I got in around two yesterday, and as of this posting, I am none the worse for wear. Some slight arm soreness has been the only issue. I was able to do my 8-mile walk this morning.
The new booster is formulated against the original strain and adds Omicron 4 and 5 (the current dominant variants). These newer Omicron variants have been pretty effective at bypassing immunized people's defenses (along with people who had prior Covid infections) and getting them sick (although if you are immunized, you still have a pretty good chance of not having to be hospitalized or worse).
I will say the new vaccine hasn't been extensively tested. For me, that wasn't an issue because I understand and trust the science behind the vaccines. I tell people that comes from my engineering background. When you see signs with weight limits on bridges, it's not like they drove heavier and heavier trucks over the bridge until it collapsed, rebuilt it, and then posted the weight signs. Rather we use science to calculate the load capacity. Plus, I potentially have in-person jury duty Tuesday, and masking is no longer required. If I am going to have to potentially spend long periods of time in rooms with strangers or have to sit next to strangers, I want proper protection. Even though much of NJ is currently listed as low transmission, I have been hearing people still contracting Covid.
For those that might be interested, the recommendation is 2 months removed from your original doses or a booster, although some experts say that 4-6 months may be a more appropriate time frame. I was 5 months and a week from my last booster so I was in the range.
I got my second booster shot back in April and am planning on getting this new booster shot pretty soon. Have a lot on my plate right now so don't know exactly when I'll get to it, but I definitely will
Interesting, I went to a jam packed sold out concert last night at the Lakeside Amphitheater in Syracuse (Loverboy, REO Speedwagon, and Styx) and people were on top of people it was so crowded (estimated crowd, 60,000+) and I did not see one single person with a mask all night. It made me feel old though seeing some of my personal favorite rock stars from the 70's with silver hair, wrinkles, and just looking old...like me :( ...except they had a ton of energy. They still got it though and brought the house down, just made me feel old. The crowd was almost entirely made up of "boomers" like me with only a sprinkling of GenX and GenZ in the crowd. I used to jam to all of them in my early years. Just made me realize that I'm becoming the dreaded "old man" :(
I am not used to all the new ways of doing things at concerts. Absolutely no cash is excepted anywhere and you can no long use tickets or vouchers. You pay for virtual tickets on the internet, download an app with a bar code and a scrolling red line that rolls across it until it is scanned at the gate. Hate it. I was carrying a folding lawn chair and everyone has to go through security after being scanned in. I hid a bag of combos inside my folding chair. I didn't know you had to take the folding chair out of the bag while they checked the bag and then told to open the chair, turn it upside down and shake it. My bag of combos fell out on the bench. The woman looked at me in surprise and said, "really? you're trying to sneak in a bag of combos?"...then she laughed and said she wouldn't tell if I didn't tell. She was still shaking her had and laughing as I went to the next stop where you go through a metal detector. Next stop - I had to use one of the hundreds of portal-potties. Set my chair in a bag down before going in and when I came out, someone had stolen my combos :suspious: :cuss:
So I bought a Mideastern Gyro and 3 falafels for 28 bucks and a 13 dollar can of Bud Lite to wash it down (41 bucks plus - because you have to use a card for everything - you cannot continue with the sale on the little computer screen until you choose how much of a tip you wish to include 7%, 12%, 20% etc. with 7% the least and no option for "no tip" and that goes for a single beer as well) So, grand total was about 55 bucks with tips and taxes :o Highway robbery!
But I got to spend the evening with one of my daughters, her husband, her son (my grandson), and my son and his wife so it was totally worth it as they had a ball and it was something to keep as a memory
The thing that stuck out to me though was the total abandonment of masks and how cash was utterly useless for anything. That and of course, a whole lot of weed being smoked openly and legally
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on September 10, 2022, 02:09:18 PMI got my second booster shot back in April and am planning on getting this new booster shot pretty soon. Have a lot on my plate right now so don't know exactly when I'll get to it, but I definitely will
Interesting, I went to a jam packed sold out concert last night at the Lakeside Amphitheater in Syracuse (Loverboy, REO Speedwagon, and Styx) and people were on top of people it was so crowded (estimated crowd, 60,000+) and I did not see one single person with a mask all night. It made me feel old though seeing some of my personal favorite rock stars from the 70's with silver hair, wrinkles, and just looking old...like me :( ...except they had a ton of energy. They still got it though and brought the house down, just made me feel old. The crowd was almost entirely made up of "boomers" like me with only a sprinkling of GenX and GenZ in the crowd. I used to jam to all of them in my early years. Just made me realize that I'm becoming the dreaded "old man" :(
I am not used to all the new ways of doing things at concerts. Absolutely no cash is excepted anywhere and you can no long use tickets or vouchers. You pay for virtual tickets on the internet, download an app with a bar code and a scrolling red line that rolls across it until it is scanned at the gate. Hate it. I was carrying a folding lawn chair and everyone has to go through security after being scanned in. I hid a bag of combos inside my folding chair. I didn't know you had to take the folding chair out of the bag while they checked the bag and then told to open the chair, turn it upside down and shake it. My bag of combos fell out on the bench. The woman looked at me in surprise and said, "really? you're trying to sneak in a bag of combos?"...then she laughed and said she wouldn't tell if I didn't tell. She was still shaking her had and laughing as I went to the next stop where you go through a metal detector. Next stop - I had to use one of the hundreds of portal-potties. Set my chair in a bag down before going in and when I came out, someone had stolen my combos :suspious: :cuss:
So I bought a Mideastern Gyro and 3 falafels for 28 bucks and a 13 dollar can of Bud Lite to wash it down (41 bucks plus - because you have to use a card for everything - you cannot continue with the sale on the little computer screen until you choose how much of a tip you wish to include 7%, 12%, 20% etc. with 7% the least and no option for "no tip" and that goes for a single beer as well) So, grand total was about 55 bucks with tips and taxes :o Highway robbery!
But I got to spend the evening with one of my daughters, her husband, her son (my grandson), and my son and his wife so it was totally worth it as they had a ball and it was something to keep as a memory
The thing that stuck out to me though was the total abandonment of masks and how cash was utterly useless for anything. That and of course, a whole lot of weed being smoked openly and legally
I live in NYC, which is both very liberal and is/has been pretty strict on covid relative to the rest of the country. I can confirm that almost nobody wears masks anymore. And that includes elderly people, even in indoor place like the supermarket.
I think the run we had with omicron early this year, which featured fairly extreme transmissibility even among the masked and fully-vaxed/boosted and also very mild illness (especially for the vaxed), people just feel they're obsolete. Rightly or wrongly that seems to be the attitude based on my observations. Ubers and cabs no longer care if you have them on or not, which wasn't the case 7-8 months ago. We were in Spain earlier this past summer, and it was the same there despite being much different in summer of 2021. People seem to have just moved on from constantly masking everywhere they go. I suspect if there is a more virulent strain at some point, people will pivot back, but hopefully that doesn't happen.
I still see some people wearing masks in stores (very, very few) and of course, anything to do with a medical facility masks are still mandatory here. Here's a picture from the concert to give you an idea of the crowd without a single person wearing a mask - 17,500 people under the pavilion and about 45,000 outside the pavillion in extreme close proximity. They have a mini-hospital there with EMTs and I suspect if I had gone in there the workers would be wearing masks, but I don't know. Generally speaking, masks are history in my neck of the woods
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Ric,
One thing to always remember is that outside is like 13 times safer than inside
I fly and travel a LOT for work.
Masks in the airport and on planes are almost ZERO!
I just spent the week in Nashville TN for work and then my companies conference.
Almost no one at the conference wore a mask.
At night in and out of bars on Broadway if you saw a mask it caught your eye cause it's not the norm anymore.
It's good to see life getting back to normal and people stop being afraid to live.
Bars were shoulder to shoulder people singing and dancing. Had so much fun down here this week!
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Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on September 13, 2022, 03:15:37 PMI fly and travel a LOT for work.
Masks in the airport and on planes are almost ZERO!
I just spent the week in Nashville TN for work and then my companies conference.
Almost no one at the conference wore a mask.
At night in and out of bars on Broadway if you saw a mask it caught your eye cause it's not the norm anymore.
It's good to see life getting back to normal and people stop being afraid to live.
Bars were shoulder to shoulder people singing and dancing. Had so much fun down here this week!
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I've been living my life normal too. I get the vaccines and take my Vitamin D and C and I live my life. Already getting Covid and just dealing with a bad cold with a fever actually knocked any fear of a quick death right out of me.
The only fear that we witnessed was people who were afraid to get vaccinated. The only concern people who are vaccinated might consider is long Covid. Beyond that, Covid is not likely to kill a vaccinated person. It's kind of funny; so many people were afraid of the vaccine and said it wasn't tested enough or we didn't know enough about it long term. The reason that is funny is what we know even less about is Covid. We don't know the long-term impacts of getting infected by the wide variety of variants (although the stuff I have heard from people suffering from long Covid is significant). I can say I am pretty familiar with a wide variety of diseases, and Covid doesn't act like any of the ones we generally deal with. Not many diseases where one person infected suffers no symptoms, but the next person infected literally dies. So who knows what else this crazy disease is capable of?
I shared my experience with you guys because I know the new vaccine wasn't tested on people prior to its release. I thought. It might help those who may be deciding to get the new booster. .
Just go back from our trip and cruise late yesterday but wanted to post on this topic.
Has the new booster been approved? We had the original Moderna shots and booster so have they had approval for the new booster? Which one has been approved and would it matter if you started with say Moderna?
We are on a cruise ship of maybe 3000 people and basically, no one wore masks except some, like us, and the entire crew had to mask up. When we were indoors, we still masked up, sometimes being the only ones in crowds of well over 200 people. Outdoors we always removed them. We later learned that the Captain of the ship was retiring after this cruise and he had brought his entire family with him, They all came down with Covid. After that got around, we started to see more and more people wearing masks inside. Can't say what percentage of the passengers had Covid. If they did they were 'suppose' to stay in their cabins for 5 days, but I would bet many still did whatever they normally do on the ship, not caring if they were infected, as long as they weren't very sick. We stuck to wearing maks regardless and hope it helped.
Hopefully, we will be fine and up until now, we are.
Quote from: LennG on September 19, 2022, 12:50:46 PMJust go back from our trip and cruise late yesterday but wanted to post on this topic.
Has the new booster been approved? We had the original Moderna shots and booster so have they had approval for the new booster? Which one has been approved and would it matter if you started with say Moderna?
We are on a cruise ship of maybe 3000 people and basically, no one wore masks except some, like us, and the entire crew had to mask up. When we were indoors, we still masked up, sometimes being the only ones in crowds of well over 200 people. Outdoors we always removed them. We later learned that the Captain of the ship was retiring after this cruise and he had brought his entire family with him, They all came down with Covid. After that got around, we started to see more and more people wearing masks inside. Can't say what percentage of the passengers had Covid. If they did they were 'suppose' to stay in their cabins for 5 days, but I would bet many still did whatever they normally do on the ship, not caring if they were infected, as long as they weren't very sick. We stuck to wearing maks regardless and hope it helped.
Hopefully, we will be fine and up until now, we are.
Both the Moderna and Pfizer vaccine are being administered under the same emergency authorization that the original vaccine started under.
We are looking to get this shot next week. But the only ones in our area are the Pfizer shots. We have had only Moderna shots so far and Moderna boosters, so would it make any difference if we now got the Pfizer shot instead? from what I have read the Moderan is in short supply right now and we really did not want to mix and match. Would this be any sort of problem?
Quote from: LennG on September 23, 2022, 05:21:19 PMWe are looking to get this shot next week. But the only ones in our area are the Pfizer shots. We have had only Moderna shots so far and Moderna boosters, so would it make any difference if we now got the Pfizer shot instead? from what I have read the Moderan is in short supply right now and we really did not want to mix and match. Would this be any sort of problem?
Len,
The official answer is it's okay to mix. I have heard nothing that would make me think that is untrue
THanks
I got my second booster in July so I guess I have to wait a couple more months to get the third vaccine booster.
We got our new booster today, Moderna. As of now, just have some sore arms.
My wife was speaking to her cousin who sort of insisted that these shots need to go into your right arm and not the left. (we did left arms).
Any theory to this?
Quote from: LennG on September 30, 2022, 08:02:24 PMWe got our new booster today, Moderna. As of now, just have some sore arms.
My wife was speaking to her cousin who sort of insisted that these shots need to go into your right arm and not the left. (we did left arms).
Any theory to this?
Len,
That is the first time I have heard this theory. From a medical and scientific perspective, the choice of the arm makes no difference. It's just a matter of preference (in terms of which arm may be sore).
I remember once hearing that it's best to get your shots in your dominant arm. Reason being the additional arm movement will lead to a quicker disbursement of any pain and discomfort. I'm not sure if there's any truth to that however.
Quote from: Sem on October 01, 2022, 12:01:10 PMI remember once hearing that it's best to get your shots in your dominant arm. Reason being the additional arm movement will lead to a quicker disbursement of any pain and discomfort. I'm not sure if there's any truth to that however.
I was just reporting someone's theory. I never heard it either, but what
Steve says, makes sense.
BTW, last reported just arm pain. That was short-sighted. Around 11, I started getting chills and basically felt every muscle in my body was hurting. Took some Tylenol, and went to bed, but slept on and off most of the nights.
About 5 AM woke up soaked in sweat, took a couple more Tylenol, and now feel fine. tough night but it was worth it for the new protection.
Quote from: Sem on October 01, 2022, 12:01:10 PMI remember once hearing that it's best to get your shots in your dominant arm. Reason being the additional arm movement will lead to a quicker disbursement of any pain and discomfort. I'm not sure if there's any truth to that however.
I was told two things to help with vaccines. Frequently move the arm you got the shot in and be well hydrated before and after the shot
Interesting:
https://twitter.com/ikwilson/status/1578539632484311041
Unfortunately the Florida government is pro-Covid. They have literally killed thousands of Americans with their weckless anti-science policies.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 08, 2022, 12:17:44 PMInteresting:
https://twitter.com/ikwilson/status/1578539632484311041
Interestingly, despite the narrative that Florida has recklessly killed off its own citizens by being less aggressive with covid restrictions, their covid deaths per capita are lower than states like New Jersey and Michigan despite having a higher median age (ie higher percentage of covid-vulnerable people) than those states. They're also only marginally worse than NY and Pennsylvania.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
You'd think if their policies were as reckless as the media portrays them and the more restrictive blue states up north are the ones saving the most lives, it would show up more in the actual hard data. For some reason it hasn't though.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 08, 2022, 03:38:46 PMInterestingly, despite the narrative that Florida has recklessly killed off its own citizens by being less aggressive with covid restrictions, their covid deaths per capita are lower than states like New Jersey and Michigan despite having a higher median age (ie higher percentage of covid-vulnerable people) than those states. They're also only marginally worse than NY and Pennsylvania.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
You'd think if their policies were as reckless as the media portrays them and the more restrictive blue states up north are the ones saving the most lives, it would show up more in the actual hard data. For some reason it hasn't though.
If you cared about the truth and learning reality, you would have considered that NJ was one of the first states hit. At that time, there was little known about the disease; there was a massive shortage of PPE and cleaning products. By the time it hit Florida, there were more PPE and supplies and knowledge about the disease. Florida is also warmer, which allows for more things to be done outdoors. There is also the issue where a densely populated state will fair worse with an air-borne disease. I am not playing the game that so many play, where they push false or misleading claims, and I waste massive amounts of time disputing those claims. I told the truth about what went on and if you don't like it and want to make false claims to deny it, so be it. I am not being sucked down this rabbit hole. If you want to go around claiming that putting self-serving political agendas ahead of science, medicine, and public health is a good idea, go right ahead.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 08, 2022, 04:54:43 PMIf you cared about the truth and learning reality, you would have considered that NJ was one of the first states hit. At that time, there was little known about the disease; there was a massive shortage of PPE and cleaning products. By the time it hit Florida, there were more PPE and supplies and knowledge about the disease. Florida is also warmer, which allows for more things to be done outdoors. There is also the issue where a densely populated state will fair worse with an air-borne disease. I am not playing the game that so many play, where they push false or misleading claims, and I waste massive amounts of time disputing those claims. I told the truth about what went on and if you don't like it and want to make false or misleading claims to deny it, so be it. I am not being sucked down this rabbit hole. If you want to go around claiming that putting self-serving political agendas ahead of science, medicine, and public health is a good idea, go right ahead.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 08, 2022, 04:54:43 PMClearly, you prefer your narrative over the truth.
Not really. I was looking at the actual numbers and just noting that it's interesting that the state's per capita deaths don't seem to support the narrative you put out, which was that Florida is recklessly killing its own citizens.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 08, 2022, 04:54:43 PMFlorida is also warmer, which allows for more things to be done outdoors.
That is really only half true. It is certainly true during the cooler months. However, I am not sure if you have been to Florida between May and October recently. During these months, people actually tend to remain indoors (home and in social activities) due to the intense heat and humidity.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 08, 2022, 04:54:43 PMThere is also the issue where a densely populated state will fair worse with an air-borne disease.
True in general, although as it turns out Florida is quite a population-dense state at 8th in the country:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 08, 2022, 04:54:43 PMI am not playing the game that so many play, where they push false or misleading claims, and I waste massive amounts of time disputing those claims.
Great. I am not playing any game either. I merely brought up some hard data that I thought was interesting given your claims.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 08, 2022, 04:54:43 PMI told the truth about what went on and if you don't like it and want to make false claims to deny it, so be it.
I have made no false claims.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 08, 2022, 04:54:43 PMI am not being sucked down this rabbit hole.
I am really not sure what you're talking about or if this has anything to do with me.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 08, 2022, 04:54:43 PMIf you want to go around claiming that putting self-serving political agendas ahead of science, medicine, and public health is a good idea, go right ahead.
Again, I am not sure what you're talking about or why you are so emotional and triggered. All I did was post a few facts and state that I thought they were interesting. You then proceeded to get pretty emotional about it, which was not my intention. It's all good though, we can drop it.
"Triggered and emotional" You are trying too hard. I told you, I am not letting you drag me down that rabbit hole
Fla
NJ
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 08, 2022, 08:09:51 PMTrue in general, although as it turns out Florida is quite a population-dense state at 8th in the country:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
So you went and looked up the population data and saw that NJ has 3 times the population density of Florida. Instead of acknowledging my point, you cherry-pick a single fact to create the misleading claim about how dense Florida is ranking 8th. This is exactly why I am not going to engage, you clearly intend to promote a narrative rather than seek the truth.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 08, 2022, 08:35:49 PMSo you went and looked up the population data and saw that NJ has 3 times the population density of Florida. Instead of acknowledging my point, you cherry-pick a single fact to create the misleading claim about how dense Florida is ranking 8th. This is exactly why I am not going to engage, you clearly intend to promote a narrative rather than seek the truth.
It's not cherry picking. You brought up population density of states as a way of explaining why Florida's covid deaths per capita number was basically in line with a number of northern states. I responded by pointing out that Florida is actually the 8th most densely populated state in the country. That is not cherry-picking. Sorry, but that is actually addressing the main subject.
Just because I feel a certain moral and ethical obligation. The man behind the proclamations that
@DaveBrown74 posted in the past has promoted two proven ineffective and dangerous "cures" for Covid in hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. So consider this man's history of false and dangerous/deadly claims when considering his latest covid claims.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 08, 2022, 08:30:10 PMFla
NJ
Yup, take out that big early spike when we knew nothing about Covid and had nothing even to protect ourselves, and it's clearly Florida has killed off a lot of Americans who didn't have to die with their reckless policies
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 08, 2022, 08:39:48 PMIt's not cherry picking. You brought up population density of states as a way of explaining why Florida's covid deaths per capita number was basically in line with a number of northern states. I responded by pointing out that Florida is actually the 8th most densely populated state in the country. That is not cherry-picking. Sorry, but that is actually addressing the main subject.
Dave
I've gone down this rabbit hole, my opinion...... just walk away! It's not worth it. It's like arguing politics and religion.
Just state what you find and believe in and then it's up to others to decide for themselves. That is the thing in modern day, there is enough info out there for people to research, talk to their doctors and come up with how to manage their own healthcare.
There is always the other side of any debatable and controversial discussion that can find opposing data and disprove what you say/find/believe and vice versa.
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Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on October 09, 2022, 08:09:04 AMDave
I've gone down this rabbit hole, my opinion...... just walk away! It's not worth it. It's like arguing politics and religion.
Just state what you find and believe in and then it's up to others to decide for themselves. That is the thing in modern day, there is enough info out there for people to research, talk to their doctors and come up with how to manage their own healthcare.
There is always the other side of any debatable and controversial discussion that can find opposing data and disprove what you say/find/believe and vice versa.
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These numbers are even more striking when you consider that cities (where you living in crowded apartments, take mass transit, and walk crowded streets).
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No politics!
See Dave notice I said do your own research and talk to your Dr and immediately let's not acknowledge talk to your Dr a pic mocking my comment is posted.
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Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on October 09, 2022, 09:14:02 AMSee Dave notice I said do your own research and talk to your Dr and immediately let's not acknowledge talk to your Dr a pic mocking my comment is posted.
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300 to 400 hundred Americans are still dying each day due to Covid (if this were two plane crashes, it would be major news). Most of those deaths are the "do your own research" unvaccinated or under-vaccinated. So it's more sad commentary over needless deaths than "mocking."
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages
Here we go again. :boooo: :boooo: :boooo: :boooo: :boooo: :boooo: