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Title: Was Dick Butkus the Lawrence Taylor of his day?
Post by: y_so_blu on October 06, 2023, 03:29:54 PM
Please correct me if this is a bad comparison, as Dick played before my time. But when you talk about guys who revolutionized the linebacker position and really took over the game, these are two of the names that come up.
Title: Re: Was Dick Butkus the Lawrence Taylor of his day?
Post by: DaveBrown74 on October 06, 2023, 03:34:07 PM
LT was an outside linebacker. He happened to be an outstanding run stopper, but he is primarily remembered for the relentless pressure he put on QBs and all of the sacks and tackles for losses that he got.

Butkus was a middle linebacker.. more of a Ray Lewis type role. He wasn't really a sack guy.

Title: Re: Was Dick Butkus the Lawrence Taylor of his day?
Post by: nb587 on October 06, 2023, 03:53:20 PM
LT revolutionized his position on the outside.  There were great pass rushers before him, for example, Deacon Jones.  But, he played in a 4-3 which was the predominant structure before LT.  I wouldn't say Butkus was a Ray Lewis type.  Butkus was the premier middle LB of his day and he hit like a freight train.  Lewis was far better in pass coverage and I would say was more Butkus light against the run.   During Butkus' time, I can't think of many, or any, big TEs that were great receivers.  It almost seems like a different position.
Title: Re: Was Dick Butkus the Lawrence Taylor of his day?
Post by: zephirus on October 06, 2023, 04:04:17 PM
The greatness the Bears have enjoyed at middle linebacker is kind of awe-inspiring. 

Bill George (1952-1965) - Hall of Famer
Dick Butkus (1965-1973) - Hall of Famer
Mike Singletary (1981-1992) - Hall of Famer
Brian Urlacher (2000-2012) - Hall of Famer
Title: Re: Was Dick Butkus the Lawrence Taylor of his day?
Post by: Giant Jim on October 06, 2023, 05:33:16 PM
No defensive player I've seen has ever come close to LT, before or since.
Title: Re: Was Dick Butkus the Lawrence Taylor of his day?
Post by: files58 on October 06, 2023, 05:53:44 PM
The game is missing players that hit like Butkus. I'll take one, and be greedy for two. He hit the way a football player playing defense should hit. He'd be flagged today for tackling the way he normally did. You know what, I would let the referees flag me all the way down the field for the opportunity to intimidate and outright scare the opposition. That's how defense should be played. Guaranteed if the 60's Butkus played today and the iggles tried the push play, and he was anywhere close to Hurts in the pile Hurts would be coming out of the pile not 100%. Frankly that's how you stop the push play, by taking advantage of Hurt's vulnerability. It's a bleep you attitude. Mother Theresa like before and after the game, like a Visigoth sacking Rome during the game.
Title: Re: Was Dick Butkus the Lawrence Taylor of his day?
Post by: LennG on October 06, 2023, 08:26:54 PM

Comparing LT to Dick Butkus is like comparing apples and oranges. Yes, they were both tops at their time, but LT was a pass rusher, a speed guy who was strong enough to overcome blockers. Butkus was a pure strength guy who basically dared you to come his way. Butkus played the game the way many of us old-timers remember the way football used to be played. I agree though, that Butkus could never play in today's game, he would be penalized on every play.
Title: Re: Was Dick Butkus the Lawrence Taylor of his day?
Post by: Giant Obsession on October 06, 2023, 10:13:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tP17HeG-5k

Notice how he throws his whole body into each tackle.
Title: Re: Was Dick Butkus the Lawrence Taylor of his day?
Post by: beaugestus on October 07, 2023, 07:51:16 AM
The video say's it all.
Title: Re: Was Dick Butkus the Lawrence Taylor of his day?
Post by: BluesCruz on October 07, 2023, 09:48:35 AM
Butkus was a brute
His objective was to punish the ball carrier in any way possible....to create general mayhem, inflict punishment and seperate the runner from the football- I think he recovered 29 forced fumbles in his 9 year NFL  career

Imagine a bigger more powerful nastier Jack Lambert

Mara once asked why so many players were in the trainers room after a Bears game- the trainer told him they all got Butkused

Contrary to the other post on here I dont remember Butkus as a dirty player just a brute who was always in the right place at the right time

LT was a terrific pass rusher....maybe the best of all time.  And a very fast player.  excellent tackler but not out to legally
harm opponents like Butkus was.  Singletary played like Butkus

Butkus liked to pick up RBs and smash them to the ground...one could call him a bit of a thug

Strangely when you watched Butkus as a Giants fan you found him incredibly entertaining

LT was more of a speed and finesse guy

No comparison betweeen the 2 other than both could dominate a game- Butkus was not going after the QB like LT did