https://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1709065888467431905?s=20
https://x.com/rydunleavy/status/1709184468601184332?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 03, 2023, 08:51:00 AMhttps://x.com/rydunleavy/status/1709184468601184332?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
and while jones needs to be better when the plays ARE there, its so hard to put the majority of blame on him. its like standing on a ladder with a broken leg. the whole time you are focusing on not collapsing instead of doing the job right.
Is "Daniel Jokes" a typo by Dunleavy, or was that intentional?
The K isn't right next to the N on the keyboard so I'm honestly not sure.
why not last year's line, when Thomas comes back, with John-Michael at center? At least we won some games with them.
:hurt:
a new record!!! they should be so proud!
Well, when you talk historically bad the three points in the first two home games should really tell you something. Amazingly, the Bengals have been equally brutal on offense.
Not all of these sacks on the offensive line
https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1709323680130494468?s=46 (https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1709323680130494468?s=46)
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 04, 2023, 07:03:47 AMNot all of these sacks on the offensive line
https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1709323680130494468?s=46 (https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1709323680130494468?s=46)
Ouch..
Thanks for posting this.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 04, 2023, 07:03:47 AMNot all of these sacks on the offensive line
https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1709323680130494468?s=46 (https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1709323680130494468?s=46)
It's okay to say Jones had a bad game, even he admitted he did. I do think we should stop making excuses for this terrible line. This reminds me of the abuse I got here when I called out the now benched Glowinski
Problem ....personnel or coaching ,specifically o line coaching
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 04, 2023, 07:55:16 AMIt's okay to say Jones had a bad game, even he admitted he did. I do think we should stop making excuses for this terrible line. This reminds me of the abuse I got here when I called out the now benched Glowinski
On the flip side we should stop making excuses for Jones because no one has said the line play has been good.
The difference is this is the guy with the biggest contract on the roster in his fifth season not picking up on things that someone with as much experience as he does should.
Quote from: Woody on October 04, 2023, 08:02:09 AMProblem ....personnel or coaching ,specifically o line coaching
Combination of everything
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 04, 2023, 08:04:53 AMOn the flip side we should stop making excuses for Jones because no one has said the line play has been good.
Saying Jones had a bad game is making excuses for him? Greg, this is a thread about the terrible line play. What is the purpose of bringing up Daniel Jones? Can we focus on the horrible level of O-line play without changing the topic to Jones? Even the coaching thread is now a discussion of Daniel Jones. It feels like some people are blaming Jones for all the team's woes (I appreciate that you are not suggesting that, but when every topic circles back to Jones, it creates that impression).
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 04, 2023, 08:38:58 AMSaying Jones had a bad game is making excuses for him? Greg, this is a thread about the terrible line play. What is the purpose of bringing up Daniel Jones? Can we focus on the horrible level of O-line play without changing the topic to Jones? Even the coaching thread is now a discussion of Daniel Jones. It feels like some people are blaming Jones for all the team's woes (I appreciate that you are not suggesting that, but when every topic circles back to Jones, it creates that impression).
Now apply this in reverse when the topic is Jones and reverts to the offensive line.
I love watching you two tango. :no:
The conversation about Jones is very relevant as the Line was only responsible for 4 of the 11 sacks as illustrated in the video. So the claim that the O-line sets a new NFL record for being bad is a false statement.
For a 5-year veteran to play at this level in a crucial must-win game, demonstrates his level of competency at the most important position on the team.
Telling posters they are off-topic and to stifle commentary to disprove that fallacious statement is wrong.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 04, 2023, 09:11:08 AMThe conversation about Jones is very relevant as the Line was only responsible for 4 of the 11 sacks as illustrated in the video. So the claim that the O-line sets a new NFL record for being bad is a false statement.
For a 5-year veteran to play at this level in a crucial must-win game, demonstrates his level of competency at the most important position on the team.
Telling posters they are off-topic and to stifle commentary to disprove that fallacious statement is wrong.
It's all connected. As much as offensive line play can impact a QB's play a QB's play and recognition at the LOS can impact a line's play and how they are perceived.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 04, 2023, 09:11:08 AMThe conversation about Jones is very relevant as the Line was only responsible for 4 of the 11 sacks as illustrated in the video. So the claim that the O-line sets a new NFL record for being bad is a false statement.
For a 5-year veteran to play at this level in a crucial must-win game, demonstrates his level of competency at the most important position on the team.
Telling posters they are off-topic and to stifle commentary to disprove that fallacious statement is wrong.
Even Campbell was sacked (when was the last time a WR got a sack?). When are we going to focus on these other areas of the team and stop excusing their poor play by blaming Daniel Jones?
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 04, 2023, 09:48:58 AMEven Campbell was sacked (when was the last time a WR got a sack?). When are we going to focus on these other areas of the team and stop excusing their poor play by blaming Daniel Jones?
No one is excusing their play. Pointing out missed responsibilities and misreading plays that resulted in sacks does not excuse the other sacks they give up where there was nothing the QB could do.
Point is it's misleading to put this "record setting" poor performance of the Giants pass protection just on the 5 linemen.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 04, 2023, 09:52:56 AMNo one is excusing their play. Pointing out missed responsibilities and misreading plays that resulted in sacks does not excuse the other sacks they give up where there was nothing the QB could do.
Point is it's misleading to put this "record setting" poor performance of the Giants pass protection just on the 5 linemen.
When you make excuses by blaming Jones, it creates that appearance. You have yet to (on this thread about bad O-line play) criticize an offensive linemen. You have exclusively criticized Daniel Jones
Let us look at PFF (where they assign sacks to the QB, so the QB is out of the equation)
Ezeudu
49.7
64th / 71 T
Bredeson
50.3
57th / 76 G
Michael Schmitz Jr.
49.0
33rd / 36 C
McKethan
49.7
58th / 76 G
Neal
42.5
68th / 71 T
As bad as those rankings are keep in mind that every one of those linemen has worse pass-blocking grades than run-blocking grades (with the exception BB)
So let us hold this O-line accountable for their historically bad performance
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 04, 2023, 10:06:57 AMWhen you make excuses by blaming Jones, it creates that appearance. You have yet to (on this thread about bad O-line play) criticize an offensive linemen. You have exclusively criticized Daniel Jones
Let us look at PFF (where they assign sacks to the QB, so the QB is out of the equation)
Ezeudu
49.7
64th / 71 T
Bredeson
50.3
57th / 76 G
Michael Schmitz Jr.
49.0
33rd / 36 C
McKethan
49.7
58th / 76 G
Neal
42.5
68th / 71 T
As bad as those rankings are keep in mind that every one of those linemen has worse pass-blocking grades than run-blocking grades (with the exception BB)
So let us hold this O-line accountable for their historically bad performance
This is the issue I have with using PFF as the bible for evaluations and using these evaluations as fact when they're rated opinions. An offensive line's play has more to do with chemistry and their play as a unit than it is any one individual players play. And how a player on the line looks can be helped or hurt by the guy playing next to him. Only the coaches know what the blocking assignments are and who is supposed to do what. It's why I won't and haven't singled out any one individual and have criticized the unit as a whole.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 04, 2023, 07:55:16 AMIt's okay to say Jones had a bad game, even he admitted he did. I do think we should stop making excuses for this terrible line. This reminds me of the abuse I got here when I called out the now benched Glowinski
People actually liked Glo? I wanted him gone & benched even last year. By the way did anyone see how EN blocked waller in the back. That was unreal. Even without playing a full season, they may call 4 the bench as well. WTF was he seeing or doing?
Quote from: DragonSoul on October 04, 2023, 10:44:28 AMPeople actually liked Glo? I wanted him gone & bench even last year. By the way did anyone see how EN blocked waller in the back. That was unreal. Even without playing a full season, they may call 4 the bench as well. WTF was he seeing or doing?
I had some hopes that Glo would be a serviceable, league-average type starter for us at OG, which would have been a nice upgrade.
He wasn't.
Quote from: DragonSoul on October 04, 2023, 10:44:28 AMPeople actually liked Glo? I wanted him gone & bench even last year. By the way did anyone see how EN blocked waller in the back. That was unreal. Even without playing a full season, they may call 4 the bench as well. WTF was he seeing or doing?
Yeah, it is hard to believe. I had a thread calling him out after the Dallas game. I watched his reps in that game. I have been watching football long enough to recognize when a veteran is just going through the motions. I have zero tolerance for players who lack effort. I am more sympathetic with a guy like Neal (who looks to be trying) than I have a veteran who simply isn't willing to put in the effort. That calls for a benching and it appears the coaches agreed.
Quote from: DragonSoul on October 04, 2023, 10:44:28 AMPeople actually liked Glo? I wanted him gone & bench even last year. By the way did anyone see how EN blocked waller in the back. That was unreal. Even without playing a full season, they may call 4 the bench as well. WTF was he seeing or doing?
I was indifferent on him. When the unit as a whole isn't performing well with multiple combinations of players I can't single out one guy. And I certainly wasn't going to accuse him of not being invested in playing football because of his personal life as some individuals did and never apologized for.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 04, 2023, 10:47:22 AMI had some hopes that Glo would be a serviceable, league-average type starter for us at OG, which would have been a nice upgrade.
He wasn't.
Jeff,
My issue when he was signed was that it was a multi-year deal (three-year deal worth $20 million, $11 million of which will be guaranteed). I appreciated the year-one cap constraints and the need for O-linemen. Still, you don't sign 30-year-old linemen with a history of mediocrity to multi-year deals (at least in my opinion).
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 04, 2023, 10:53:29 AMJeff,
My issue when he was signed was that it was a multi-year deal (three-year deal worth $20 million, $11 million of which will be guaranteed. I appreciated the year-one cap constraints and the need for O-linemen. Still, you don't sign 30-year-old linemen with a history of mediocrity to multi-year deals (at least in my opinion).
Fair point and I do not disagree.
Glo was not one of Schoen's best decisions, to say the least. Including at the time (as you illustrate here).
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 04, 2023, 10:47:22 AMI had some hopes that Glo would be a serviceable, league-average type starter for us at OG, which would have been a nice upgrade.
He wasn't.
I did as well, but it got worse, not better as the season went on. And now Neal blocking his own teammate. I also have hopes for him, and I know he is nearing the full 17 game exp. but that and his comments are making me really question him now. Then again the Oline coach should have been gone as well as the ST coach on the same boat outta here.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 04, 2023, 10:49:32 AMYeah, it is hard to believe. I had a thread calling him out after the Dallas game. I watched his reps in that game. I have been watching football long enough to recognize when a veteran is just going through the motions. I have zero tolerance for players who lack effort. I am more sympathetic with a guy like Neal (who looks to be trying) than I have a veteran who simply isn't willing to put in the effort. That calls for a benching and it appears the coaches agreed.
Think the coach finally did the right thing, but took him a bit longer!
Good point, but 4 is still too many.
https://x.com/NewYorkRevival/status/1709363135813923214?s=20