In light of the CDC's new guidelines I have attached them, how much are you going to go back to doing and how much are you going to give up mask-wearing?
(https://i.imgur.com/nhfKhgA.jpg)
I have been visiting all of my offices and working as usual since January.
I am fully vaccinated but I continue to social space and wear a mask to help model the way. We don
I am fully vaccinated but will continue to wear my mask and distance myself.
I am torn, myself. I mean there is a thread talking about the 7 vaccinated Yankees positive for Covid (now 8) and yet the CDC is telling us we can return to normal. I am having a hard time wrapping my head around this, don't worry be happy, approach
I will wear it in stores and anywhere there is a lot of people. Meanwhile the ones who refuse the vaccine and the mask will spread it among themselves. Their choice, their life.
Btw, I carry a copy of my vaccine card in my wallet. It's laminated but don't laminate the original card because we may need booster shots at some point and it would need to be documented on the original card. I think someday we all will need to carry a medical ID.
I will continue to wear the mask in stores and on trains and in closed places (with the exception of visits with others who are double vaxxed). Outside I don't wear a mask anymore (maybe if I'm in a mob I would). I didn't wear one last summer. I think the data is pretty clear that the chances of getting Covid outdoors without a mask are very very slim. There are other dangers to worry about.
Didn't the CDC issue new guidelines stating that the mask and social distancing are unnecessary.
Quote from: FL GMAN on May 14, 2021, 11:45:36 AM
Didn't the CDC issue new guidelines stating that the mask and social distancing are unnecessary.
The picture in the first post is the new CDC guidelines.
For vaccinated people the CDC is pretty much saying you don't need a mask or to social distance under most normal situations. I understand taking mass transit and some healthcare settings are the exception and I believe high risk individuals as well
Ok thanks.
I only wear a mask if mandated by a business. Not outside any time. I had covid. I have been vaccinated. If you believe the vaccine is effective than there should be no fear of getting it again. I am fine if everyone wants to wear a mask.
Bill
I thought Biden didnt want America to unmask until the 4th of July....oh yea, well his economy is tanking so suddenly the science has shifted and you can trust that. He now has to undo the months and months of fear mongering coming from his side of the isle. Lying politicians can turn on a dime but the Left can't...they value their street cred too much. Now they're calling the CDC and Fauci liars.
The left cant stop contradicting themselves because their ideology is based on a very soft and mushy substance as its foundation.
This what happens when you stay with all these political threads on the Front Porch. Here is a thread that has NO political mention, yet because politics are allowed here, it is open season on every thread.
Says the guy who wrote that he wasn't trying to be political and also we gotta find a way to take guns out of the hands of these gunowners in the same thread.
Fauci says don't castigate those who want to still wear their masks outdoors. Meanwhile those who didnt wear their masks outdoors were castigated by people dressed like the grim reaper.
The hypocrisy.
Quote from: LennG on May 14, 2021, 07:09:54 PM
This what happens when you stay with all these political threads on the Front Porch. Here is a thread that has NO political mention, yet because politics are allowed here, it is open season on every thread.
I actually agree with you, Len. I also think we should be allowed to have these current events-type non-political threads. The problem is how do you deal with the posters who lack self-control or respect for the rest of the forum? I mean there is always going to be someone that feels the need to parrot what they heard on FOX News last night. It's a shame really because this thread was going pretty well.
To try and get this thread back on track, my boss (who is a health officer and epidemiologist, told me she was impressed by this commentary by another epi
QuoteZach Binney is a sports epidemiologist and assistant professor of quantitative theory and methods at Oxford College of Emory University. Thursday on Twitter, he tried to explain what
Covid became politicized the moment Trump tried to ban travel from China and was called a racist for doing so. First shot always comes from the Left so don't complain when a political thread is political.
Quote from: jimmyz on May 14, 2021, 07:39:49 PM
Covid became politicized the moment Trump tried to ban travel from China and was called a racist for doing so. First shot always comes from the Left so don't complain when a political thread is political.
Jimmy,
You are normally a kind intelligent man and a good football fan and your posts are thoughtful well received. As soon as things turn to politics you turn into an ugly rage monster (one could almost imagine the spital flying from your mouth as you angrily pound away at your keyboard). You feel compelled to spew your toxic hate-based politics on threads like this that are not even political (like this one). As I told you before, you should avoid politics. It's not good for you. All that anger and hate that the topic of politics generates in you is not good for you emotionally or physically. You can't control what will happen in Washington, but you can control your reaction to what happens.
Stop focusing on why you hate your fellow Americans and start thinking about things we have in common like all being fans of the Giants. All you ended up doing on this thread, is annoy everyone on this that wanted to talk about the masking and social distancing change and embarrass yourself. Is that really want you want? Take it from a friend, I noticed if I tuned into MSNBC many times I would get angry and upset listening to Morning Joe on my ride in. My solution was to turn it off. Life is too short to ruin it with angry, hate, and outrage.
Here is a Harvard Epidemiologist with a different take than the other article I posted
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1393090966928637952.html
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 15, 2021, 07:12:31 AM
Here is a Harvard Epidemiologist with a different take than the other article I posted
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1393090966928637952.html
I respect the scientists, but these epidemiologists are risk-averse in general. We cannot let them make policy. They can offer their advice and then so many other factors need to be taken into consideration when policy is made. We have other risks and dangers that are the collateral damage from restrictions to prevent the disease. All must be taken into account. We will never get to 100 percent vaccinations. Nor will we ever get to a full mask restriction. We have to move on sensibly. The world needs to move forward with common sense. Not hysteria on both sides.
Quote from: katkavage on May 15, 2021, 11:26:16 AM
I respect the scientists, but these epidemiologists are risk-averse in general. We cannot let them make policy. They can offer their advice and then so many other factors need to be taken into consideration when policy is made. We have other risks and dangers that are the collateral damage from restrictions to prevent the disease. All must be taken into account. We will never get to 100 percent vaccinations. Nor will we ever get to a full mask restriction. We have to move on sensibly. The world needs to move forward with common sense. Not hysteria on both sides.
I tried to present both sides of the issue (the article on the Yankee's cases and this article. I think it's time to start opening back up more. I just personally think it might be a bit too fast especially with all the variants out there. At this point I would not fault those that embrace the CDC guidelines and their newfound freedoms or those that opt to be more careful. I will be less thrilled with those that skip the vaccine and go around behaving as they got it.
I will add that I suspect the CDC is using this new ruling as a bit of a carrot
I'm fully vaccinated but, will wear a KN95 mask and go about like we're still on high alert. This is part of life now and forever.
I am finding it on a personal level difficult to deescalate. I mean I spent a year ingraining habits that prevented me from contracting Covid. Just turning off that switch is not easy. I went to the grocery store this morning. I was thinking of down stepping to a surgical mask when I went into the store, but I opted to say with my trusty KN-95. I am just not sure how many of those who skipped the vaccine are going to be going around acting like they are vaccinated. I know the vaccine is 80% or 90% effective, but it still feels like a needless risk to test its effectiveness when I don't have to.
I got the J&J in early March but I'm still going to wear the mask for now while indoors in places like grocery stores, etc. I was at an outdoor party yesterday. Because it was outdoors, on a 12 acre property, I did not wear my mask.
On a side note, a friend of mine, who was fully vaccinated (Moderna) by mid-April, just found out she now has Covid. She lost her sense of smell and taste for a couple days, but it's back now. She feels a bit run down, but otherwise ok. She is immunocompromised, on a kidney transplant list, so perhaps that played into it.
As most know I still umpire High School baseball. They have finally started playing ball with some strict guidelines to follow like all players have to wear masks on the field, as well as coaches and umpires. So now the CDC says we really don't have to and that has thrown a real monkey wrench into the situation. I have been vaccinated almost right from the get-go yet I still wear my mask most of the time. Today I had a game where NO ONE except myself and my partner was wearing masks, on or off the field. We decided since we haven't been given any different guidelines, that we should continue to wear the mask until we are told not to. Wearing the mask on the field is a real pain as just from breathing hard it gets damp yet we are still wearing it.
Eventually, we will probably stop wearing them outside as well as in, but until we are so sure that it is really safe, that's the way we will proceed.
Quote from: LennG on May 17, 2021, 08:49:33 PM
As most know I still umpire High School baseball. They have finally started playing ball with some strict guidelines to follow like all players have to wear masks on the field, as well as coaches and umpires. So now the CDC says we really don't have to and that has thrown a real monkey wrench into the situation. I have been vaccinated almost right from the get-go yet I still wear my mask most of the time. Today I had a game where NO ONE except myself and my partner was wearing masks, on or off the field. We decided since we haven't been given any different guidelines, that we should continue to wear the mask until we are told not to. Wearing the mask on the field is a real pain as just from breathing hard it gets damp yet we are still wearing it.
Eventually, we will probably stop wearing them outside as well as in, but until we are so sure that it is really safe, that's the way we will proceed.
For what it's worth, you are likely to be safe outside doing your umpire duties. You have some distance and outside is much safer than inside. Odds are slim of getting infected and even on the outside chance you get infected odds are even slimmer of you getting sick.
You choice, but you certainly could stop wearing one if you feel comfortable.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 18, 2021, 08:10:28 AM
For what it's worth, you are likely to be safe outside doing your umpire duties. You have some distance and outside is much safer than inside. Odds are slim of getting infected and even on the outside chance you get infected odds are even slimmer of you getting sick.
You choice, but you certainly could stop wearing one if you feel comfortable.
As far as we know, that state mandate says to wear masks for sporting events, yet now they change in mid season and we haven't gotten any word to change. I have written to the state chairman about this but have yet to hear from them,
AND, we work as a team, so what if we do remove our masks and then most other umpires do not. It has to be a consensus of the entire group and not an individual choice. I even asked my partner yesterday about not wearing masks as we are both vaccinated and he reiterated just what I said, we still have to follow the guidelines until we are informed we don't have to.
I agree with you, we should not need them, but every state is moving in their own direction and at their own speed. That is the real problem.
I quit wearing a mask the last few days. Got vaxed (J&J) a month ago. I carry a mask in case the front door mandates wearing a mask and then I put it on.
I'm curious if attitudes on this have changed at all in the past couple of weeks.
Here in NJ last Friday the lifted mask-wearing in stores. I wore a surgical mask in the supermarket Monday and this morning and I was part of an overwhelming majority
I am being less cautious but I am not abandoning mask-wearing, not just yet. I have a close friend who is a health officer. We spoke last night about the new standards. She hasn't been vaccinated and she was saying the unvaccinated are "encouraged" to keep wearing masks. However, the actual rules being put into place requiring the unvaccinated to keep wearing masks.
My issue is that people who are unwilling to give to the common good by getting vaccinated are also the same type who will be the first to rip off their masks.
So while I have eased up on the higher level KN95, I am not yet willing to run around going maskless and put my health and safety in the hands of strangers who may have refused to get vaccinated but unmask anyway.
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 02, 2021, 10:45:19 AM
Here in NJ last Friday the lifted mask-wearing in stores. I wore a surgical mask in the supermarket Monday and this morning and I was part of an overwhelming majority
I am being less cautious but I am not abandoning mask-wearing, not just yet. I have a close friend who is a health officer. We spoke last night about the new standards. She hasn't been vaccinated and she was saying the unvaccinated are "encouraged" to keep wearing masks. However, the actual rules being put into place requiring the unvaccinated to keep wearing masks.
My issue is that people who are unwilling to give to the common good by getting vaccinated are also the same type who will be the first to rip off their masks.
So while I have eased up on the higher level KN95, I am not yet willing to run around going maskless and put my health and safety in the hands of strangers who may have refused to get vaccinated but unmask anyway.
I am pretty much on the same page. With the numbers looking very benign now, and much of the population having had at least one dose, I am definitely easing up a little. However I still wear the surgical mask in stores and other indoor venues, and I am still pretty conscientious about distancing (as much as possible) and sanitzing, etc. However I have been to a couple of restaurants (obviously no mask when sitting down), and I have started going to the gym again sometimes. I am as careful as I can be about distancing in these situations, but no doubt the risk is higher. I just feel that with the numbers what they are now, and with me having been fully vaccinated, the timing is right to begin to grind slowly back towards a more normal existence.
As I have alluded to before, while on the field, as an umpire, we have ditched the masks, or, at the very least, worn them on our chins, just for the sake of having them on.
I still wear a mask going into stores as many stores here still have the signs up that masks are required. We have gone from doubling up the masks to just one now.
Next week is my darling wife's 70th birthday and we are planning on going out to eat for the first time in 18 months. It WILL be a different experience.