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For all us fans of this amazing show, AMC has finally announced when this final season will appear

The beginning of the end is near as AMC sets the premiere date for the sixth and final season of Better Call Saul.

Set to launch Monday, April 18 with two back-to-back episodes, the latest chapter of the Sony Pictures Television production will include 13 installments rolling out in two parts. The first seven episodes will run starting in April and the remaining six installments will arrive beginning on Monday, July 11.

The final season follows Jimmy McGill

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I read that Bob O had a serious medical issue which put off the series.


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Quote from: Ed Vette on February 11, 2022, 10:09:20 AM
I read that Bob O had a serious medical issue which put off the series.


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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/09/magazine/bob-odenkirk-better-call-saul.html

Seehorn and Odenkirk interacted with an easygoing, lived-in affection

Quote from: Sem on February 10, 2022, 05:49:41 PM
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I really wanted to rewatch the entire series as I never remember much and I feel this year will tie everything together. I can't tie it if I can't remember it.

There are so many other things I also want to watch, I don't know if I'll have the time, but before the summer is over, I will do it. I really should rewatch Breaking Bad also. I watch an episode here and there and again, I remember the basics, but not what made this so great a series. 

Quote from: LennG on March 27, 2022, 07:42:40 PM
I really wanted to rewatch the entire series as I never remember much and I feel this year will tie everything together. I can't tie it if I can't remember it.

There are so many other things I also want to watch, I don't know if I'll have the time, but before the summer is over, I will do it. I really should rewatch Breaking Bad also. I watch an episode here and there and again, I remember the basics, but not what made this so great a series.

I never really saw Breaking Bad and forgot that AMC was rebroadcasting the series all day every Saturday. Yesterday I started watching season two but the broadcast crapped out mid season. I picked it up later and finished the season and then set up the recording so I could watch the rest. Gotta say that I am impressed at how well this was written, produced and directed.

I would expect that the weekend before they might broadcast the late season of BCS.


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Quote from: Ed Vette on March 27, 2022, 07:47:38 PM
I never really saw Breaking Bad and forgot that AMC was rebroadcasting the series all day every Saturday. Yesterday I started watching season two but the broadcast crapped out mid season. I picked it up later and finished the season and then set up the recording so I could watch the rest. Gotta say that I am impressed at how well this was written, produced and directed.

I would expect that the weekend before they might broadcast the late season of BCS.


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Ed

I know I have told you several times, and several others here will agree, BB could very well be the best thing ever put on TV. It IS that good.

I just finished Season 4 of Breaking Bad. Kind of disappointed that Gus had his head blown off. He was the Negan of this series but clearly a sociopath. Anyone else like his character more that Walter White?

I have been watching/binging the show for the last couple of months.   It started out a little slow, but at this point, I like it better than Breaking Bad.

This weekend, I watched the entire Season 5 and it was almost like I never saw it, to begin with. My memory just isn't what it used to be. I did remember certain shows like the walk in the desert but even though I had seen it, it was like watching it anew. I had forgotten that Hank was introduced in this season and the 2 brothers from BB were also part here. From watching BB, it takes some of the intensity out of BCS as you know which characters will not be killed off as they are on BB.

I had completely forgotten about the first scene is all seasons, as they go forward in time, and with Season 5, Saul or whatever he is calling himself is recognized and first wants out but then changes his mind. What is he up to?

And maybe the biggest question is what happens to Kim? Is she killed off, do the 'happy' (???) couple go their own ways, does Lalo play a part in this?

Still one of the best shows on TV, and Odenkirk is superior in his part.

I am ready and excited for the premier.

A couple of points, it has been confirmed that Walter White and Jesse will be making an appearance before this show concludes.

https://www.imdb.com/news/ni63591527

Rumor or could it be possible--- that Cinnanom Bun Gene, is that really from beyond Breaking Bad or maybe it is before BB. like he is on the run maybe from Lalo and then he re-returns as Saul?  Nay, I just don't see it playing that way.

After watching the series Breaking Bad this past month, then this episode of BCS, I was disappointed in the final season premiere. The stupid antics just didn

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 11, 2022, 12:06:41 PM
I just finished Season 4 of Breaking Bad. Kind of disappointed that Gus had his head blown off. He was the Negan of this series but clearly a sociopath. Anyone else like his character more that Walter White?

I haven't watched the new season just yet, hopefully, tonite if I can find 2 1/2 hours to dedicate to it.

Funny you mentioned Gus. He was on Jimmy Kimmel last night to promote the new season of BCS, but he is so not like his character Gus. He talks a mile a minute and tries to make jokes about everything, while Gus is so reserved, and talks only when he has something to say. I was so taken aback as it was the first time I have seen him off screen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K2vDSW1EW8&t=5s&ab_channel=JimmyKimmelLive

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 19, 2022, 08:57:33 AM
After watching the series Breaking Bad this past month, then this episode of BCS, I was disappointed in the final season premiere. The stupid antics just didn

Is anyone else watching?

I thought the last episode was great. They are really on Howard's case.

The show before this where Nacho said goodbye was OK? I felt they were focusing too much on the Cartel and not enough on JImmy/Saul and Kim which the show is supposed to be about. Almost that entire episode was about the cartel and Nacho.

Some of the opening scenes have been great cinema-wise, but very confusing otherwise.

Quote from: LennG on May 04, 2022, 11:21:34 AM

Is anyone else watching?

I thought the last episode was great. They are really on Howard's case.

The show before this where Nacho said goodbye was OK? I felt they were focusing too much on the Cartel and not enough on JImmy/Saul and Kim which the show is supposed to be about. Almost that entire episode was about the cartel and Nacho.

Some of the opening scenes have been great cinema-wise, but very confusing otherwise.

The suicide of Nacho was terrific. Saul and Kim have become a couple of assholes. I

I can finally read through this. I originally missed all of season 5 but have now watched that season, thanks to Netflix.  And as of now I'm all caught up on season 6.
S6E3 culminating in Nacho's death had me tied up in knots. Edge of your seat stuff.

S6 E4 certainly allowed me to catch my breath. Not a lot really happened though sometimes the slower episodes reveal more than you realize at the time. We'll see if that holds true for this one. A couple things stood out though:

Kim meeting Mike for the first time was interesting.

And I loved Gus' house (and his "neighbor's" house too). It's not just the underground tunnel connecting two residences, it's the fact that Gus has hired two people as actors to play his neighbors, who go about their daily lives in incredibly pedestrian ways, (e.g., bickering about where the neighborhood ends, and complaining about the shade of red on the nearby home) they really seem to get into their roles. These aren't Mike's guys of course. This arrangement has probably been going on for several years. Lalo and Don Eladio have built medieval fortresses for their protection; Gus has engineered a private NSA network for his. Damn. Gus has some serious game.

After catching our breath on this one I'm thinking Monday (S6E6) will be turned up a bit. Looking forward to recording and watching later in the week.

*Staying out of the Ozark thread until I can get back to watching the latest released episodes.

Sad this will end this season because I think it's far and away the best season.  This weeks episode was great.  Did not see some of that coming. 

With the Sandpiper case being settled, I assume we will see Saul make some changes soon.

There

This season started slowly but in hindsight you needed the slow in order to bring the payoff we got this past episode.

I just finished this season and WOW, never expected that. Seem like they took a page from Ozark.

I can't say whether or not this is/was the best season as each season has been great, from Season 1 where they introduced us to Jimmy and Chuck, right thru Jimmy's transformation into Saul. He is a treasure to be valued and used again.

Still, the biggest question is what will happen to Kim?

Just a curious thing, I thought Mike had someone watching Jimmy and Kim's home so how did Lalo get in?

Quote from: LennG on May 26, 2022, 11:18:01 AM
Just a curious thing, I thought Mike had someone watching Jimmy and Kim's home so how did Lalo get in?

Len,
Just finished the episode this evening. I think your question can be explained by Lalo's call to Hector - Lalo noticed that Hector's phone was tapped; he deduced that Gus likely did it; so he falsely told Hector, (for Mike's ears), that he was going to kill Gus that night; so Mike pulled his various security details (assuming Saul's home as well) to concentrate on Gus's location; which freed Lalo to walk the streets of ABQ. Remember the quick shot of the cockroach? At that instant it made him think of Saul Goodman.



Other random thoughts...

I am starting to think Lalo survives past the BB timeline, and that is why Gene is scared to death of being recognized in Nebraska. He knows Lalo is still out there. Granted, Saul would have been more cautious throughout his time in the BB series, so not sure how that could be explained, but it's just a thought.

Lalo pulled the trigger but Howard's blood is on Saul and Kim. They're responsible for Howard being there.

The fear factor in this episode's final moments matches any scary movie you care to name.
- The door opening.
- The candle flame whipping.
- The look on Jimmy's face.
- And all of the raw horror, confusion and despair that's contained in the only word Jimmy can get out:

Quote from: Sem on May 30, 2022, 01:49:13 AM
Len,
Just finished the episode this evening. I think your question can be explained by Lalo's call to Hector - Lalo noticed that Hector's phone was tapped; he deduced that Gus likely did it; so he falsely told Hector, (for Mike's ears), that he was going to kill Gus that night; so Mike pulled his various security details (assuming Saul's home as well) to concentrate on Gus's location; which freed Lalo to walk the streets of ABQ. Remember the quick shot of the cockroach? At that instant it made him think of Saul Goodman.



Other random thoughts...

I am starting to think Lalo survives past the BB timeline, and that is why Gene is scared to death of being recognized in Nebraska. He knows Lalo is still out there. Granted, Saul would have been more cautious throughout his time in the BB series, so not sure how that could be explained, but it's just a thought.

Lalo pulled the trigger but Howard's blood is on Saul and Kim. They're responsible for Howard being there.

The fear factor in this episode's final moments matches any scary movie you care to name.
- The door opening.
- The candle flame whipping.
- The look on Jimmy's face.
- And all of the raw horror, confusion and despair that's contained in the only word Jimmy can get out:

I've been fully into these shows for some time as well. My theory is that Kim is the first one to use the vacuum service to disappear to Nebraska, which is why Saul wants to end up there. I think they use the settlement money from sandpiper to make it happen. Kim is from Nebraska, after all, and there are simply zero coincidences in the Gilligan universe.



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Quote from: PSUBeirut on May 30, 2022, 11:50:57 AM
I've been fully into these shows for some time as well. My theory is that Kim is the first one to use the vacuum service to disappear to Nebraska, which is why Saul wants to end up there. I think they use the settlement money from sandpiper to make it happen. Kim is from Nebraska, after all, and there are simply zero coincidences in the Gilligan universe.



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Anything is possible, I just don't see that. I would think Saul would 'RUN' to join her if she did 'disappear' instead of hanging around for whatever time frame Breaking Bad put us thru. If Kim was in Nebraska because of Lalo, why would Jimmy still be here, operating out in the open?

Everyone just assumes Kim is gone, what happens if she is still there, just not mentioned in BB? Hey, as I said, anything is possible on TV.

Just a question for watchers, why are Jimmy and Kim so afraid of Lalo? I know Lalo is the 'BAD' guy and he is evil thru and thru, but Jimmy helped him so why would Lalo have a sort of 'axe' to grind with them. What am I missing here that I must have forgotten?

Quote from: LennG on May 30, 2022, 11:35:41 AM

Your thoughts on Lalo still being out there and Saul in the Cinnabun era, is still afraid--I just don't see it. If, as many suspect, something evil will happen to Kim, Saul would have gone into hiding well before Breaking Bad ever took place and not been the open lawyer he is then.

It's just a thought I had although, I agree, less likely. As I also mentioned Mike will probably kill Lalo, thus solidifying his loyalty to Gus. I believe this to be a much more likely scenario. 

Quote from: Sem on May 30, 2022, 12:19:53 PM
It's just a thought I had although, I agree, less likely. As I also mentioned Mike will probably kill Lalo, thus solidifying his loyalty to Gus. I believe this to be a much more likely scenario.

I can live with that.  :ok: :ok: :ok:

At what point was BCS taking place simultaneously with BB and will it at some point take place post BB?


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Quote from: Ed Vette on May 30, 2022, 06:26:07 PM
At what point was BCS taking place simultaneously with BB and will it at some point take place post BB?


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We don't know?

Jimmy/Saul hasn't officially opened his 'main' office yet, but most of the other ingredients are there for Walt and Jesse to be starting their partnership. As I said, it has been announced that Walt and Jesse will appear in one of the final episodes of BCS so hopefully, the fime line will all fall into place.

And Jimmy/Saul Cinnabun adventure has to be post BB.

Don't forget the final six episodes begin tonight.

Fantastic episode!

SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!








So Kim leaves Saul and with just a few episodes left, I wonder if there will be a BB/BCS sequel with Saul/Jimmy, Kim and Jesse. Saul doesn't take the straight and narrow and go back to Jimmy as an Attorney after all that transpired. It's just not in him. Kim knew they both could never change and together they would destroy each other.

A frog and a scorpion are at the side of a lake. The scorpion ask the frog to do him a favor since he can't swim and let him hop on the frog's back to cross the lake.

The frog says, "No way! Scorpions sting frogs and kill 'em!"

The scorpion says, "You're not thinking with that frog brain of yours. If I sting you and kill you we both drown."

The frog says it makes sense so the scorpion hops on the frog and off they go. About halfway across the lake, the scorpion stings the frog and the frog just can't believe what happened. "Why would you do that???? You stung me and will kill me but now you will die too!"

As they go down for the third time, the scorpion remarks...

"Because... I am a scorpion."


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So I know Ed is watching, anyone else? It took me a while to get started as we were away, but now I have watched the first 3 episodes and it is as good as it ever was, maybe better.

In episode 2 we basically know why we never saw Kim in BB, she has packed her bags and is off somewhere, maybe to return one day, but I seriously doubt it. Jimmy is left to really be Saul Goodman, complete with the Statue of Liberty which we learned so well, from BB. The transformation is complete.
The only thing that bothered me with episode 2 was that it was more like a BB episode than BCS. With so much emphasis on Gus and the druggies. I was a bit annoyed at that. That really has nothing to do with Saul and what is going on in his life.

Episode 3, we are ahead in Omaha (is this the first reference to where Saul has lit out to, or me just not paying attention?). I was completely surprised by a full episode of Black and White 'Gene' doing his thing. I almost laughed out loud when that dude slipped and fell and the look on Saul's face-- =))  =))  =)). From the coming attractions, it looks like we may stay there, but it was only a 5-second thing. Now we just wait for the appearance of Walter White and Jesse Pinkman.

I am loving it, but thinking only 3 more episodes left ahs me terribly sad.

I am watching, it appears that Jimmy is not truly alive unless he is working some sort of scam

He needed to put the threat in their place Slippin Jimmy Style.


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Quote from: LennG on July 27, 2022, 04:51:38 PMSo I know Ed is watching, anyone else? It took me a while to get started as we were away, but now I have watched the first 3 episodes and it is as good as it ever was, maybe better.

In episode 2 we basically know why we never saw Kim in BB, she has packed her bags and is off somewhere, maybe to return one day, but I seriously doubt it. Jimmy is left to really be Saul Goodman, complete with the Statue of Liberty which we learned so well, from BB. The transformation is complete.
The only thing that bothered me with episode 2 was that it was more like a BB episode than BCS. With so much emphasis on Gus and the druggies. I was a bit annoyed at that. That really has nothing to do with Saul and what is going on in his life.

Episode 3, we are ahead in Omaha (is this the first reference to where Saul has lit out to, or me just not paying attention?). I was completely surprised by a full episode of Black and White 'Gene' doing his thing. I almost laughed out loud when that dude slipped and fell and the look on Saul's face-- =))  =))  =)). From the coming attractions, it looks like we may stay there, but it was only a 5-second thing. Now we just wait for the appearance of Walter White and Jesse Pinkman.

I am loving it, but thinking only 3 more episodes left ahs me terribly sad.

They never should have killed Gus off. He's the Negan of BB. Who's the star of the sequel? The weasel Jesse?


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Quote from: Ed Vette on July 27, 2022, 06:50:45 PMThey never should have killed Gus off. He's the Negan of BB. Who's the star of the sequel? The weasel Jesse?


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Maybe, but I wasn't sad when they did, and the way he finally met his maker-- :ok:  :ok:  :ok:

What did you think of the all-Gene episode? We have caught so many glimpses of his Cinnabun days and never really knew much about it. I was really surprised that Gene would risk something, that if he was caught, who knows what it would mean as we never really knew why he was on the run. We only assumed why. We knew his cover was blown and he didn't want to hi-tail it out of town, but his latest scam, while hilarious and just plain Jimmy, he really never did anything like that before, as far as we know. Why go criminal now?

Quote from: LennG on July 27, 2022, 08:01:29 PMWhat did you think of the all-Gene episode? We have caught so many glimpses of his Cinnabun days and never really knew much about it. I was really surprised that Gene would risk something, that if he was caught, who knows what it would mean as we never really knew why he was on the run. We only assumed why. We knew his cover was blown and he didn't want to hi-tail it out of town, but his latest scam, while hilarious and just plain Jimmy, he really never did anything like that before, as far as we know. Why go criminal now?

He played those two assholes and owned them. Great plan.

I can't read any of these posts because I just started watching the show and am not caught up. I'm just finished up with season 3. But I'll come back and read this thread and add my own comments once I'm caught up. So tempting to read what is being said...but I won't  :no:

Quote from: Ed Vette on July 27, 2022, 08:29:00 PMHe played those two assholes and owned them. Great plan.

Yes, great plan, but WHY?

If he gets caught, then what?

Has he now thrown all caution to the wind?

Again, agree, great plan and it worked perfectly (well, almost perfectly), but why has he now gone to grand larceny?

Quote from: LennG on July 28, 2022, 10:06:27 AMYes, great plan, but WHY?

If he gets caught, then what?

Has he now thrown all caution to the wind?

Again, agree, great plan and it worked perfectly (well, almost perfectly), but why has he now gone to grand larceny?

They now have vested interest in keeping their mouths shut. What other way would he be able to do that other than implicate them in a crime? The only other way would be to get another identity and move. Although this is how he is wired.

Would love to know how he came to become Gene. Could this be another spin-off series, the link between BB and Gene the Cinnabun man?

Quote from: LennG on July 28, 2022, 04:36:49 PMWould love to know how he came to become Gene. Could this be another spin-off series, the link between BB and Gene the Cinnabun man?

I thought that was all going to be revealed before the series ends. So He becomes Gene at the end of BB? Not before BB?

Quote from: Ed Vette on July 28, 2022, 04:50:46 PMI thought that was all going to be revealed before the series ends. So He becomes Gene at the end of BB? Not before BB?

 Oh no, Gene is after BB and was the end of Saul Goodman as we know him.

Here is a short blurb on how it all came to be

"In the first half of Breaking Bad season 5, Saul became aware that his partnership with Walt and Jesse was falling apart. Walt intentionally poisoned Brock (Ian Posada), and Jesse's erratic behavior was getting worse. As the dominos continued to fall, Saul's life was put in danger. Not only were all parties turning on each other, but the DEA was closing in on the truth regarding Walt's associates during his time as Heisenberg. For that reason, Saul contacted Ed Galbraith (Robert Forster), aka the "Disappearer," for a new identity. With the chance at a new life, Saul fled to Omaha, Nebraska, and became Gene Takavic. Odenkirk didn't appear in the series finale, but that almost wasn't the case. According to Gilligan's alternate Breaking Bad endings, there was an option featuring Saul's death, but then he asked himself: why bother?"

Quote from: LennG on July 28, 2022, 06:48:34 PMOh no, Gene is after BB and was the end of Saul Goodman as we know him.

Here is a short blurb on how it all came to be

"In the first half of Breaking Bad season 5, Saul became aware that his partnership with Walt and Jesse was falling apart. Walt intentionally poisoned Brock (Ian Posada), and Jesse's erratic behavior was getting worse. As the dominos continued to fall, Saul's life was put in danger. Not only were all parties turning on each other, but the DEA was closing in on the truth regarding Walt's associates during his time as Heisenberg. For that reason, Saul contacted Ed Galbraith (Robert Forster), aka the "Disappearer," for a new identity. With the chance at a new life, Saul fled to Omaha, Nebraska, and became Gene Takavic. Odenkirk didn't appear in the series finale, but that almost wasn't the case. According to Gilligan's alternate Breaking Bad endings, there was an option featuring Saul's death, but then he asked himself: why bother?"

Ahh, thank you.

Better Call Saul's Next Episode Is Titled 'Breaking Bad'


https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/better-call-saul-s-next-episode-is-titled-breaking-bad/ar-AA104XZl?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9db827d5d8304ecfbf94045106daffce

Well, there you go, the return (sort of) of Walter White and Jesse Pinkman to BCS. I was very disappointed that we see them in a flashback instead of the modern-day Saul, who seems to have vanished. I was hoping the connection would be made between the modern-day Saul and when Walter White and Jesse Pinkman came into his life. But, instead, we get the modern-day Gene reminiscing about the 'good old days of Saul Goodman.

Anyway, the episode was, as usual, superb. Gene seems to have lost a bit of money when he contacts a former employee and is told most of it is gone. So he springs into action with a new, ingenious, plan. I would assume this is the new Saul, oh, I mean Gene. I just loved the part with the quarters and how he wanted to continue the call as he just put a couple of quarters in the phone.
 

We did discover that Kim is alive and well, and does inquire about Jimmy/Saul/Gene. We also learned Huell is well and several others who were part of the world of Saul Goodman, are still out there.

Two more episodes left

Quote from: LennG on August 02, 2022, 05:14:40 PMWell, there you go, the return (sort of) of Walter White and Jesse Pinkman to BCS. I was very disappointed that we see them in a flashback instead of the modern-day Saul, who seems to have vanished. I was hoping the connection would be made between the modern-day Saul and when Walter White and Jesse Pinkman came into his life. But, instead, we get the modern-day Gene reminiscing about the 'good old days of Saul Goodman.

Anyway, the episode was, as usual, superb. Gene seems to have lost a bit of money when he contacts a former employee and is told most of it is gone. So he springs into action with a new, ingenious, plan. I would assume this is the new Saul, oh, I mean Gene. I just loved the part with the quarters and how he wanted to continue the call as he just put a couple of quarters in the phone.
 

We did discover that Kim is alive and well, and does inquire about Jimmy/Saul/Gene. We also learned Huell is well and several others who were part of the world of Saul Goodman, are still out there.

Two more episodes left

Something happened in that call to set him off in anger and frustration.
It lead to him going back to scamming. He has money so it's not about that. I even wonder if the person on the phone either wouldn't let him talk to Kim because she didn't want to or maybe she's dead or committed suicide. I dislike this slimeball character as I did Walter White and the viewers are all hoping somehow they will redeem themselves. There was at least integrity in Gus and Mike even though Gus was a sociopath and Mike justified it as his job and the business. When Todd killed that kid, Mike and Jesse were deeply disturbed so they at least had a faint scent of a moral compass. Just as Negan justified what he did and had remorse and regret upon reflection years later. "Nobody thinks they're the bad guy".

 I'm not going to go back and rewatch, but I thought the lady told Gene that the money he had stashed, something like $500Gs, was given back or turned over to the police.

Why do you think Gene has money? I just never got that impression.

In your post, were you saying that Walter White was the slimeball, Pinkman?

Jesse maybe, he really was, but Walter, even though he turned to the dark side, was doing whatever he was doing, for his family, so when he passed they would be taken care of. I don't believe he ever really was in it for money for himself.

Quote from: LennG on August 02, 2022, 10:04:38 PMI'm not going to go back and rewatch, but I thought the lady told Gene that the money he had stashed, something like $500Gs, was given back or turned over to the police.

Why do you think Gene has money? I just never got that impression.

In your post, were you saying that Walter White was the slimeball, Pinkman?

Jesse maybe, he really was, but Walter, even though he turned to the dark side, was doing whatever he was doing, for his family, so when he passed they would be taken care of. I don't believe he ever really was in it for money for himself.

In his call with his former assistant she mentioned the money he took with him and suggested it was a lot. He said nothing.

Walter was not in it for his family. His motivation was all about him taking 5K and walking away from a multibillion dollar enterprise. He even said it at the end that it was the power and glory and it was all about him. He was going to get 5 million to walk away when all he needed was 750K for his family and he didn't. Instead he stole the Methylamine so they couldn't sell it on him.

The man was a total pos. Hank was off the trail of Gus and his ego had to take credit so he told Hank the chemist was a hack. He poisoned that kid to get Jesse to react so he would partner to kill Gus. He did it with the poison from the Lilies in his back yard. 

Len,

Walter may have been a beaten-down man and one of life's losers, but when he was given the chance for wealth and power, he showed that being beaten down doesn't make one a good person.  He was ruthless when he was given a chance.

As for Saul, he has been miserable since escaping to Nebraska.  Wake up go to his dreary job, go home, heat up dinner, drink a bit, go to sleep, wake up repeat.  Talk about a miserable existence.  No way Saul would keep on going that way.  He didn't truly come alive until he had a chance to slip back into his slippy Jimmy role.  That's when he came alive and started living life again.

As for Kim, unless she is willing to give up her life and identity as Jimmy did, there is no way she can get back with Jimmy.  I mean if the feds are monitoring Jimmy's secretary, you can sure as hell bet they are watching his wife.  I am curious as to what angered Jimmy as I would have thought being hurt would be the natural reaction.

I was talking to Ed about Jimmy going after the cancer guy.   I thought it was out of character for Jimmy, who seemed to have a bit of Robinhood in him as he usually targeted the jerks and seemed to care about the little guy.   Ed pointed out, and I think it's a good point, that Jimmy is still put off by Walter White and that's why he had no sympathy for the man with cancer.

@Jolly Blue Giant now that BCS is in the post BB timeline your out of order viewing is now a problem

When Walter heard of the cancer diagnosis, he enlisted Jesse to make meth. This was all his plan to provide for his family when he passed. This was the theme throughout most of the first years of the show. He had the money stashed in his house and he kept adding to it. He said it several times, especially when he and Skyler were having their problems. When she learned of his drug involvement, he implored her to believe it was all done to provide for him and Walter Jr and then the baby, when he passed. Granted he started getting power and power leads to other things. Call it what you want, but his initial goal throughout most of the series was to garner as much money as he could so his family will be provided for later on. For sure, he did devious things to accomplish this and he had to sink to a lower level later on, but, as long as I watched BB, I would never refer to him as a slime ball, just never. Jesse Pinkman, maybe. but never Walter White.

I will grant you, Hank was an honorable man, but Gus? Gus was about as slimiest as they come. he would kill his mother if it helped him. He had that German killed for basically no reason and that death really weighed on MIke and others. In BB he killed an entire group of people at a pool party by poisoning the wine which he himself drank and was just able to get the antidote before he died also. Sorry, but when Gus had his face blown off, most people were thrilled by it.

I will agree about Gene/Jimmy. He does seem to have revitalized his life. But he was never a criminal, in the sense of robbing people or just doing those sorts of things. He was a guy who knew how to maneuver the system and launder money, but he really never did the crime.

And I'm going to go back and listen to the phone call between him and his former employee. I am sure she told him that she gave a huge amount of money, that he had hidden, to the government. I just do not believe he has a lot of money right now.

Gus Fring: Scarier Than We Thought
1,306,224 views  Apr 13, 2022  One thing Better Call Saul has done really well is give us a new way to think about some of what we saw in Breaking Bad. For example, although Gus Fring's origins are still somewhat mysterious, Better Call Saul has given us a fresh, unsettling look at his psyche which we dive into in this video!

Quote from: MightyGiants on August 07, 2022, 08:28:04 AMGus Fring: Scarier Than We Thought
1,306,224 views  Apr 13, 2022  One thing Better Call Saul has done really well is give us a new way to think about some of what we saw in Breaking Bad. For example, although Gus Fring's origins are still somewhat mysterious, Better Call Saul has given us a fresh, unsettling look at his psyche which we dive into in this video!

What a great character. Revenge was his downfall but that day at the pool created that motivation. Intelligent, cunning, great instincts and professionally meticulous. Unlike the moron Walter White who was free and clear but his stupid ego kept Hank back on track after he packed it in thinking he found his Heisenberg.

Quote from: Ed Vette on August 07, 2022, 10:28:30 AMWhat a great character. Revenge was his downfall but that day at the pool created that motivation. Intelligent, cunning, great instincts and professionally meticulous. Unlike the moron Walter White who was free and clear but his stupid ego kept Hank back on track after he packed it in thinking he found his Heisenberg.

For all his faults, Walter always managed to come out on top, at least until the end

Quote from: MightyGiants on August 07, 2022, 10:32:21 AMFor all his faults, Walter always managed to come out on top, at least until the end

Destroying the lives of his family in his wake. He did save Jesse who he loved like his son who had cunning and street smarts Jr. never had. 

Better Call Saul Finally Resolves One Of Breaking Bad's Greatest Cliffhangers

Nice article

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/recaps/better-call-saul-finally-resolves-one-of-breaking-bad-s-greatest-cliffhangers/ar-AA10gHsJ?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=f0a0f58ffdec42c498bde2f231d442fd

Quote from: LennG on August 07, 2022, 12:06:13 PMBetter Call Saul Finally Resolves One Of Breaking Bad's Greatest Cliffhangers

Nice article

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/recaps/better-call-saul-finally-resolves-one-of-breaking-bad-s-greatest-cliffhangers/ar-AA10gHsJ?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=f0a0f58ffdec42c498bde2f231d442fd

How did Huell help Walter poison the kid? Walter used the Lillies in his back yard to produce the poison on the kid but kept the vial of Ricin hidden and finally used it on that psycho bitch.

Quote from: Ed Vette on August 07, 2022, 10:51:10 AMDestroying the lives of his family in his wake. He did save Jesse who he loved like his son who had cunning and street smarts Jr. never had. 

True, but when you look back, he took on some of the most powerful, smart, and often brutal men and took them all down.

Quote from: Ed Vette on August 07, 2022, 12:28:04 PMHow did Huell help Walter poison the kid? Walter used the Lillies in his back yard to produce the poison on the kid but kept the vial of Ricin hidden and finally used it on that psycho bitch.

Just from my memory, I think Huell pickpocketed the ricin cigarette and gave it to Saul.

Quote from: LennG on August 07, 2022, 01:02:52 PMJust from my memory, I think Huell pickpocketed the ricin cigarette and gave it to Saul.

He did but remember Walt hid it in behind the cover of the electric outlet and used it on the woman who put a hit on him at one time. He almost did it earlier but then she sold him in her distribution network.

Quote from: Ed Vette on August 07, 2022, 01:44:24 PMHe did but remember Walt hid it in behind the cover of the electric outlet and used it on the woman who put a hit on him at one time. He almost did it earlier but then she sold him in her distribution network.

 You asked how Huell was involved in this. I think I answered that.

WOW, just a great episode that tied up a lot of loose ends and has left us with a WTF sort of mentality.

It is so sad to think that after all these years and waiting almost 2 years between seasons a while back, all this is coming to an end next week.  :boooo:  :boooo:  :boooo:  :boooo:

So we now know about Kim
We now know what happened between Jimmy and Kim
We now know that Kim has fessed up about the entire Howard thing
We now know Jimmy/Saul/Gene is in really deep you know what
We also know Carol Burnett is one great actress along with being a great comedienne.
We also learned how Jesse came to link up with Saul (maybe blame Kim for that)


Some thoughts that were going thru my head while watching.

We know basically why Saul hi-tailed it out of town--the Feds were looking for him as well as the cartel, but why is Kim on the run? As far as I remember, she really didn't do anything wrong, illegal--- (maybe lie about Howard's death) but legally, she should not be in any trouble. Is she running from Lalo who they do not know is dead? Is she running from the cartel?
She left Jimmy because she was fed up with their life, scared, but why assume an identity that she probably hated? Gosh, Kim deciding which mayo to use.

So any predictions as to how this will all end? Will Jimmy meet his maker? Will Jimmy sneak out of town once again and start up somewhere else? Will Jimmy get arrested and have to become Saul again to get himself out? Will Mike show up and rescue him (wait, that can't happen, Mike is dead)? I guess we will have to wait till next week and find out.

She left for all the reasons you laid out, Lenn. She surely was a loose end for the Gus and Mike. She needed to remove herself from the temptation of scamming and getting away with it.

There was one possible clue at the airport as the sign Alaska flashed. If he indeed has the money, he needs to get a new identity. If they don't catch up with him. He turned into a real POS.

 I really thought Kim liked the way her career was going. She ditched the hi=brow law firm and wanted, in a way, like Jimmy, to help the needy get a fair shake. In the entire series, she didn't smile very much, but I really thought she loved the way her career was taking her. YES, she basically hated the way Jimmy was doing business, who he was mixed up with, etc. I wonder if Mike had told then that Lalo was, in fact, dead, that might have made things turn out differently. If you remember, all he said to them was Lalo won't be bothering them anymore, he never said why. She hated the fact that she would be looking over her shoulder every day, but again, I wonder if she knew Lalo was dead, she might have reacted differently.

She may not be prosecuted so she can go back to law if she chooses and i think that was her plan all along. No evidence. Howard was melted. She just found out that everyone was dead and buried. I think that's why she cried. She wasted six years of her life in a mind numbing existence. What she loses sight of is that she would have someway, somehow been dragged into the world of Saul Goodman.

As I watched the latest (and many of this season) episodes, I can't help but remember the line from Paul Simmon's song Kodachrome

"Everything looks worse in black and white."

I think that the show is trying to show just how bleak and unfilling both Jimmy's and Kim's lives were after they separated.  It's sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.   Together they are destructive to those around them; apart, they are miserable.  While Kim may be trying to do the right thing now, I am mindful that it was Kim's idea and driving force to destroy Howard's life and reputation, not Jimmy's.

How this all will play out will be interesting.   Will the two of them both run off to Alaska together?  Does Jimmy get caught and spend the rest of his life in prison?   I mean, being IDed is bad for Jimmy, but since the people who IDed presumably don't know his name or where he lives, Jimmy shouldn't have a hard time getting out of town and calling the man for a new ID and location.

I really have no idea what Kim's motivation or end game was.   To be frank, I thought it was a bit out of character for her unless we are to assume this was an indication of character growth.  It's sort of ironic; she gave up the big $$$ as a lawyer to help people.   Now her life has been reduced to selling lawn sprinkler heads and living the dreary suburban life.   So by giving up being a lawyer, she went from making lots of money and living the good life to having a job that helped people, to having a meaningless job while not making any money and not really using her talents.  Not exactly the best life choices.

I wonder if this series will end up with a tragic or happy ending for our ill-fated pair.

I think in addition to any self interest she has to getting a normal life back, she experienced great remorse and shock as to the consequences of her actions when Howard was shot. She carried this with her in the six years of her zombie like existence. Interesting how she never said she was sorry or asked for forgiveness. She just wanted to set it straight.

Good point Rich on the Black and White and I thought the same thing. I even went back to the scene with her and Jesse in the parking lot to see if it went from color to Black and White as she walked away in the rain. It didn't.

Seeing Kim again, in her new existence was quite a shock. As was said, I just would enver picture her as the Martha Stewart type, to live a plain existence doing the good neighbor, good worker, etc. She loved the chase of being a lawyer, whether it was a high-profile case or just helping some poor person get their due rights.
So what was she running and hiding from, Howard's death, No I just can't believe that was it. From the cartel, possibly, as Jimmy has been doing. It is just so out of character for her. For me, I didn't see her breakdown as distraught, but relief at finally being able to set the truth free. Maybe now she can move on with her life and back into something she loved, the law.

I guess you can say the same for Gene. He has had to be miserable as Gene. he lived for the spotlight, that was his persona. Even when struggling as a lawyer he was making videos, and billboards, he needed to see his name in light. Maybe that is why, when this new opportunity came, to pull off some crimes, he jumped at it. Still, he knew the consequences if caught.

The only thing we know about the last episode is we see the remains of a burnt out car and we know we can't put much stock in that.

For me, I do hope he gets away and we don't have one of those tragic endings. Jimmy/Saul/Gene have been so entertaining all these year and brought us so much pleasure, I truly hope they get him out of town. But to what? He will enver go back to being Gene the Cinnabun guy in a new town. He was miserable at that.
We will know in a few days.

Vince Gilligan Says 'Better Call Saul' Will Be Last Show In 'Breaking Bad' Universe: "You Can't Keep Putting All Your Money On Red 21" – TCA

https://deadline.com/2022/08/vince-gilligan-better-call-saul-will-likely-be-last-show-breaking-bad-universe-1235089406/

I guess there really isn't anywhere else they can go with it.

We had a prequel, the real series, and now the after-effects with Gene.

It has been a great ride though.

We have to see how it ends. If Kim and Gene both survive, they may both run away to Alaska. I have a former classmate who was disbarred and who knows what else who went to Alaska and then took off to Baku for some unknown reason. He was one of the stars of Wild West Alaska. lol

I think Gene fakes his death in that burned out car.

Personally, I don't think there is any way in hell Kim goes anywhere with Jimmy/Saul/Gene. As I said before, I feel the crying part was a way of just showing relief that that point of her life is now over, and MAYBE she can go back to being Kim Wexler, attorney at law. Jimmy/Saul/Gene will always be a part of her life that she would not want to get back to.

So let's take this one step further. I think we would all like Jimmy to escape somewhere. But to what? Say he fakes his death and does go somewhere else, say Alaska, is that the life he will lead, getting another no future job while hiding out alone? Wherever he goes, if he goes, and whatever he will do there, he can ever again be Saul Goodman.

How about this, he gets arrested, sent to jail, and becomes the Andy Dufresne (Shawshank Redemption) of where ever they send him.   :ok:  :ok:  :ok:  :ok:  :ok:

Well, folks, it all ends tonite. Looking at the show it is something like 95 minutes long and let's hope we all enjoy the ending. Too many series go out with a whimper and not a bang and leave many disappointed. I'm sure there will be a lot to talk about tomorrow.

I just had Linda watch the Breaking Bad series after much resistance and now we are renting the BCS series which I missed a few episodes and saw most of it before watching BB.

Kind of sad to see the show ending but watching it from a different perspective will be interesting.

I have a personal theory that most shows have a life of 7 seasons.   After 7 seasons, shows tend to diminish as they usually have explored all the characters and played out most of their good stories.   BSC is on season 6.  I don't have a problem with shows going out on top rather than running too many seasons and diminishing what they were about and what they accomplished.

Quote from: MightyGiants on August 15, 2022, 12:38:23 PMI have a personal theory that most shows have a life of 7 seasons.   After 7 seasons, shows tend to diminish as they usually have explored all the characters and played out most of their good stories.   BSC is on season 6.  I don't have a problem with shows going out on top rather than running too many seasons and diminishing what they were about and what they accomplished.

That is true. We all know what happened to TWD as it tried to stay relevant. any great series hung on just a bit too long and their fans, even though they enjoyed them, were aggravated with the last couple of years.

What a crappy ending. It was anticlimactic almost from the start although the flashbacks and regrets showing his true character, were transcended by his repentance and his  love for Kim.

He had them down to seven and that win on paper was enough to satisfy his grifter instincts.

 I agree Ed. Did he FINALLY see the light and regret his entire life?

We watched Jimmy.Saul/Gene for 6 years and knew him as well as we know anyone, yet now that he has basically won, he turns to Mr. Nice Guy.  BOOOOOO..

One thing, for sure, we all had it wrong, and maybe they should have listened to us.

Everyone see the quick promo for a couple of new series?

Yes, was that one show with both actors? 2023

Quote from: LennG on August 16, 2022, 11:07:50 AMI agree Ed. Did he FINALLY see the light and regret his entire life?

We watched Jimmy.Saul/Gene for 6 years and knew him as well as we know anyone, yet now that he has basically won, he turns to Mr. Nice Guy.  BOOOOOO..

One thing, for sure, we all had it wrong, and maybe they should have listened to us.

Everyone see the quick promo for a couple of new series?

Gene turned out to be a real scumbag so that's quite a leap to redemption. Did his love for Kim turn him around?

Quote from: Ed Vette on August 16, 2022, 11:30:45 AMYes, was that one show with both actors? 2023

I think it was for 2 separate shows

Sure seems as if we are alone in our opinions of the finale. I did a look-see at how many others viewed it and almost to a man (or women) everyone thought it one of the best episodes of the entire series.

What the hell do we know?

I was okay with the ending.   If you think about it, one prison was the same as another.   In fact, I suspect Jimmy will actually be happier in jail than in the jail of his on the run and running a Cinnabon.  I always thought Jimmy had a good heart if you looked past his drifter instinct.   I think his love for Kim pushed him to finally do what he did.  He was really doomed one way or the other (like he would have a life after jail), so he was able to at least make a sacrifice to save Kim.

a good read

https://www.thewrap.com/better-call-saul-season-6-episode-13-recap-saul-gone/

I am curious, now that both series have ended, which one was better?

Better Call Saul or Breaking Bad?

Quote from: MightyGiants on August 17, 2022, 08:30:06 AMI am curious, now that both series have ended, which one was better?

Better Call Saul or Breaking Bad?

Breaking Bad.

here is another excellent read


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-reviews/better-call-saul-finale-breaking-bad-bob-odenkirk-rhea-seehorn-1235200187/

To answer my own question, I think I liked Better Call Saul.  I mean, they were both great TV, but I think that BCS appealed to me a bit more because it had more heart.

For me, there was and probably ever will be a series as good as Breaking Bad.

I guess it all depends on how you like a series. BCS had its serious side but it also had a lot of lighter moments and, as was said, some 'heart'. BB would never be in that category. It was harsh, it was dark, it was troubling at times, but it was never light. Even in its attempt at some humor, like when Walt thru that pizza on the roof of his house, it still wasn't funny.

BCS was a good copy as far as writing, acting, and especially cinemaphotography, but BB set the standard and it will never be equaled.

As I said, some may like BCS better as it offered a different type of enjoyment, but for me, it will always be BB.

Did you catch the color shots?

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/better-call-saul-cigarette-ending-1235342350/amp/

No.