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Quote from: Rambo89 on December 23, 2022, 05:48:48 AMNot true there are a select few who believe Jones is the long term answer that the Giants just need to get him WRs.

I could be wrong but I thought it was more of not dismissing the possibility of him being the long term answer without first giving him reliable receivers.

Either way, it's approaching midnight and we're going to find out Schoen's decision soon enough. Sadly, it will just trigger a new round of Jones debates.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 23, 2022, 07:48:21 AMIt's not skewed.  Time in the pocket is just that it's not time from the snap until he throws.

It's not "time in the pocket"; it's "time to throw".   TTT is defined as the average Time to Throw on all dropbacks

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 23, 2022, 06:03:57 AMLooking strictly at raw sacks without considering time to throw is literally going halfway down the path towards reality. Jones sits in the pocket longer than any other QB in the league. Obviously it's all the receivers' fault though and can't possibly have anything to do with processing speed, pre-snap read capability, or field vision.

Jones is middle of the pack in pocket time. Justin Fields leads the league at 2.7 seconds. Jones pocket time is 2.5 seconds along with 9 others. The least amount of pocket time is 2.3 seconds.

Bill

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 23, 2022, 06:03:57 AMLooking strictly at raw sacks without considering time to throw is literally going halfway down the path towards reality. Jones sits in the pocket longer than any other QB in the league. Obviously it's all the receivers' fault though and can't possibly have anything to do with processing speed, pre-snap read capability, or field vision.

I listen to as many former GMs, head coaches, and other NFL people as I possibly can.  I also seek out non-NFL football with strong expertise.  I do that, so I can continue to learn all I can about football.   One thing that is striking is the metric time to throw.  It's a PFF stat, and it's talked about much here on this forum and to a significantly lesser degree in NFL social media.

Here is what is striking.  I don't hear NFL people talk about time to throw.  I don't hear experts like Greg Cossell or Nick Falato talk about time to throw.  If time to throw was such a quality measure that was worthy of consideration, why hasn't the NFL or people who know football really well adopted it?

https://twitter.com/ShannonSharpe/status/1595928496496574464

I had an opportunity to re-watch the Dallas and Philadelphia games, and compared them to the last Washington game.

The Giants offensive line was completely manhandled by the Cowboys and Eagles defensive line.

Barkley only rushed for 3.1 and 3.5 ypc in both games, and had nowhere to run.

DJ was under tremendous pressure and his time to throw was significantly reduced.

In the last Washington game the Giants offensive line was much stronger and provided some holes for Barkley to run through as his ypc jumped to 4.8.

We can support or criticize DJ all we want but if the Giants offensive line gets manhandled again by Dallas and Philadelphia it really isn't going to matter.

A big part of winning takes place down in the trenches

Quote from: TrueBlueFan on December 23, 2022, 08:22:51 AMhttps://twitter.com/ShannonSharpe/status/1595928496496574464

I am curious, did you post this because you consider Shannon Sharpe an expert on football and you respect his views and opinions or did you post it because his opinions match your own?

I have noticed a major change in the beat writers' views on DJ.   For most of the season, they have pretty much been on the fence or really not dove into the whole does DJ stay or go debate.  Yet the last couple of weeks, I have been noticing a change.  Many of them are now publishing stories suggesting Jones will likely be back or has won the right to be back.   Here is a sample of the articles I am seeing


How Daniel Jones is winning over the Giants ... and earning a chance to stay
At the beginning of the year it seemed unlikely Jones would get the chance to stay beyond this year ... now, it seems unlikely the Giants will choose to move on

By Ed Valentine

https://www.bigblueview.com/2022/12/23/23522332/how-daniel-jones-is-winning-over-the-giants-and-earning-a-chance-to-stay

Quote from: T200 on December 23, 2022, 07:53:22 AMEither way, it's approaching midnight and we're going to find out Schoen's decision soon enough. Sadly, it will just trigger a new round of Jones debates.

That is going to be make some popcorn and get ready to read stuff!

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 23, 2022, 08:44:24 AMI am curious, did you post this because you consider Shannon Sharpe an expert on football and you respect his views and opinions or did you post it because his opinions match your own?

I don't view him as an expert on things, he is more entertaining to me than anything.

Sure, it summarizes my views on him in a short sentence rather than the constant back and forth. Do you not also post things that align with your views and opinions as well?

I think JAG perfectly describes what Daniel is, not good, not bad, just somewhere in the middle, you can do better, and you can also do worse. He can maybe keep a ship from sinking, but he isn't gonna steer it to the promised land either.

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 23, 2022, 08:47:42 AMI have noticed a major change in the beat writers' views on DJ.   For most of the season, they have pretty much been on the fence or really not dove into the whole does DJ stay or go debate.  Yet the last couple of weeks, I have been noticing a change.  Many of them are not publishing stories suggesting Jones will likely be back or has won the right to be back.   Here is a sample of the articles I am seeing


How Daniel Jones is winning over the Giants ... and earning a chance to stay
At the beginning of the year it seemed unlikely Jones would get the chance to stay beyond this year ... now, it seems unlikely the Giants will choose to move on

By Ed Valentine

https://www.bigblueview.com/2022/12/23/23522332/how-daniel-jones-is-winning-over-the-giants-and-earning-a-chance-to-stay

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks or doesn't thinks.

These beat writers have zero influence if he stays or goes. JS & Dabs will decide that, the reports both for and against, are in no place to determine how likely something is to happen. The ones that are, will make that call, within the next couple of months. They don't care what side of it we are all on, they are on the side they are and will act accordingly. Some of us will like it, some of us won't, we will see what is what soon enough.

Quote from: TrueBlueFan on December 23, 2022, 08:54:23 AMAt the end of the day, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks or doesn't thinks.

These beat writers have zero influence if he stays or goes. JS & Dabs will decide that, the reports both for and against, are in no place to determine how likely something is to happen. The ones that are, will make that call, within the next couple of months. They don't care what side of it we are all on, they are on the side they are and will act accordingly. Some of us will like it, some of us won't, we will see what is what soon enough.

Exactly!

500 posts and pages of debate here also have ZERO influence on what happens.

JS and Dabs will make the call and then 1/2 will bitch and 1/2 will gloat

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 23, 2022, 08:50:53 AMThat is going to be make some popcorn and get ready to read stuff!

I may have to take a Moderator Holiday just so I can enjoy it!!!     

Quote from: T200 on December 23, 2022, 09:03:19 AMI may have to take a Moderator Holiday just so I can enjoy it!!!     

   

I'll fill in for ya!!! 🤣🤣

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 23, 2022, 08:59:22 AMExactly!

500 posts and pages of debate here also have ZERO influence on what happens.

JS and Dabs will make the call and then 1/2 will bitch and 1/2 will gloat

This 100%, if DJ stays, I won't like it, but I will hope for the best, and hope I am wrong. In that scenario hopefully it isn't a contract that screws them for many years like what Denver is dealing with.