Usually, teams don't do that. As Dan says, it's tough for the receivers to develop a rhythm, plus it's harder on the QB to develop the chemistry. Would it be better to pick 3 (maybe 4) and just make them the main receivers?
Rotating 6 WRs is seemingly keeping anyone from getting in a rhythm. Shepard got more playing time, had 1 catch for 13 yards. Hyatt didn't have a target in 33 snaps. Third game with 0 catches. He's exclusively a deep threat and the Giants can't/don't throw deep.
Play Hyatt and Robinson all game. Let Campbell become the waterboy.
Slayton and Hodgins can split reps.
The Chiefs have been rotating 5 WRs all season, no one seems to be complaining about Mahomes' top 7 scoring offense with a 4-1 record
Quote from: True Blue on October 09, 2023, 08:39:59 PMThe Chiefs have been rotating 5 WRs all season, no one seems to be complaining about Mahomes' top 7 scoring offense with a 4-1 record
Mahomes must have a great offensive line. We've been told no QB can ever succeed unless they have a great offensive line.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 09, 2023, 08:43:47 PMMahomes must have a great offensive line. We've been told no QB can ever succeed unless they have a great offensive line.
They also have an elite coaching staff over there. He seems to be propped up pretty well
Quote from: True Blue on October 09, 2023, 08:47:02 PMThey also have an elite coaching staff over there. He seems to be propped up pretty well
How much of it is elite QB play?
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 09, 2023, 08:43:47 PMMahomes must have a great offensive line. We've been told no QB can ever succeed unless they have a great offensive line.
In 5 games this season, Mahomes has been sacked 4 times. Daniel Jones has been sacked 28 times and Tyrod Taylor 1 time. Mahomes has never been sacked more than 28 times in a season. You're almost saying blocking does not matter. No QB can ever succeed long term without good blocking.
Quote from: Philosophers on October 09, 2023, 10:22:58 PMIn 5 games this season, Mahomes has been sacked 4 times. Daniel Jones has been sacked 28 times and Tyrod Taylor 1 time. Mahomes has never been sacked more than 28 times in a season. You're almost saying blocking does not matter. No QB can ever succeed long term without good blocking.
You just made the point for me.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 09, 2023, 08:43:47 PMMahomes must have a great offensive line. We've been told no QB can ever succeed unless they have a great offensive line.
They have PFF's 13th-ranked pass-blocking unit. Safe to say, Mahomes is enjoying working behind a solid O-line.
Can we stick to the topic at hand, which is the Giants WR rotation?
I listened to former NFL Scout Dave Turner this morning. He also thinks the Giants should reduce their WR rotation to a three man rotation. He also argued one of the three should be Hodgins because of the chemistry he had with Jones last season. I am not sure I agree with the 2nd point, but I don't know if I disagree either.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 10, 2023, 08:12:10 AMI listened to former NFL Scout Dave Turner this morning. He also thinks the Giants should reduce their WR rotation to a three man rotation. He also argued one of the three should be Hodgins because of the chemistry he had with Jones last season. I am not sure I agree with the 2nd point, but I don't know if I disagree either.
I don't think they decided on those three players yet if you can believe that. They apparently feel Hyatt isn't ready for some reason. They want Campbell to succeed and he gets a lot of the short passes, swings and screens. Slayton is definitely part of that group and they are easing in Robinson who's still finishing his rookie season. Somehow they want Hodgins in the mix because he can find a soft spot and sit. They also want that tall Receiver for the Red Zone.
I agree they should settle in with Slay, WDR and Hyatt at some point. Then alternate Hodgins and Campbell on rare occasions when they have four WRs and use Barkley as a RB and Blocker/checkdowns.
Right now they need two TE's on a lot of plays for one to block. Waller keeps a Receiver off the field in 12P.
They miss Richie James this year badly.
Next season Campbell won't be back.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 10, 2023, 08:37:41 AMI don't think they decided on those three players yet if you can believe that. They apparently feel Hyatt isn't ready for some reason. They want Campbell to succeed and he gets a lot of the short passes, swings and screens. Slayton is definitely part of that group and they are easing in Robinson who's still finishing his rookie season. Somehow they want Hodgins in the mix because he can find a soft spot and sit. They also want that tall Receiver for the Red Zone.
I agree they should settle in with Slay, WDR and Hyatt at some point. Then alternate Hodgins and Campbell on rare occasions when they have four WRs and use Barkley as a RB and Blocker/checkdowns.
Right now they need two TE's on a lot of plays for one to block. Waller keeps a Receiver off the field in 12P.
They miss Richie James this year badly.
Next season Campbell won't be back.
Funny that you mentioned 2 TEs. That was another thing David mentioned. He felt with Waller and Bellinger they should be playing a lot of 2 TE sets. He thought that would help a bit with the blocking.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 10, 2023, 08:10:57 AMThey have PFF's 13th-ranked pass-blocking unit. Safe to say, Mahomes is enjoying working behind a solid O-line.
Can we stick to the topic at hand, which is the Giants WR rotation?
This thread was arguing against a 5-6 man WR rotation. It was pointed out that KC runs a similar rotation yet they have no issues in their passing game so it must be they have a great line because QB's are a product of their line, no?
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 10, 2023, 08:39:57 AMFunny that you mentioned 2 TEs. That was another thing David mentioned. He felt with Waller and Bellinger they should be playing a lot of 2 TE sets. He thought that would help a bit with the blocking.
It certainly would.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 10, 2023, 08:40:48 AMThis thread was arguing against a 5-6 man WR rotation. It was pointed out that KC runs a similar rotation yet they have no issues in their passing game so it must be they have a great line because QB's are a product of their line, no?
What works or is good for one team doesn't mean it will work for all teams. Every team is different, with different schemes, different personnel, different coaching, and so on. It's not wise, in my opinion, to look at another team and say, "it works for them, the Giants should do it." This is the sort of misguided thinking that led to the Giants trying the tush push and getting JMS and Bellinger hurt.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 10, 2023, 08:43:28 AMWhat works or is good for one team doesn't mean it will work for all teams. Every team is different, with different schemes, different personnel, different coaching, and so on. It's not wise, in my opinion, to look at another team and say, "it works for them, the Giants should do it." This is the sort of misguided thinking that led to the Giants trying the tush push and getting JMS and Bellinger hurt.
Of course but it doesn't mean it can't ever work or work for the Giants.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 10, 2023, 08:40:48 AMThis thread was arguing against a 5-6 man WR rotation. It was pointed out that KC runs a similar rotation yet they have no issues in their passing game so it must be they have a great line because QB's are a product of their line, no?
They don't have three dominant receivers either.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 09, 2023, 08:43:47 PMMahomes must have a great offensive line. We've been told no QB can ever succeed unless they have a great offensive line.
So tiresome having every single thread derailed by the same 2 posters posting the same thing over and over and over.
Giants WR snap counts from Sunday
Parris Campbell WR 16 22% 0 0% 0 0%
Sterling ShepardWR 20 28% 0 0% 0 0%
Isaiah Hodgins WR 28 39% 0 0% 0 0%
Jalin Hyatt WR 33 46% 0 0% 0 0%
Wan'Dale RobinsonWR 48 67% 0 0% 0 0%
Darius Slayton WR 49 68% 0 0% 0
Campbell has really been phased out with Shep getting into the game more.
Hodgins was almost our #1 WR in the playoffs but is also getting phased out now
Hyatt is on the field but is not getting the targets
While watching Sunday's game, I asked myself if Hyatt was even in the game. Yes, he drafted him to spread t he field, and since Jones has no time, he ignores Hyatt, but that is a terrible mistake. Hyatt can be dynamic, and the Giants should look to feed him the ball, not just on deep patterns. he is as fast as anyone else in the league and the Giants do nothing to get him even involved in any sort of action. End around, WR screens, a pitch-out to him. How can a guy with this much speed and potential, not even get a look-see in basically two games? Our offense sucks, yet Hyatt could be a game breaker yet he is ignored on offense. Another bad mark against Kafka.
I'd go a series or two throwing three consecutive passes Hyatt's way. Get the defense thinking and backing off the line.
Quote from: JT39 on October 09, 2023, 08:27:04 PMPlay Hyatt and Robinson all game. Let Campbell become the waterboy.
Slayton and Hodgins can split reps.
and use hyatt in the backfield
Quote from: TDToomer on October 10, 2023, 12:24:07 PMGiants WR snap counts from Sunday
Parris Campbell WR 16 22% 0 0% 0 0%
Sterling ShepardWR 20 28% 0 0% 0 0%
Isaiah Hodgins WR 28 39% 0 0% 0 0%
Jalin Hyatt WR 33 46% 0 0% 0 0%
Wan'Dale RobinsonWR 48 67% 0 0% 0 0%
Darius Slayton WR 49 68% 0 0% 0
Campbell has really been phased out with Shep getting into the game more.
Hodgins was almost our #1 WR in the playoffs but is also getting phased out now
Hyatt is on the field but is not getting the targets
Posted a thread on this yesterday. I am interested in what Hyatt's snap count will be this week and whether last week was just a blip that had more to do with the opponent and match ups or if he's falling out of favor. I do think the trend of Campbell and Hodgins of getting fewer snap counts each week means unless there is an injury that they are at the bottom of the depth chart.
Season is lost. Start Hyatt, Robinson and rotate only 3-4 but target Hyatt and Robinson. We need to know if we have a WR1 by season's end.