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Quote from: MightyGiants on October 09, 2023, 07:01:28 PMhttps://x.com/BaldyNFL/status/1711458752182862004?s=20
Definitely no making excuses for line, but. The center gets beat immediately but the left guard looks to be held from sliding over to block the Miami end by another Miami player
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Also who is the o line coach anyway? He should be fired
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Quote from: Woody on October 09, 2023, 07:19:52 PMDefinitely no making excuses for line, but. The center gets beat immediately but the left guard looks to be held from sliding over to block the Miami end by another Miami player
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Good eye, Woody
I think the defender got away with a hold
Quote from: Woody on October 09, 2023, 07:21:59 PMAlso who is the o line coach anyway? He should be fired
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Bobby Johnson, Dabs brought him from Buffalo
Well we've established here that the QB has no responsibility pre-snap other than calling for the snap so it's on everyone else from the linemen, coaches, GM, trainer, etc.
Lawrence Tynes
@lt4kicks
Here is my two cents on the "fire the OL coach" crowd. This is not on him, it is on the players. We fired an OL coach with Judge, it never gets better. The detail that goes into a week of preparation for an NFL game is insane, players have to execute.
Professional Pride has to kick in, have a conversation with the man in the mirror. He cannot lie to you. Fight, scratch, claw, and refuse to accept failure or defeat. Power of the will!!! #NYGiants
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Bobby Skinner
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It's hard to say definitely that a position coach sucks but Joe Judge firing Marc Colombo was one of his best decisions.
Marc Colombo had Andrew Thomas doing all these vet hand tricks when in reality he needed to lag his inside foot to stop from oversetting (Something Paul Alexander critisized Colombo for). That started happening once Judge supposedly started spending time coaching OL.
Supposedly Colombo also didn't have them IDing Mike in run game either and the run game turning around coincided with the reported in practice battles between Judge & Colombo
Coaching matters... :(
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Could also be that Feliciano meshes better with the rest of the 49'ers offensive line unit than he did with the Giants. It goes back to the idea that chemistry with a line is just as if not more important than talent.
How were Bobby Johnsons lines in Buffalo? I never paid their OL much attention but that could potentially gain some insight there.
I don't think a mid season firing is beneficial but in the offseason with time to work and have time to adjust? Absolutely
Quote from: True Blue on October 10, 2023, 09:01:32 AMHow were Bobby Johnsons lines in Buffalo? I never paid their OL much attention but that could potentially gain some insight there.
I don't think a mid season firing is beneficial but in the offseason with time to work and have time to adjust? Absolutely
I don't think the lines in Buffalo lived up to the talent they had. When Beane took over, he put a lot of resources both in free agency and the draft into the O-line. The line was maybe average at best, but it really didn't seem that great.
I have to look at what changed on this line from last season to this one.
1) Assist O-line coach Tony Sprano Jr. left to the Colts (their line is 13th in pass blocking and 6th in run blocking per PFF). I actually heard a podcast where someone other than me brought up this point. The person on the pod thought it was odd for an assistant to have such an impact, but that assistant is doing quite well as the man in charge of a unit, so there's that.
2) They lost Feliciano and Gates. I suspect they took much of the veteran leadership and toughness with them
Quote from: True Blue on October 10, 2023, 09:01:32 AMHow were Bobby Johnsons lines in Buffalo? I never paid their OL much attention but that could potentially gain some insight there.
I don't think a mid season firing is beneficial but in the offseason with time to work and have time to adjust? Absolutely
I don't think it could hurt even though it may not help things. At this point think you have to try something.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 10, 2023, 09:15:00 AMI don't think the lines in Buffalo lived up to the talent they had. When Beane took over, he put a lot of resources both in free agency and the draft into the O-line. The line was maybe average at best, but it really didn't seem that great.
Wouldn't that then raise a red flag that coaching is the issue there?
If two teams with the same OL coach soent a ton of resources and it hasn't lived up, can that really be the talent?
Giants OL has been bad, but if it was similar there, Johnson would be the constant there
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 10, 2023, 08:47:48 AMCould also be that Feliciano meshes better with the rest of the 49'ers offensive line unit than he did with the Giants. It goes back to the idea that chemistry with a line is just as if not more important than talent.
This is why my theory is once we have Pugh (veteran leadership) alongside the kids and the rookie Center is back with Thomas I do believe the line will mesh and success will follow.
So many here said Feliciano stinks and now look at his PFF (which I don't take stock in) but if we are gonna use it as a metric it's fair to say Feliciano is doing something right
We can say the Bill's line was underperforming while Johnson was there (not sure if it was). However, it performed well enough in his last two years to allow the offense to be top 5 in yards and scoring.
So how bad was his coaching on 2020 and 2021?
For the record, the QB was sacked 26 times in each of those years. 38 sacks and 10 less pts/game in 2019, Johnsons 1st year.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on October 10, 2023, 10:57:03 AMWe can say the Bill's line was underperforming while Johnson was there (not sure if it was). However, it performed well enough in his last two years to allow the offense to be top 5 in yards and scoring.
So how bad was his coaching on 2020 and 2021?
For the record, the QB was sacked 26 times in each of those years. 38 sacks and 10 less pts/game in 2019, Johnsons 1st year.
I may have overstated the weakness of the Bills' online
I went to see what PFF graded the 2020 and 2021 lines (the last two seasons with Bobby Johnson) and they were
2020- 5th in pass blocking 15th in run blocking
2021- 14th in pass blocking and 26th in run blocking
My apologies to
@True Blue for not doing my homework when I initially answered your question
Which coach is responsible for this level of disfunction?
Its Daball's team, plain and simple.
Quote from: babywhales on October 10, 2023, 12:07:55 PMWhich coach is responsible for this level of disfunction?
Its Daball's team, plain and simple.
It's on the GM and the coach to get this headed in the right direction. They inherited a mess but could've read too much into the success they had last season. Especially when you consider how bad they continue to be in their own division.
Daboll. The head coach has to take ultimate responsibility. The team is playing poorly in every facet. I hope he will learn from this because I want him to succeed.
Quote from: babywhales on October 10, 2023, 12:07:55 PMWhich coach is responsible for this level of disfunction?
Its Daball's team, plain and simple.
Agree 100%
Always starts with the HC then OL & ST coach. Wink side has improved a tad but still issues and bad tackling. And I'm starting to think we need to move on from Xavier. Evan seems to be making at least one crazy head scratching play a game. From blocking his own team mate to blocking thin air.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 10, 2023, 09:18:13 AMI have to look at what changed on this line from last season to this one.
1) Assist O-line coach Tony Sprano Jr. left to the Colts (their line is 13th in pass blocking and 6th in run blocking per PFF). I actually heard a podcast where someone other than me brought up this point. The person on the pod thought it was odd for an assistant to have such an impact, but that assistant is doing quite well as the man in charge of a unit, so there's that.
2) They lost Feliciano and Gates. I suspect they took much of the veteran leadership and toughness with them
Interesting 1st point. But the coach needs to be fired.
Feliciano was okay, somewhere between Ben and Glo. Gates I hated to see him leave as he was our best center when he played and he could have been a solid guard & backup center.