In their 98-year history, the New York Football Giants have never had a black QB start and win a football game. Until today.
Congrats Tyrod Taylor!!! =D> =D>
You may not be the future at QB for the Giants but you are officially in the history books! 🎉🎉🎉 :nanner: <:-P
I believe Taylor is the only black QB to start more than one game for the Giants, Geno only got one start and that's the entire list.
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I was actually thinking about that today during the game and thought it might be true. Very cool. Good for him. He played great.
Tyrod is outplaying DJ from the perspective that he looks downfield more and his pocket awareness is better. He also does not look nervous.
Just a case of the Backup, outplaying the Starter :hmm:
Congrats to TT.
The Giants looked like a real NFL team yesterday. Mr. Tyrod Taylor earned the right to lead Big Blue into battle against the New Jersey Jets. What looked like a blowout a couple of weeks ago [Giants vs Jets] may well be the game not to miss next week. The Giant's chances will look even better if they can reduce the flags.
Go, Big Blue!
Quote from: T200 on October 22, 2023, 09:00:34 PMIn their 98-year history, the New York Football Giants have never had a black QB start and win a football game. Until today.
Congrats Tyrod Taylor!!! =D> =D>
You may not be the future at QB for the Giants but you are officially in the history books! 🎉🎉🎉 :nanner: <:-P
"and win" Geno Smith; I believe he was the first black QB to start for the Giants.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 23, 2023, 08:13:26 AM"and win" Geno Smith; I believe he was the first black QB to start for the Giants.
Yep. That's the distinction. They will both be good trivia questions.
Why does anyone care what color or race a player is? In my opinion, the Giants started the best player available at QB yesterday. I think this is a poor subject for a thread. Yes, I could see he was black, but no one I was watching the game with said anything about it. This is the type of thing bigots acknowledge.
Quote from: Philosophers on October 22, 2023, 10:57:29 PMTyrod is outplaying DJ from the perspective that he looks downfield more and his pocket awareness is better. He also does not look nervous.
Phil: As fans, we can't really know that.
We don't know what Jones would have done, whether he would have won or lost, the game plan, how the game plan differed from the other game plans, or how the game plan would have differed if Jones had been the starting QB.
But over all, although I don't particularly like him (never have), I thought Taylor played very well against a team that probably feels the same way about the Giants as the Giants do about the Eagles (tired of losing).
Bob
Quote from: Giant Jim on October 23, 2023, 09:59:08 AMWhy does anyone care what color or race a player is? In my opinion, the Giants started the best player available at QB yesterday. I think this is a poor subject for a thread. Yes, I could see he was black, but no one I was watching the game with said anything about it. This is the type of thing bigots acknowledge.
I can vouch for Tim. He's not a bigot. I also don't think the owners are. Some of their fan base... different story.
It's a business.
Acknowledging someone for breaking a color barrier whether it is for a team or an entire sport does not make anyone a bigot.
Quote from: Giant Jim on October 23, 2023, 09:59:08 AMWhy does anyone care what color or race a player is? In my opinion, the Giants started the best player available at QB yesterday. I think this is a poor subject for a thread. Yes, I could see he was black, but no one I was watching the game with said anything about it. This is the type of thing bigots acknowledge.
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Definitely didn't want it to come off that way. It was a milestone accomplishment for Tyrod and African Americans who are fans of the sport, and for the Giants as well.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 23, 2023, 10:14:13 AMI can vouch for Tim. He's not a bigot. I also don't think the owners are. Some of their fan base... different story.
It's a business.
Thanks Ed.
Quote from: T200 on October 22, 2023, 09:00:34 PMIn their 98-year history, the New York Football Giants have never had a black QB start and win a football game. Until today.
Congrats Tyrod Taylor!!! =D> =D>
You may not be the future at QB for the Giants but you are officially in the history books! 🎉🎉🎉 :nanner: <:-P
Tim: Not to diminish your point, but just want to add all Giants' QB's wear the same color helmets. Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on October 23, 2023, 10:25:04 AMTim: Not to diminish your point, but just want to add all Giants' QB's wear the same color helmets. Bob
And when a female kicker makes it on to an NFL team, that's cause for celebration too.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 23, 2023, 10:16:01 AMAcknowledging someone for breaking a color barrier whether it is for a team or an entire sport does not make anyone a bigot.
Unfortunately, I was expecting that kind of post. What a privilege it is to not have to care about skin color.
Quote from: Giant Jim on October 23, 2023, 09:59:08 AMWhy does anyone care what color or race a player is? In my opinion, the Giants started the best player available at QB yesterday. I think this is a poor subject for a thread. Yes, I could see he was black, but no one I was watching the game with said anything about it. This is the type of thing bigots acknowledge.
Jim,
I see you're from NJ. October is Italian Heritage Month in NJ. There are many parades and festivals honoring Italian heritage and accomplishments throughout the state. Are the people participating in those events bigoted? (I don't think so, but I wanted to show this comparison.)
The Giants were created back in 1925. It took 98 years for the Giants to start and win with a black QB. Don't you think objectively that can be considered a historic accomplishment and one worthy of recognition? If we can honor and remember the accomplishments of Italian Americans, can we not do the same for Americans who are black?
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 23, 2023, 12:12:20 PMJim,
I see you're from NJ. October is Italian Heritage Month in NJ. There are many parades and festivals honoring Italian heritage and accomplishments throughout the state. Are the people participating in those events bigoted? (I don't think so, but I wanted to show this comparison.)
The Giants were created back in 1925. It took 98 years for the Giants to start and win with a black QB. Don't you think objectively that can be considered a historic accomplishment and one worthy of recognition? If we can honor and remember the accomplishments of Italian Americans, can we not do the same for Americans who are black?
I do, but what do I know...
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 23, 2023, 12:27:52 PMI do, but what do I know...
Ed: I only saw the picture but IMMEDIATELY knew the author of the post. LOL
98 year history? That makes it sound like the Giants ownership are bigots. No blacks were allowed to play in the 20's and 30's on any team. Eli Manning stood in the way of black QB's potentially starting games for the Giants for about 15 years, in fact he stood in the way of Jews, Hispanics and other white people starting for the Giants. They have had many, many black assistant coaches and a black GM. There have been black QB's all over the NFL for years now, why is this any different or special? This is why racism doesn't go away, because people have to point it petty little things like this.
Jason Sehorn was asked years ago what it was like to be a white guy playing a position played mostly by blacks? That wasn't a racial question? If one can't help but acknowledge that it's the first time a black did this or a woman was elected there, etc, you're not just pointing out that prejudge was rectified, you're pointing out it was there all along.
The question and what should be pointed out is, "Should the Giants back up QB continue to start when their regular starter comes back?". I don't think race will have anything to do with the choice. The story is the back up played a couple of very good games and now has the press and fans calling for him to have the starting job.
I don't see why acknowledging race milestones points to bigotry on the part of the one acknowledging them, but that's just me.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 23, 2023, 12:12:20 PMJim,
I see you're from NJ. October is Italian Heritage Month in NJ. There are many parades and festivals honoring Italian heritage and accomplishments throughout the state. Are the people participating in those events bigoted? (I don't think so, but I wanted to show this comparison.)
The Giants were created back in 1925. It took 98 years for the Giants to start and win with a black QB. Don't you think objectively that can be considered a historic accomplishment and one worthy of recognition? If we can honor and remember the accomplishments of Italian Americans, can we not do the same for Americans who are black?
You're comparing apples to oranges. Blacks have their months and various nationalities have their festivals. How many Italians have played QB for the Giants? No one's going to care what nationality Tommy Devito is if he gets a chance.
Let's honor people as athletes, period. Taylor's accomplishment has absolutely nothing to do with his color or heritage. This might've been a story on the 60's or 70's, but not today. Did the Giants ever have a black kicker. Will there be a thread the next time they do? How about a Jewish center or long snapper?
Quote from: Giant Jim on October 23, 2023, 01:14:13 PMYou're comparing apples to oranges. Blacks have their months and various nationalities have their festivals. How many Italians have played QB for the Giants? No one's going to care what nationality Tommy Devito is if he gets a chance.
Let's honor people as athletes, period. Taylor's accomplishment has absolutely nothing to do with his color or heritage. This might've been a story on the 60's or 70's, but not today. Did the Giants ever have a black kicker. Will there be a thread the next time they do? How about a Jewish center or long snapper?
Let's recall not too long ago - during the lifetimes of most of the posters in this forum - black people were considered by many to be too intellectually deficient to play the position. So it is a milestone worth noting.
Quote from: AYM on October 23, 2023, 01:27:59 PMLet's recall not too long ago - during the lifetimes of most of the posters in this forum - black people were considered by many to be too intellectually deficient to play the position. So it is a milestone worth noting.
Do they still feel that way? Times have changed and we need to move on, not dwell on the past.
I think context is important on this one. And the context is different for QBs than other positions.
Yes their have been plenty of black players since the barrier was broken, but there was always a holdout on black QBs because of a ridiculous belief that they could not handle the mental aspect of the game. That barrier wasn't really broken until the 80's (I think) and then only sparsely.
Heck prior to getting the Steelers HC job, Mike Tomlin interviewed for that position for a different team. Owner told people he thought Tomlin was too "soul". That wasn't the 80's, the 70's or even the 60's, it was early 2000's.
I can definitely understand wanting to note this.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 23, 2023, 10:16:01 AMAcknowledging someone for breaking a color barrier whether it is for a team or an entire sport does not make anyone a bigot.
I didn't know there was a color barrier today or with the Giants.
That's something, I guess. I am more excited about us winning another game! And I am grateful to Taylor for being a part of it. <:-P