Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on May 15, 2024, 12:49:17 PMIf this is true, it's about as good as it gets.

I agree.   The first thing I always look for is the bye.   Ideally you want that at the middle (or later) in the schedule-  check

I look for any killer stretches, I don't see that

Finally (and this is just my preference), I look for a minimum of prime-time games.  At three, that's about as low as one can expect as a Giants fan.

I suspect there will be less griping about this than there was with Peacock (or even Amazon) owing to the popularity and vastly larger Netflix subscriber base.

I will add this:   I think the team is leaning heavily on their new line coach, Carmen Bricillo.  I would have to think Schoen and Daboll talked to Carmen after he reviewed the tape and asked him what he needed to produce an adequate offensive line.  I have to assume the players signed were what he said he needed.  I can't imagine the Giants hired the new O-line coach and left him hanging, telling him he needed to make chicken salad out of chicken poop.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on May 15, 2024, 12:52:32 PMFrom reading through this thread it seems like most are of the opinion that Robinson will not provide much production but will help young WRs with his leadership. 

He had 34 receptions last year for 280 yards.  9 of his catches were for 1st downs, which is something I guess.

Does he play special teams? If not, does this seem similar to having Sterling Shepard on the roster last year? 

Bottom roster spots are usually guys who play STs.

We are a long way from final cut downs, and a lot could happen (including Robinson being cut).

Quote from: LennG on May 15, 2024, 07:32:35 PMWhen I started this thread it was about the OL and, as usual, it has ended up being a referendum on Daniel Jones, like most other threads.

If anyone cares, what about our 'new and impr oved' OL? Is PFF right and do we still have the worst OL in the league or have we made some significant improvements to make it, at least, average?

Len,

At this point, it seems wisest to take a wait-and-see approach.  On the surface, there seems to be more hope than plan.  Still, the Giants added some mid-tier and lower-tier veterans and hopefully upgraded their coaching.  The hope is that it all comes together and the team has an adequate O-line, but it's more than fair to say that it remains to be seen.   It's funny, as you pointed out that this ended up being yet another Daniel Jones thread (as usual, the ones making it about Jones were his critics).  Still, the ironic part is that Schoen and Daboll's futures may not hinge on Daniel Jones as much as they will hinge on the O-line, where Schoen has invested heavy amounts of draft and cap capital with literally nothing to show for it.

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 15, 2024, 01:55:04 PMAnd the beat goes on...

True, there seem to be some fans who think a QB can be in the top 10 playing behind the worst line in the league.  I seriously doubt the NFL coaches and GMs believe that or they wouldn't be spending so much high draft capital and money on offensive linemen if their play didn't have a major impact (or as Jone's critics love to say "make excuses") on a quarterback's play.

That really seems to be the Daniel Jones divide in a nutshell. There are those who believe a quarterback needs at least a mediocre offensive line to function properly (or at least partially offset by the elite receiver(s)), and there seem to be fans who think any consideration of a quarterback's protection is "just making excuses."  Plus I some critics suggest that if Jones can't function behind horrible lines than he needs an elite line or, I have also heard, "he needs to have everything perfect".

https://x.com/justinpenik/status/1790753309722042392?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

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Quote from: Ed Vette on May 15, 2024, 11:15:42 AMWhat did you say about conspiracy theories... "The Bastion of the Weak Minded"??

What's the theory?

Can't wait 


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Quote from: SlotCorner on May 15, 2024, 08:06:17 AMNot a shock after they got marketing rights and announced a draft pick from there.

We went to London in 2022 and it was one of our favorite trips. Everyone we met who wasn't American or British was German. This is going to be crazy.

We are going to try and get tickets.  Tickets for London in 2022 went on sale in late June.

Good points, especially the draft pick

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 15, 2024, 07:44:28 AMIt won't matter if he hasn't learned how to slide or take an Eli dive. He's apparently too rigid of a body or not athletic enough to be able to slide. One of his issues is taking off after the first read. Because he can't read the field past his first read, or hesitates and windows close. Something the apologists and pilot fish are too stubborn or obtuse to accept. Which are the same traits he exhibits.

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 15, 2024, 07:34:39 AMJackson can throw the ball downfield while scrambling and running or from the pocket and not get hurt to the point of losing a massive amount of time. 

Torn ACL, and several neck injuries have resulted in him not protecting himself by sliding or giving himself up. Not being available for 21 games out of 81 or 26%. All of his injuries are not from poor protection but poor judgment, stubbornness and too dumb to learn how to slide. 

I don't remember the first neck injury.   However the second one was a hit in the back because Ezeudu completely wiffed his block.  The ACL was from trying to get out of the pocket because his protection had completely broken down.   DJ actually was trying to get around his unengaged RT to escape the pressure from his left.   

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 14, 2024, 07:46:46 PMHe's paid to throw the ball. Quarterback.

Tell that to MVP QB Lamar Jackson.

Seriously, it's not like officials forced the Giants to punt when DJ's legs pick up a first down.  It's not like officials tell the score keeper to remove that touchdown because DJ ran it in rather than threw it.   Yardage, first downs, and touchdowns all count the same regardless if DJ got them through the air or on the ground.

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 14, 2024, 07:44:42 PMBarkley ran for 84 yards and Jones 34. Against Indy Jones passes for 177 yards. He passed for 135 and 169 yards against Philly. He passed for 300 yards three times that year and two times against Minnesota. Twelve games of 200 yards or less. So no.

How many rushing yards did Jones contribute?