Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 21, 2024, 07:23:59 PMSaying the OL played poorly during OBJ's 3 glory years is distorting the team's history. 

One man's canned answers is another man's documented facts.

No it's your odd obsession to drive home the same point about the OL you make in countless threads. You don't like the OL, we get it.

The offense was terrible before OBJ arrived and then they were top-10 in passing. Everyone watching understood it was OBJ who transformed the offense. You are rewriting history to suggest he was plugged into anything other than a dysfunctional situation.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 21, 2024, 07:22:59 PMPer PFF, the line was comfortably below average (ie bad) in each of Beckham's biggest three years. Phrase it how you like, but it was not good. The point was that an elite receiver can still produce at a high level behind a not good O line, depending on other circumstances. I never made a precise equation to the current line. You inferred that for some reason, even though I clearly said it has been varying degrees of bad since 2012, a statement I firmly stand by.


https://www.pff.com/news/2014-pff-offensive-line-rankings

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-this-season

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-this-season

They literally drafted OBJ because the owner said the offense is broken.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 21, 2024, 07:09:37 PMSee my post above.  The OL was nowhere poor in his 3 glory years.  League rankings of a top 10 and 2 top 5s in fewest sacks allowed.

I guess memories are something else that needs to get fact checked, besides the eye test.

Your obsessive agenda with distorting this team's history aside, this is a thread about Nabers' ability to perform despite the QB quality. It's not a referendum on whether the OL will play as poorly or any better than last season.

They brought in a couple of vets and are hoping for good health from Thomas and growth from JMS. The assumption is the OL will be somewhat better. The question is how Nabers will perform assuming the current QBs play below par. Is he QB proof?

Step away from your canned answers and think about the thread's premise for once.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 21, 2024, 05:02:36 PMOur O line was never good when OBJ was on the Giants. It has been varying degrees of bad since the 2012 season.

Good point. OBJ was lethal for 3+ years regardless of how poorly the OL played.

Quote from: T200 on May 21, 2024, 01:58:44 PMHe was definitely boom or bust but without him, this offense would have been much worse.

I do think the Giants' RB-by-committee will collectively produce more than featuring Barkley.

The goal is to get better than Dallas and Philly. It didn't work out for Barkley here. Players come and go but the goal hasn't changed.

Quote from: T200 on May 21, 2024, 01:43:16 PMKnowing how we are around here, most of them will undoubtedly be after he has a bad game.

Point is, some that say they don't care one way or the other will be the ones initiating the threads... because they actually care.   

I would enjoy watching Saquon languish in Philly, so I'll commit to starting a thread the first time he averages less than 3 yards a carry, which he did in 20% of his starts as a Giant.

Because the rivalry with Philly matters to me, not an aging RB who was sold to us as touched by God but was in reality known as much for his bitcoin advocacy than anything he accomplished on the field.

Quote from: T200 on May 21, 2024, 01:21:17 PMAnticipating all the Barkley threads from the "I don't care" contingent     

Threads stating what? That he's past his prime?

Quote from: BluesCruz on May 21, 2024, 12:53:51 PMI don't know.  Did Pugh retire
Last I heard he intended to bulk up and get ready to rumble in 2024

Guy loves the Giants team and was a coach on the field.  A great confidence boost to an online that looked lost

My sons best friend was a neighbor of Pugh's growing up and had nothing but great things to say about Justin Pugh

That's the problem with Pugh. Great guy but was a terrible player last season. So far he's still on the couch. He may be waiting for another rash of injuries before some team calls him out of desperation. But he's absolutely a great guy. He's the guy you'd invite to the cookout every time.

I voted for 4 but I'm probably somewhere between 4 and 5. I don't dislike the guy, but I don't want his team to do well and I wouldn't mind seeing a few weeks where he goes something like 18 carries for 42 yards. If he went somewhere outside the division I would've probably voted for 3, don't care.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 21, 2024, 09:46:37 AMI was watching some of the podcasts and heated and this was mentioned a few times.

Take the Qb out of it, no matter if it's Jones, Lock, or Devito will Nabers produce regardless of the Qb?

How much?

OROY?

Garrett Wilson went for 1042 yards despite having no one to throw him the ball. So is Nabers that talented that he'll get production no matter what?

The only 2 things holding me back from saying yes is the fact that our offense lacks the deep/intermediate routes that help production and that it seems like no matter what Slayton does his production is always capped at 700 and our 2nd wr at 500.

This is a good topic. I think the Garrett Wilson numbers represent a reasonable floor for Nabers with a bad QB situation. At least I hope that's the case.

Watching Wilson, the talent is undeniable. But he doesn't have the type of impact you want to see from an elite WR (no fault of his own).

I'm hoping Nabers's YAC production will elevate him to the next tier in terms of production and impact.

Justin Pugh did not represent an improvement in personnel. He was terrible on the field, despite his likeable personality. He had a 41.6 PFF grade (compared to 42.4 for Ezeudu who's been a complete disaster).

Pugh was on the couch, played 12 terrible games for the Giants, and is back on the couch where he belongs

Get well soon, MG. We are all rooting for you 🙏🏼

My sister was hit by a car a few years back similar to how you described your experience. She ended up with a broken leg among other injuries. It's a truly scary thing and takes a while to recover from. Take your time with the recovery.

Has Lauletta ever acknowledged that as a 4th round rookie QB, you should probably arrive to work EARLY??... which means leaving for work with plenty of time to spare. The reporting at the time said this kid had an issue arriving late to practice. He knew he was on thin ice, which is why he probably panicked when he was once again running late.

Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 02:24:24 PMAs it relates to context, should we continue to decouple the Offensive Line from the QB performance? From your posts, I get the impression you believe only the QB benefits from the OL, but fail to acknowledge the OL benefits from sound QB play. If the latter is terrible, it can make the OL appear worse than it is, or at the very least make thier jobs more difficult.  I stumbled across the article below a few years back and kept it to test thier conclusions at the end of each year. I highly encourage you read and consider the points made.  To be clear, I'm not suggesting the Giants OL is great, good, or even average. I acknowledge they stink and negatively impact DJ's performance; however, I also acknowledge DJ's shortcomings contribute to a significant portion of his sacks. IMO, they collectively stunk...

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/are-nfl-quarterbacks-responsible-for-sack-quality 

You, me, and a few others have been making this point for years now. It just seems to be too complicated a point for some to wrap their heads around. So we end up seeing all those elementary school level posts as if there are no inputs (other than coaching) to an offensive line's performance.

Are you guys being mean to Daniel Jones again?