Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 07:10:57 AMThis! it's not just who a team loses but who the team signs. That's why the Giants would have been far better-served trading Saquan and McKinney last season at the deadline than letting them walk.
Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 09:29:57 AMExpectations by whom?
Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 08:46:22 AMYes, but it's frustrating to hear fans talk like Jones has been put in a normal NFL QB situation. Jones has had shortcomings; like any QB (potentially more), Jones has shortcomings. It's just frustrating that some fans seem not to acknowledge the terrible (and it's really been some of the worst in the NFL) support he has received in his NFL career.
Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 09:27:27 AMThe better question: How can you have a quality conversation when the opposing viewpoint reframes aggregate responses to benefit thier position? Pray Tell, show me where the "Jones Critics" dismissed his 'brilliance.' Indeed, DJ's had some wonderful games/movements. However, that's not the majority point. The point was, and still is, a lot of professional QBs have moments of brilliance, especially QBs with 60 starts. However, you chose to completely ignore that point, presumably because you don't have a good response; thus, you simply reframed the oppositions' position to give yourself the moral and intellectual high-ground.
Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 09:20:35 AMMatt,
I am confused. The expectation for the Eagles (and this seemed to be a strong consensus) was that they would be returning to the Super Bowl. How does putting up 11 wins (and making the playoffs) while suffering an embarrassing end-of-season loss to the Giants and immediately getting booted from the playoffs in a butt-kicking by the Bucs suggest the Eagles met expectations?
Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 09:15:46 AMThis comment sort of reflects the issue with discussing Jones. Uncle Mickey had "showed flashes of brilliance" as a part of an argument. The Jones critics focused on that part of the argument and first claimed Jones never showed brilliance. Then, when you show historic accomplishments that any reasonable person would say was a flash of brilliance, the goalposts were moved, and it was claimed failed QBs had shown flashes of brilliance (not sure what that even means in context to UM's original point). Finally, we have an entire point Uncle Mickey made thrown out, and it's declared the point that Jones has shown flashes of brilliance is now the entire argument, and clearly, that argument is a "bad one."
How can there be quality conversation in conditions like that?
Quote from: AYM on Today at 09:23:41 AMThey replaced Dan Quinn with Mike Zimmer who is probably just as good a DC.
Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 08:54:51 AM@DaveBrown74 and @kingm56
Remember last year when everyone ignored the Eagles' losing both their OC and DC and predicted a repeated trip to the Super Bowl? The Cowboys lost their very talented DC this past offseason (along with a number of veteran starters). Those sorts of losses tend to go under the radar but are often the most impactful.
Quote from: nb587 on May 03, 2024, 04:48:41 PMBingo. It's scary what the Giants would have been like if George Young never came. And, Wellington would never have hired him if he wasn't forced to.
Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 09:07:19 AMYet, they still won 11 games and made the playoffs. This place went crazy when we won 9 games; so, I don't see 11 wins as a failure, despite how they finished.
If OC/DC were the primary issue, they would have struggled out the gate as players were learning the new systems; however, the reverse happened. Even good teams go through spells; it happens all the time. Regardless, I suspect they'll win double-digit games again this season, but will wait until Aug to make any real predictions.