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If they can get him the ball, yes - he can be.
In my mind, he already is. Now throw him the :cuss: ball!
I think he's a downfield threat, which is more than the Giants have had in long while. From what I understand, though, he's still running virtually exclusively vertical routes. I think "true" #1 WRs can do more than that (so they can threaten the defense in a variety of ways and demand defensive gameplanning attention). Given the limitation on his route tree, I would not put him in that class yet. But hey, we're just 7 games into his rookie year. Certainly has time to grow. And the stutter move he put down on his 42-yard catch to get the CB (who was playing very far off him) to bite was impressive.
EDIT: I didn't read the call of the thread properly. I think yes, he can be. He has work to do, but certainly has the tools to be one of the best the Giants have had in years.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 23, 2023, 09:27:50 AMI think he's a downfield threat, which is more than the Giants have had in long while. From what I understand, though, he's still running virtually exclusively vertical routes. I think "true" #1 WRs can do more than that (so they can threaten the defense in a variety of ways and demand defensive gameplanning attention). Given the limitation on his route tree, I would not put him in that class yet. But hey, we're just 7 games into his rookie year. Certainly has time to grow. And the stutter move he put down on his 42-yard catch to get the CB (who was playing very far off him) to bite was impressive.
EDIT: I didn't read the call of the thread properly. I think yes, he can be. He has work to do, but certainly has the tools to be one of the best the Giants have had in years.
I put that on Kafka. He's not designing plays specifically for Hyatt. It's clear that he has great body control, field awareness, great hands, and crisp route-running. And he's a willing blocker in the running game. Kafka has gone MIA and it hasn't been talked about enough.
I will answer my own question:
Yes, Hyatt is a true number one WR. To me the key to being a number one WR is the ability to routinely beat one on one coverage, and Hyatt does that. In addition, Hyatt makes the QB look good by being very good at adjusting to throws.
Daboll keeps mentioning Hyatt is still learning. I am not sure what he still needs to learn, but he should be doing it via a work-study program. Yesterday, Hyatt was in on 48 of 68 offensive snaps (71%). That number should be higher than that. His snap percentage should be in the mid to high 80s and he should be leading the WR room in terms of snaps (Slayton led yesterday with 57).
NFL Gameday is $15 bucks a month and you can see the All-22 along with a lot of other perks, but even if you only take the free trail period and cancel, you should review all the games this year. It will open your eyes.
As for Hyatt, he has been running several different routes and you will see that on this App.
I have no doubt he's going to be their number one along with Waller. He's already as good as Slayton. He's fortunate he's not behind a young Nicks and Salsa as Manningham was. Although he's much smarter and is a hard worker who has an inner drive. I like his personality and hopefully he doesn't go down the road Odell went down.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 23, 2023, 09:46:02 AMI will answer my own question:
Yes, Hyatt is a true number one WR. To me the key to being a number one WR is the ability to routinely beat one on one coverage, and Hyatt does that. In addition, Hyatt makes the QB look good by being very good at adjusting to throws.
Daboll keeps mentioning Hyatt is still learning. I am not sure what he still needs to learn, but he should be doing it via a work-study program. Yesterday, Hyatt was in on 48 of 68 offensive snaps (71%). That number should be higher than that. His snap percentage should be in the mid to high 80s and he should be leading the WR room in terms of snaps (Slayton led yesterday with 57).
He adjusted to that Tyrod throw yesterday because the ball was underthrown and he had to slow down and position himself to make the catch. That's a huge asset for a QB.
he can. although he has a long way to go to be a "true #1". he is a deep threat, if he can mix in a bit of possession receiver, he can be anything he wants to be. whatever he is/becomes, i'm happy to have him.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 23, 2023, 09:51:57 AMHe adjusted to that Tyrod throw yesterday because the ball was underthrown and he had to slow down and position himself to make the catch. That's a huge asset for a QB.
It's a real gift to be able to glance back and instantly know the trajectory of the ball. I remember when I played softball, I was an infielder most of the time. Occasionally, they pushed me to the outfield. For the life of me, I could never see the ball's trajectory coming off the bat (I often had my fellow outfielder tell me to move in or out).
As Ed says, it's a huge asset when the receiver has the ability to adjust to throws. I think Hyatt is in the top percentile in terms of that ability (which pairs very nicely with his great speed).
I'll go the opposite route. He likely WILL be a #1-caliber WR... but a truly elite #1 receiver?
I don't I see a comparison of his likely potential to the NFL's few current TRULY elite receivers.
Just think about the few players in that category and how they are "unstoppable."
IMO Hyatt CAN be an excellent NFL WR and he CAN do everything they ask of him (and probably already is).
He was a really nice pickup in the 3rd round, but I don't see potential to be truly elite.
Bob
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 23, 2023, 09:48:59 AMNFL Gameday is $15 bucks a month and you can see the All-22 along with a lot of other perks, but even if you only take the free trail period and cancel, you should review all the games this year. It will open your eyes.
As for Hyatt, he has been running several different routes and you will see that on this App.
I have no doubt he's going to be their number one along with Waller. He's already as good as Slayton. He's fortunate he's not behind a young Nicks and Salsa as Manningham was. Although he's much smarter and is a hard worker who has an inner drive. I like his personality and hopefully he doesn't go down the road Odell went down.
Another advocate for the All-22; if you have the disposable income, it's well worth the price.
If they throw him the ball...yes. This guy is electric. This is the type of guy that can flip a game that's going poorly or take control of a game that's going well. But only if they are willing to 1) play him and 2) throw him the damn ball when they do.
Quote from: Gmo11 on October 23, 2023, 11:50:37 AMIf they throw him the ball...yes. This guy is electric. This is the type of guy that can flip a game that's going poorly or take control of a game that's going well. But only if they are willing to 1) play him and 2) throw him the damn ball when they do.
Gm: It's a fair point.
We won't get a true picture (other than waiting a year) unless we what happens when they throw it up for grabs.
Maybe they won't do it until (if ever) Giants are eliminated from the playoff hunt & wins are "less important."
He ran under that long catch yesterday - a great positive sign IMO - but let's see him do a few other of the many things an excellent pro WR is expected to accomplish.
Bob
I hope he can develop into an unstoppable or double team him #1 WR but that would also require getting open in the routes other then the deep ones.
I have noticed both him and Robinson out there blocking unlike Slayton which is a big plus.
Right now he seems to do most of his running outside the numbers. Hopefully they work more routes across the middle.
You've all listed his attributes. Just start and play him.
Quote from: Philosophers on October 23, 2023, 01:03:13 PMRight now he seems to do most of his running outside the numbers. Hopefully they work more routes across the middle.
You've all listed his attributes. Just start and play him.
I think they need one more threat to really make wandale and Hyatt shine.
Whether it's Odunze, Nabors, Harris or someone like that in this draft that would make the core a trio and make defenses have to account for them.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 23, 2023, 01:23:51 PMI think they need one more threat to really make wandale and Hyatt shine.
Whether it's Odunze, Nabors, Harris or someone like that in this draft that would make the core a trio and make defenses have to account for them.
J: The way we played so far this season I figure Giants are still in the running for Marvin Harrison, Jr. LOL
only if he could win a fight with the kicking net LOL
Quote from: Bob In PA on October 23, 2023, 01:57:27 PMJ: The way we played so far this season I figure Giants are still in the running for Marvin Harrison, Jr. LOL
I really like Harrison and Egbuka from Ohio St but man the Nabors kid at LSU and Odunze at Washington are coming for that #1 wr spot. Should be a bunch to choose from in the draft.
He's alreday #1 but the bar wasnt that high
Waller is right there with him
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 23, 2023, 02:24:35 PMI really like Harrison and Egbuka from Ohio St but man the Nabors kid at LSU and Odunze at Washington are coming for that #1 wr spot. Should be a bunch to choose from in the draft.
How many will last the the second round?
Quote from: Uni on October 23, 2023, 03:59:17 PMHow many will last the the second round?
Likely a few because there's just that much talent this year. Harrison, Odunze, and Nabors are all 3 top 15 picks though they are that good.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 23, 2023, 04:35:52 PMLikely a few because there's just that much talent this year. Harrison, Odunze, and Nabors are all 3 top 15 picks though they are that good.
J: I think the Eagles will want one of them.
They can only go so long with the TWO probably elite-level WR's they currently have.
Just like with QB's, eventually it becomes a numbers game. They went for broke this year and overspent, IMO.
Bob
If we actually get the ball to him, then hell yes.
Forget OBJ, he has the tools to be our next Amani Toomer.
Quote from: Bob In PA on October 23, 2023, 05:03:57 PMJ: I think the Eagles will want one of them.
They can only go so long with the TWO probably elite-level WR's they currently have.
Just like with QB's, eventually it becomes a numbers game. They went for broke this year and overspent, IMO.
Bob
I agree as they should, we should as well. The talent at RB, WR, and QB is ridiculous in this upcoming draft. The Wr FA market should also be really good. Depth wise I don't remember a year were the draft was thus deep at the 3 primary offensive positions. Not just early rounds but all the way to the 3rd/4th round.
At this point I think Hyatt's floor is a deep threat similar a certain former philly player I hate.
I think he can be better than that though.
I don't see him as a #1 but he has quickly developed into what they needed him to be - a downfield threat. The Giants haven't had a WR who scared Defenses in a long time. Some might say since Victor Cruz. The Giants need that to force Defenses to play the deep area. If the Giants had a true number one, Hyatt would be a very good number two who can stretch Defenses and give more room for the other receivers to work.
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Quote from: bamagiantfan on October 24, 2023, 08:22:38 AMI don't see him as a #1 but he has quickly developed into what they needed him to be - a downfield threat. The Giants haven't had a WR who scared Defenses in a long time. Some might say since Victor Cruz. The Giants need that to force Defenses to play the deep area. If the Giants had a true number one, Hyatt would be a very good number two who can stretch Defenses and give more room for the other receivers to work.
Mitch,
What do you believe Hyatt is missing that prevents him from becoming a true number one?
I read through all the posts on this thread and a lot of talk of his speed, and/or actually using him more often. But no one pointed out his hands. He has GREAT hands, and if he isn't being hacked, arms restrained, and tackled at the split nanosecond the ball reaches him - he catches the damn ball with incredible consistency. Very sticky fingers, superb hand-eye coordination, and instantly perceives the whole situation such that he can usually beat his defender. Can't teach that. Combine that with tremendous speed, and you have a true no.1 on the team
He's just a kid from a small school and a rookie, yet making noise in the NFL...and a gem of a find for us
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on October 24, 2023, 11:48:37 AMI read through all the posts on this thread and a lot of talk of his speed, and/or actually using him more often. But no one pointed out his hands. He has GREAT hands, and if he isn't being hacked, arms restrained, and tackled at the split nanosecond the ball reaches him - he catches the damn ball with incredible consistency. Very sticky fingers, superb hand-eye coordination, and instantly perceives the whole situation such that he can usually beat his defender. Can't teach that. Combine that with tremendous speed, and you have a true no.1 on the team
He's just a kid from a small school and a rookie, yet making noise in the NFL...and a gem of a find for us
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Hyatt's role needs to grow as the season progresses in terms of number of plays, number of targets, varoety of routes, etc. We drafted him to terrorize defenses. We need to develop him and see what we have.
The focal point of the passing game needs to be Hyatt, Waller, and Robinson... in that order.
Quote from: T200 on October 24, 2023, 12:10:03 PMThe focal point of the passing game needs to be Hyatt, Waller, and Robinson... in that order.
Somebody send that to Daboll. This is correct but they seem allergic to it.
Related question—If Hyatt goes on an Odell like run can he take OROY honors away from Puka?
Quote from: Gmo11 on October 24, 2023, 12:11:38 PMSomebody send that to Daboll. This is correct but they seem allergic to it.
Daboll sticking with vets in the passing game (excluding Waller) was like the Mets trotting out Vogelbach. Common sense and logic showed better options but the young guys were left to rot on the bench.
Quote from: nicky1000 on October 24, 2023, 05:35:59 PMRelated question—If Hyatt goes on an Odell like run can he take OROY honors away from Puka?
Is this a serious question?
Quote from: nicky1000 on October 24, 2023, 05:35:59 PMRelated question—If Hyatt goes on an Odell like run can he take OROY honors away from Puka?
Puka is such a great story and only a 5th round pick. I guess out of necessity, the Rams got really good at day 3 draft picks and developing those picks.
Quote from: nicky1000 on October 24, 2023, 05:35:59 PMRelated question—If Hyatt goes on an Odell like run can he take OROY honors away from Puka?
No chance. Hyatt is very promising but doesn't see the volume, and there is a huge gap already between the two players as we head into the halfway mark of the season. I mean the only two receivers in the league who have more receiving yards than Puka are Hill and AJ Brown. Hyatt is only third on his own team in receiving yards, and as we know we're not exactly a strong offensive team.
Hyatt is likely to have a better second half of 2023 than the first half, but I can't see him catching Puka. Plus Puka isn't the only rookie who is impressing. You've also got people like Stroud, Zay Flowers, Addison, Bijan etc. I can't see Hyatt stealing it from all of the above.
He's such an elite deep threat, he doesn't even need to be a masterful route runner. You run 4 routes: the go, the 15 yard dig, the 15 yard curl and a crossing route.
A good comparison is Desean Jackson. Teams were so scared of his speed, he feasted on those 15 yard digs and curls.
Once Hyatt gets that down, he will have CBs in big trouble.
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Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on October 24, 2023, 11:48:37 AMI read through all the posts on this thread and a lot of talk of his speed, and/or actually using him more often. But no one pointed out his hands. He has GREAT hands, and if he isn't being hacked, arms restrained, and tackled at the split nanosecond the ball reaches him - he catches the damn ball with incredible consistency. Very sticky fingers, superb hand-eye coordination, and instantly perceives the whole situation such that he can usually beat his defender. Can't teach that. Combine that with tremendous speed, and you have a true no.1 on the team
He's just a kid from a small school and a rookie, yet making noise in the NFL...and a gem of a find for us
I'm with you. As you wrote, sticky fingers and a hands catcher, not a Mario Manningham body catcher.
Also he goes up for the ball. His physicality and lack of fear are very good.
I think he can be a #1 WR if he continues to develop.
BTW - to answer the question:
I think if you want an amped up, legitimately dangerous WR group - Hyatt is your ideal #2.
Think about having a physical, do everything #1 WR commanding attention, and Hyatt on the other side. Robinson in the slot. Waller at TE. Slayton the #4 who gets plenty of burn because WRs always get injured.
That's a great group that is extremely difficult to defend!