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Quote from: TDToomer on April 29, 2024, 09:27:33 AMHe's 35 years old. How much does he have left in the tank? He had 7 tackles in 7 games last year.

The Giants could use a part-time veteran DT who can rotate in for some snaps, which I think Joseph is still capable of providing.

A guy not on the list, who I wouldn't mind a reunion-  Linval Joseph

The ones that interest me from this list

OL Dalton Risner
DL Calais Campbell
CB Stephon Gilmore
CB Adoree' Jackson

https://giantswire.usatoday.com/lists/13-free-agents-new-york-giants-could-sign-following-2024-nfl-draft/?taid=662f9d8dce74510001c1459c&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter

https://x.com/BigBlueVCR/status/1784930639206355414

Paul Schwartz tends to publish whatever the Giants wish to be published.  So this commentary in his latest article is likely what the Giants wanted Jones to hear (just indirectly) in my opinion.


It does no one any good to sugarcoat any of this. Jones needs to accept what the Giants tried to do on draft night, use it to fuel his comeback. Show some defiance. Outwardly, Jones does not show much of anything. Inwardly, he must do everything in his power to send a message to the Giants that trying to replace him was foolhardy. The deck might be stacked against him but that does not mean he has no shot.

https://x.com/NYPost_Schwartz/status/1784926790361702467

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on April 29, 2024, 08:49:41 AMI do think Zeke has a bit left in the tank but he's not the superstar he once was. From memory and not looking up the stats I thought he was so-so down the stretch for the Pats.

Agreed, he has gone from an elite RB to one that is a bit above average.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on April 29, 2024, 08:43:47 AMThat depth chart ought to be concerning.

I agree, while the committee approach to RB has minimized the importance of individual RBs, the running game is still an important part of any offense.

Quote from: FL GMAN on April 29, 2024, 08:42:59 AMHow does Nabors compare to OBJ as prospects. Who is higher rated, faster, better hands etc. I'm not saying he is going to be OBJ, just curious as to how they compare coming out of college. They seem to be similar in size.

Both went to LSU, but Nabors was the first LSU WR to have back-to-back thousand-yard seasons.

I think OBJ was a better catcher of the football, while I think Nabors is more explosive and elusive than OBJ.

Quote from: todge on April 28, 2024, 08:56:55 PMIf Neal fails again, they can move Eluemunor to right tackle. I believe it was Baldinger who said "if you can't play right tackle, then you can't play guard either."The responsibilities are different but still complex. We would be asking Neal to learn a new position yikes!

Don't sleep on Aaron Stinnie. He was a solid starter at Guard for Tampa until he hurt his knee in preseason. He could play right Guard with Runyan at left Guard or they could switch the two. In the event of injury, Nelson is a decent swing tackle.


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We have seen a couple of failed tackles perform okay at guard, including Robert Gallery, Ereck Flowers, and Andrus Peat.  Neal played a season of guard in college, so it's not like he has never played there.  Plus the phonebooth nature of the guard spot should minimize his weakness in terms of lack of balance and slow off the snap.

Quote from: Gman329 on April 29, 2024, 08:30:28 AMJust feels like they threw a lot of mediocrity at the problem.  And the spotlight on Neal's struggles somewhat obscured the fact that Schmitz had a subpar, disappointing rookie year.  Are we so sure he'll turn the corner?

JMS was a highly touted prospect prior to the Giants drafting him.  I think it's reasonable to be optimistic in year two under the guidance of better coaching.

https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1784906596839051381


https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/1784896262384263518

Quote from: sjones71 on April 29, 2024, 08:32:49 AMWe'll see how it shakes out, but I think Singletary can carry his own. Tracy is intriguing, but who knows. Gray is largely unknown. I bet we add somebody else, but it's not an overwhelming group. We'll see.

Gray had a quiet/disappointing rookie season.  He was considered a pretty good pick by the Giants.  So, it will be interesting to see how he does his second year.  It's possible Gray was distracted a bit by the returner duty they forced upon him (that he wasn't that good at).   The RB room is pretty full when you consider Corbin, Miller, and Brightwell are also on the roster.

Here is how the offensive roster looks this year vs last year

2024



2023






Objectively, I think that there has been a significant talent upgrade, even if Waller retires, over last season.


By Position:

1)  Quarterback-  a bit less than last season as DJ's injuries may reduce his running ability somewhat.  Lock may be a bit of a downgrade over Taylor, but Lock seems a bit sturdier and is less likely to be injured.

2)  Running Back-  I think this is a wash.  They replaced the lead back model with shadow of his former self, Barkley, being replaced with the three-headed monster of Singletary, Gray, Tracy who are nice complements to each other and should be as productive if not more so than Barkley

3) Wide Receiver-  This is a huge upgrade.  Robinson is a year removed from his ACL, Hyatt has a year under his belt, and the addition of blue-chip prospect Nabers makes this an impressive WR unit compared to last year's unit of Slayton, rookie Hyatt/Campbell, Robinson/Shepard.  There is an improvement of both speed and talent here.

4) Tight End-  Waller never returned to his peak form last season owing to multiple hamstring injuries that started right before the season (plus, he was never a good blocker).  Bellinger seemed to regress somewhat, and Cager didn't bring that much to the field.  Now (assuming Waller retires you have Bellinger and Theo Johnson headlining as two two-way tight ends (my preference) and a more solid depth (at least in terms of blockers) in Manhertz and Stoll, and Cager coming back for another season.

5) O-line-  Last year's line was an utter disaster in so many ways (it improved a bit when Pugh was added midseason).  This year's unit brings plenty of proven NFL veteran linemen.  They may not be elite or good, but they are also not tomato cans (the Daniel Jeremiah term).  Add in a better O-line coach and this could prove to be a serviceable unit rather than the dumpster fire of 2023.

Quote from: Symphony Steve on April 29, 2024, 08:17:54 AMIf ANYONE can unlock Becton's value, it's the Eagles' OL coach Jeff Stoutland.

It seems Becton's biggest issues are staying healthy and effort.  I agree Jeff Stoutland is an excellent O-line coach (and one of the keys to the Eagles success), I am not sure even he can turn things around for this former bust.

I think the Giants have a RB committee that is better than what Saquon brought to the table last season.

You have every down back Singletary

You have short yardage back Gray

You have third down/change of pace back Tracy


That's a pretty good trio.


Add in a hopefully better O-line and WRs whose speed is going to push defenders off the LOS and I think we will see better production in the run game than last year.