Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 07:23:39 AMOnce Maye was off the table, I think Alt was the guy. Although I don't think they ever had serious intentions of trading the farm for Maye.

That would have ruined the draft for me. As much as I want to have the offensive line fixed, I think we have enough pieces already to see a significant improvement. It would have been putting all the eggs in the same basket.

I got one foot in the "Cautiously Optimistic" lane and the other in the "I'll Believe It When I See It" lane.

For me, it all hinges on Bricillo and what he can do with his guys up front. My second area of concern/interest is the running game. I don't picture a drastic fall off in production collectively from previous seasons. I actually think as a group, the production will be significantly better.

Quote from: LennG on April 29, 2024, 12:16:05 PMI was going to start another thread on a thought I had, but let's run it hear.

Many people have said and it is true, that Eli started out very poorly also. Thinking, about what really helped Eli become a much better QB, Plax and his ability to catch all the misguided passes that Eli threw to him. I'm sure there were many, but mostly I remember Plax using all his 6'whatever frame and arms to haul in many passes that were overthrown, underthrown, etc. Could Nabers be the Palx for Jones?
Most know and I won't deny it, I would like anyone other than Jones to be our QB, but he is our QB and I would never root for him to fail. If Nabers can do for Jones what Palx did for Eli, maybe there is hope out there.

Very good perspective, Len. I know you wouldn't root for him to fail.

But call me and tell me your REAL thoughts! 

I also want to see Jones healthy first, and then playing lights out. Quite honestly, I'm hopeful that he plays well but not very optimistic. Like you, I will be rooting for him to prove me wrong.

Quote from: katkavage on April 29, 2024, 11:02:17 AMSchoen is on the line with the QB as well. They are tied together (even though he never drafted him). If it goes bad for Jones, it reflects poorly on Schoen. While if it goes very good for him, Schoen shines.

I partially agree, mostly because he did ultimately give him the contract. However, I think Mara was behind it. I think Schoen would have been OK letting Jones test the market and come back with a "match it" opportunity. Because Mara wanted to keep Jones, the compromise was the 2-year out.

I don't think there is one fan who believes Schoen is all-in on Jones. I don't think the stink will be on Schoen if Jones doesn't live up to the expectations, whatever they may be. If nothing else, the cries for a new QB will be even louder.

Quote from: kingm56 on April 29, 2024, 10:49:01 AMWhy do said tweets need to be an explicit message from the team?  IMO, they represent nothing more than common sense based on facts. 

It's well known the Giants attempted to trade up for Drake; it's also well known DJs contract has an escape clause after this season. It should also be known DJ hasn't been very good and/or healthy. Thus, do we/Dj need a message from the team that states the obvious?

Actions > words

Quote from: Gman329 on April 29, 2024, 08:30:28 AMJust feels like they threw a lot of mediocrity at the problem.  And the spotlight on Neal's struggles somewhat obscured the fact that Schmitz had a subpar, disappointing rookie year.  Are we so sure he'll turn the corner?

I think we're more hopeful than sure. At this point, it's all we have to look forward to. If we don't have hope, what's the point?

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 29, 2024, 08:19:21 AMI think the Giants have a RB committee that is better than what Saquon brought to the table last season.

You have every down back Singletary

You have short yardage back Gray

You have third down/change of pace back Tracy


That's a pretty good trio.


Add in a hopefully better O-line and WRs whose speed is going to push defenders off the LOS and I think we will see better production in the run game than last year.

100% all of this.

If they could have made a deal with the Pats, you bet your sweet bippy they would have taken Maye. No way they're making a deal to pick a receiver.

But I will also say this to folks who were against "losing on purpose" in order to preserve a top-3 position for the draft. You can't complain about not getting a QB this year when you wanted to get wins late in the season. Can't have both.

Quote from: kingm56 on April 26, 2024, 02:25:59 PMHas Slugs/Paul been around?  I hope Dan is well...he's a class act.

Not since the end of March.

Quote from: Bob In PA on April 26, 2024, 01:49:21 PMking: Thanks for reminding me. Haven't heard from him recently. @LennG or @T200 or anyone else... have you? Bob

I have not. He hasn't been on since early March.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2024, 09:15:49 AMTim,

Did you expect Jones to be somewhere other than at the bottom of the list for deep throws when he had historically bad protection and poor receivers?   That is why I answered a question with a question.  The subtext of your question is that Jones should be held responsible for the historically bad support he received last season.

That's what you're reading into it, Rich.

What is Jones responsible for? Aren't his stats attributable to him and not his offensive line?

Quote from: y_so_blu on April 26, 2024, 09:07:40 AMWe needed a quarterback more than we needed a wide receiver. One of my favorite quarterback prospects fell into our lap at #6 and we didn't take him.

So let me check... no. No, I am not waking up happy.

JJ himself said he spent the most time with the Giants than any other team he interviewed with. That tells me two things:

1) Schoen and company did their due diligence on JJ.
2) Schoen and company did not feel, in all the time they spent with the kid, that he is what the Giants needed at #6.

I'm completely fine with that. I wanted a QB as well but I did not want to grab one just to grab one. I believe Schoen and Daboll wanted one as well. It just wasn't McCarthy.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2024, 09:06:14 AMDidn't Jones have PFF last-place protection and receiving last season?

You're answering a question with a question. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2024, 08:59:27 AMTim,

I have been a cyclist all my life.  Cyclists are all about making their bikes as light as possible.  Yet the harsh reality is there is no single component that can magically eliminate all the desired weight.  It's take the kickstand away for a few ounces, a different frame, maybe a pound or two, eliminate the peddles a few more ounces, and so on and so on.

To me, that is similar to NFL team building.  An NFL team has 22 starters and many more key role players.  So the addition of a single player is highly unlikely to "move the needle."  What moves the needle is methodically adding quality players (especially in the trenches) over a period of time with a quality coaching staff and culture in place.

As for Jones not being able to "get him the ball," that is more myth (thanks to the BBH echo chamber) than reality.

It's still one player.

Wasn't Jones near the bottom of the stat sheet in throws over 20 yards? How exactly is that an echo chamber when the numbers (and watching eyes) bear it out?

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2024, 07:51:48 AMTeam building is about increasing the team's overall talent level, ideally at key positions.  It's not about just one player, even QB.

How do you separate the talent from the player? As talented as Nabers is, he is still one player.

I'm onboard with the pick because I trust Schoen and Daboll still. I'm a little doubtful that this pick will move the offensive needle much.

My concern is that as a rookie, they are chomping at the bit to make an impact. They want to get the ball in their hands to showcase their skills. If Jones is skittish in the pocket and can't/won't deliver the ball to him and the other receivers, frustration and demotivation will set in.

If Jones can't get him the ball, Nabers will be the equivalent of a Ferrari sitting in the garage.