-season auto accident and never fully recovers. Plays some snaps but as a shadow of his former self.
2015- Giants star edge rusher JPP mangles hand in fireworks accident. Eventually returns, but isn't quite the player he had been
2020- Giants first-round cornerback Deandre Baker arrested for armed robbery. He is eventually found innocent, but not before the Giants cut him.
2014- Promising first-round running back David Wilson found to have stenosis in his neck and has to retire from football before his rookie contract is even finished
2016- a last-minute video pushes Laramy Tunsil off many draft boards. This left the Giants scrambling and they ended up drafting Eli Apple
2015- Legal questions kept La'el Collins (solid O-line prospect) from being drafted in round one. This pushes the Giants to take Ereck Flowers instead. Worse, Collins ends up signing as a free agent with Dallas essentially giving the Cowboys a free extra first-round pick.
Consider some of the drafted players with healthy college careers but became injury messes in the NFL
Saquon Barkley
Evan Neal
Daniel Jones
Joshua Ezeudu
Azeez Ojulari
Evan Engram
Weston Richburg
Justin Pugh
Shane Lemieux
Aaron Robinson
Guys whose careers were cut short by injury
Hakeem Nicks
Terrell Thomas
Jay Bromley
Owamagbe Odighizuwa (mental illness)
Sterling Shepard
Victor Cruz
Jake Ballard
Even OBJ suffered a major injury.
Have I missed any other bad luck issues the Giants have had the last decade or so?
EDIT TO ADD: McKinney's fluke hand injury in 2022
Consider:
2010- In the third round, the Giants draft a promising safety and special teamer, Chad Jones. He has an off-season auto accident and never fully recovers. Plays some snaps but as a shadow of his former self.
2015- Giants star edge rusher JPP mangles hand in fireworks accident. Eventually returns, but isn't quite the player he had been
2020- Giants first-round cornerback Deandre Baker arrested for armed robbery. He is eventually found innocent, but not before the Giants cut him.
2014- Promising first-round running back David Wilson found to have stenosis in his neck and has to retire from football before his rookie contract is even finished
2016- a last-minute video pushes Laramy Tunsil off many draft boards. This left the Giants scrambling and they ended up drafting Eli Apple
2015- Legal questions kept La'el Collins (solid O-line prospect) from being drafted in round one. This pushes the Giants to take Ereck Flowers instead. Worse, Collins ends up signing as a free agent with Dallas essentially giving the Cowboys a free extra first-round pick.
Consider some of the drafted players with healthy college careers but became injury messes in the NFL
Saquon Barkley
Evan Neal
Daniel Jones
Joshua Ezeudu
Azeez Ojulari
Evan Engram
Weston Richburg
Justin Pugh
Shane Lemieux
Aaron Robinson
Guys whose careers were cut short by injury
Hakeem Nicks
Terrell Thomas
Jay Bromley
Owamagbe Odighizuwa (mental illness)
Sterling Shepard
Victor Cruz
Jake Ballard
Even OBJ suffered a major injury.
Have I missed any other bad luck issues the Giants have had the last decade or so?
EDIT TO ADD: McKinney's fluke hand injury in 2022
#12
Big Blue Huddle / Re: The elephant in the room: ...
Last post by BluesCruz - Today at 09:29:23 AMQuote from: Ed Vette on Today at 07:43:04 AMConspiracy Theories: The bastion of the weak minded.
Its 3PM in Germany and I'm feeling a bit faint....maybe I need to get some sugar in me :-)
Anyway since the second shot I can't feel my feet- no joke there...
#13
Big Blue Huddle / Re: PFN ranks the Giants' offe...
Last post by Ed Vette - Today at 09:28:18 AMIf they protect Jones and he has time in the pocket, he will put up top 10-12 QB stats. I'm more optimistic of the Running attack than most of you here although it may be a drop off from Barkley. Can they protect him? They brought in a decent crop of veteran Linemen.
The bottom line is that there will be injuries and that Oline Depth concerns me. And while Jones can win games healthy, he would be foolish as they would to incorporate running plays with him. Jones also folds against good teams and in big moments.
The bottom line is that there will be injuries and that Oline Depth concerns me. And while Jones can win games healthy, he would be foolish as they would to incorporate running plays with him. Jones also folds against good teams and in big moments.
#14
Big Blue Huddle / Re: NFT: NY Rangers 2023 - 202...
Last post by kartanoman - Today at 09:26:24 AMRound two starts tonight!
What kind of game are the Rangers going to throw at the Canes? Will rust from 12 days between games be a factor?
I'm ready to drop the puck now!
Peace!
What kind of game are the Rangers going to throw at the Canes? Will rust from 12 days between games be a factor?
I'm ready to drop the puck now!
Peace!
#15
Big Blue Huddle / Re: NFT: NY Rangers 2023 - 202...
Last post by kartanoman - Today at 09:23:33 AMQuote from: TDToomer on May 02, 2024, 10:53:33 AMThe Isles have about $6 million in cap space for next season with a few RFAs to extend. There will be no big splashes. We don't get a Panarin to fall into our laps like you guys. We need to develop talent but all the prospect rankings say we are near last in the league.
You finally have the right coach to develop your talent. You have the heart to play with the Rangers. You have something brewing.
Lest you forget the tides were turned over 40 years ago.
Peace!
#16
Big Blue Huddle / Re: The elephant in the room: ...
Last post by kartanoman - Today at 09:19:57 AMQuote from: TONKA56 on May 03, 2024, 06:52:07 PMI've shared this before. Pretty great read.
https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2016/08/07/wilderness-years-new-york-giants-1964-1978/
When you scroll to the bottom, try to find these books and read them. I bought many of them years ago and they are insightful and give you a greater appreciation for those folks who made up the Giants in the past: even when it was going bad.
It's easy to cast the absolute whole as bad. But to do so is to throw the baby out with the bath water. So many good players and support staff who were stand-up soldiers during those times. That's why the Super Bowl XXI glory carried over onto them, for their efforts were not in vain.
Peace!
#17
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Schoen defended his no QB ...
Last post by BluesCruz - Today at 09:18:44 AMQuote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 08:32:14 AMMy point was not that Saquon was a perfect player or the best running back in the league - simply that, when healthy, he has generally produced at a high level. 98.8 all-purpose yards per game over the course of his 74 game career, and that actually includes all the games where he was clearly playing at a less than healthy level, ie the entire 2021 season and parts of other seasons when he came back from injuries sooner than expected and took a handful of games to get back to his normal self.
Jones' career numbers are clearly not anywhere near the QB-equivalent level of production that Saquon's are. I think that is plain as day, frankly.
You know I secretly never thought we could sniff a SB with those two in the backfield
Barkley is gone and overpaid Danny is going. Schoen will ease him to the side door this coming off season
There is hope for the future
Schoen likely felt like me but had to placate his boss and bide his time getting rid of them....anyway that's a thought. Im happy with that possible addition by subtraction
#18
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Slayton "should" be back
Last post by Ed Vette - Today at 09:13:19 AMQuote from: Trench on Today at 07:37:20 AMI think Hyatt is better than Slayton today. For some reason they didn't give him reps early and then when they did it was apparent he is a dynamic playmaker.https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?category=receiving&season=2023&seasonType=reg&sort=rec_drops&sortOrder=desc
Slayton is ok but he still unfortunately drops too many passes in key moments.
It will be very interesting to watch the progress of both Slayton and Bellinger this season. Both are key players looking to cement their roles.
Slayton had three drops last season. Double that for double targets and he's among the best in the league.
#19
Big Blue Huddle / Re: PFN ranks the Giants' offe...
Last post by DaveBrown74 - Today at 09:01:39 AMQuote from: madbadger on May 04, 2024, 11:21:09 AMUntil they prove otherwise, yes. The line should be better but it feels like I say that every year. The running backs will be worse. The receivers will be better. If Waller retires the tight ends will be worse and finally the quarterback room will be worse simply because I think Taylor is better than Lock.
I agree that Taylor is better than Lock, but I have to hope that our QB play is better than last year unless we think Jones' 2023 level of play is his norm, which I don't. I'd like to believe 2024 Jones will not only be better than 2023 Jones but will also be better than 2023 Tyrod Taylor and 2023 Tommy DeVito. That's an unbelievably low bar for a $40mm a year 6th year veteran starting QB
#20
Big Blue Huddle / Re: The Giants are expected to...
Last post by DaveBrown74 - Today at 08:36:29 AMQuote from: Stringer Bell on May 04, 2024, 06:10:20 PMThis is my issue. You state it as fact that they received trade offers for him and turned them down, when there is zero evidence that it happened.
Another poster had made the case that the Giants should not have even tried to trade Saquon, whether the opportunity to existed or not. I was addressing that argument. I did not state anything as unequivocal fact. My post was a conditional statement based on what I maintain is a reasonable (albeit not 100% conclusive) assumption.