Big Blue Huddle

He's Adorees size now

Quote from: katkavage on Today at 05:13:59 AMAgain, I don't agree he should be ranked that low. I have him realistically at 21. Which won't cut it either. His ceiling is 15 or 16.

I think they are just going off pff scores from last year more than anything but I could be wrong.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-quarterback-rankings-all-32-starters-2024-nfl-season

PFFs 7 tier rankings of the 32 Qbs projected to start for their team.

TIER 7: THE HOLDOVERS

29. DANIEL JONES, NEW YORK GIANTS
Jones was the third-ranked quarterback in PFF grade on his own team last year — behind Tyrod Taylor and Tommy DeVito. Jones played in just six games in 2023 and was basically either elite or one of the worst-graded quarterbacks in a given week, with no in-between.

He is a good athlete whose rushing production and ability to escape the pocket have always been a big part of his game. But in four of his five years with the Giants, he has finished with more turnover-worthy plays than big-time throws. His average depth of target has also been low over the past three seasons.

Bottom 3rd
22 Russell Wilson
23 Deshaun Watson
24 Anthony Richardson
25 Bryce Young
26 Jacoby Brissett
27 Jayden Daniels
28 Will Levis
30 Aidan O'Connell
31 Sam Darnold
32 Jared Stidham

In Division:
6 Dak Prescott
9 Jalen Hurts
27 Jayden Daniels

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 21, 2024, 08:11:47 PMI don't think anyone was right or wrong about the RB market.  Part of the free agent value is tied to the positional strength of the draft, especially for a position like RB.  Last year there was a bumper crop of high end RBs to draft.  This year, not so much.

He got overpaid. He's been bottom 3rd analytics wise the past 2 years. The Eagles overpaid for name recognition and what they think he can possibly do with their oline. Because it wasn't for what he's put on the field the past 2 years. His EPA, VOA, and every other offensive metric is ridiculously bad.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-wide-receiver-rankings-top-32-ahead-of-the-2024-nfl-season


25. MALIK NABERS, NEW YORK GIANTS
The second rookie to appear on this list, Malik Nabers brings an exceptional explosive threat to the table. He is extremely fast, sudden as a route runner, and is a big play waiting to happen from the slot or out wide. He gives Daniel Jones the best receiver he has had to throw to thus far in the NFL.

Other Rookies
Harrison Jr 21
Odunze 29

Other Wrs in the Division
CeeDee Lamb 4
AJ Brown rank 5
Devonta Smith 16
Terry Mclaurin 18

OtAs day 2 and I saw Ezeudu was taking snaps at LT and LG and it made me cringe.  I have wanted them to just let the kid learn LG for a full offseason.

 I think @Ed Vette has also been a huge advocate of letting the kid play LG for an entire offseason to see what we actually have and they just wont.

Quote from: Philosophers on May 21, 2024, 05:18:47 PMBut not 85 sacks bad and through the roof pressure rates.

If Nabers gets normal NFL time to run a route, he wins in most cases. 

My real concern is RG. Whoever man's thar spot is between JMS and Neal. Eluemunor has been a significantly better tackle than guard, but I guess he goes to RG, but if we need him for a failed Neal then there is no answer at RG that isn't Stinnie.

I do however think Neal has been injured both his seasons, and from the information coming out recently he was severely injured both his rookie and 2nd year while playing which limited his movement significantly. So hopefully being completely health and having a new oline coach do wonders for him.

Quote from: Painter on May 21, 2024, 12:33:22 PMHaving a vacuous biased agenda hardly depends on beat writer and other media discussions, now does it?

Cheers!

What agenda could possibly served discussing how Nabers will fair as a rookie when you take the qb out of the conversation which I did at the beginning of the post?

Quote from: Philosophers on May 21, 2024, 10:24:06 AMHe's not so special that if the OL only allows a very amount of time before a QB gets hit that he will be effective.  NFL CBs can tie him early for a split second to screw up any effectiveness.  It's about the OL. 

Yeah I think the context in which the question was asked by different guys was asked so in a way to determine how special the beat writers and talking heads think Nabors can be.

Like is he Garrett Wilson or a Larry Fitzgerald who produced regardless of who was around him or does he need that pairing.

As much as a great qb sometimes needs a great Wr to be elite the same can be said for the Wr. Some though produce regardless and I think it's a little premature to even really know at this point before practices have really even started.

Then I guess all the beat writers and guys covering the Giants have an agenda then because they've all been discussing this very question.

I was watching some of the podcasts and heated and this was mentioned a few times.

Take the Qb out of it, no matter if it's Jones, Lock, or Devito will Nabers produce regardless of the Qb?

How much?

OROY?

Garrett Wilson went for 1042 yards despite having no one to throw him the ball. So is Nabers that talented that he'll get production no matter what?

The only 2 things holding me back from saying yes is the fact that our offense lacks the deep/intermediate routes that help production and that it seems like no matter what Slayton does his production is always capped at 700 and our 2nd wr at 500.

He had 4 offers, he could have easily gone elsewhere and still chose the Eagles.

I do know that he was a waste of money. Even in 2022 when he had that first half resurgence and finished as one of the top backs yardage wise his analytics and EPA were bottoms in the league.

I am glad we are no longer paying money for his services and that we are going to a more modern 2-3 cheap backs system so he won't register with me going forward.

Quote from: BluesCruz on May 20, 2024, 05:54:35 PMThey seemed a lot better blocking for Tommy D

Perhaps they raise their game a bit for a decent QB......not a guy afraid to let the ball fly

If you would have done even a simple Google search you would have seen that Devito to 3 times more sacks than Taylor and even more sacks than Jones.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 20, 2024, 05:58:27 PMHow is Creed Humphrey not on this list? Guy is the best or second best center in the league.

He turns 25 before the season starts.

Quote from: Philosophers on May 20, 2024, 05:27:01 PMWhat WR spot does Nabers play primarily?  If he's slot, where does Robinson play?

Who are the 5 OL and do they establish starters early?

Does Theo Johnson become an impact player at TE?

Who gets most reps at 3 tech?

Do Nubin and Philipps become early starters

Nabers, and Wandale were on the field together from what I can tell.

Theo caught a few balls