Jones, Thomas, JMS, Neal, Jackson.
Thomas - elite
JMS - Difference maker
Jackson - Can be a difference maker
Jones - TT has been doing well, no rush
Neal - Has been bad but definitely needs playing time so we can see what we really have
Quite honestly, the offense seems to be performing well without all of them. The line looks like they have some chemistry. While one or two players from that least may be clear upgrades individually, the overall unit may not perform as well.
Thomas - huge upgrade
JMS - upgrade
Jackson - downgrade
Neal - downgrade
Jones - downgrade
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 24, 2023, 09:37:45 AMJones, Thomas, JMS, Neal, Jackson.
1. Thomas (not close)
2. Jackson
3. JMS
4. Jones
5. Neal
Thomas - must develop high end talent
JMS - must develop high end talent
JAckson - would help but he is gone at year end
Jones - final audition for his job, the decision on him will be made at the draft
Neal - rough road ahead to see end of rookie deal, even with 3 years left on it. Giants need to learn when to cut ties with bad picks.
Thomas- an immediate upgrade in protection
JMS- his return upgrades one Guard position
Jackson- he's an upgrade over Hawkins and provides depth in case of injury
Jones- his return adds quality depth regardless if he starts or not. This exercise speaks for his worth and his contract.
Neal- a no confidence vote. He needs to show he's worthy of his high draft pick. A practice squad player replaced him and Phillips was not a downgrade.
When Thomas returns, where does Pugh go?
Quote from: T200 on October 24, 2023, 10:35:27 AMWhen Thomas returns, where does Pugh go?
I assume you mean left or right guard? And I would say if Neal is going to be back at RT they would be better off putting Pugh next to him to hopefully stabilize that side. Maybe help eliminate Neal from having to do any thinking, not exactly his strong suit, because Pugh can call out everything to him.
Quote from: Gmo11 on October 24, 2023, 10:44:52 AMI assume you mean left or right guard? And I would say if Neal is going to be back at RT they would be better off putting Pugh next to him to hopefully stabilize that side. Maybe help eliminate Neal from having to do any thinking, not exactly his strong suit, because Pugh can call out everything to him.
Excellent point.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 24, 2023, 09:37:45 AMJones, Thomas, JMS, Neal, Jackson.
Thomas : Absolute priority. Whoever is taking the snaps under center, we need our monster left tackle to protect the blindside. And besides this, he is also very good at run blocking.
Jones : You can hate the guy but seriously, you seriously want Tommy under center if Tyrod injures himself ?
Schmitz-Jackson : Same, we are thin at Oline and CB.
Neal : Sorry bro, haven't proved yourself yet. I haven't given hope.
Quote from: T200 on October 24, 2023, 10:35:27 AMWhen Thomas returns, where does Pugh go?
When Thomas and JMS return where does Pugh go? They'll have Pugh, Bredeson, and Glowinski for the two Guard positions. I'm not sure it's automatic that Glow returns to the bench.
But will JMS return this year?
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 24, 2023, 10:32:42 AMJackson- he's an upgrade over Hawkins and provides depth in case of injury
The depth thing I understand, but is Jackson really better than Hawkins on the outside? He's clearly a downgrade over Flott in the slot
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When you lose a player, it's not really about the talent of the player lost, but rather the gap in talent between the player lost and his replacement.
Thomas- Thomas is an elite or near-elite LT. The replacements have been well below average. The gap here is Grand Cayon like at the critical LT position.
JMS- Brederson hasn't played significantly worse than JMS. However, Brederson plays better at his natural guard position and the backfill at guard is a downgrade (at least until Pugh was signed and Glowinski stepped up).
Jones- Tyrod has done an excellent job subbing for Jones, so there isn't much of a dropoff (if any) for now.
Jackson- I think there is a bit of a dropoff from Jackson to Hawkins. It's tough to say how much because the Giants have been playing Jackson out of position at slot.
Neal- Neal has played so poorly, I am not sure it's possible for there to be a dropoff
I know people don't think he's getting better but Neal is trending in a positive direction especially the past two games before Injury. Because of injury he's just now played 1 full season.
Thomas- to stabilize the left side
JMS- to continue to develop
Neal- to continue to develop
Jackson- I'd rather Flott get the reps
Jones- Tyrod is doing fine
Quote from: Uni on October 24, 2023, 11:15:03 AMThe depth thing I understand, but is Jackson really better than Hawkins on the outside? He's clearly a downgrade over Flott in the slot
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He's not a slot guy and was thrown there to develop the young Corners. At this point I do believe he's the better corner. I don't think they sit Adoree.
Quote from: Sem on October 24, 2023, 11:08:24 AMWhen Thomas and JMS return where does Pugh go? They'll have Pugh, Bredeson, and Glowinski for the two Guard positions. I'm not sure it's automatic that Glow returns to the bench.
But will JMS return this year?
They didn't IR him but no word out on him. Has he spoken to the media?
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 24, 2023, 11:25:44 AMI know people don't think he's getting better but Neal is trending in a positive direction especially the past two games before Injury. Because of injury he's just now played 1 full season.
Thomas- to stabilize the left side
JMS- to continue to develop
Neal- to continue to develop
Jackson- I'd rather Flott get the reps
Jones- Tyrod is doing fine
His last game he showed progress. Perhaps this time off will be good for him mentally because that's his biggest problem. Just like Jones. It's all mental.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 24, 2023, 11:24:01 AMWhen you lose a player, it's not really about the talent of the player lost, but rather the gap in talent between the player lost and his replacement.
Thomas- Thomas is an elite or near-elite LT. The replacements have been well below average. The gap here is Grand Cayon like at the critical LT position.
JMS- Brederson hasn't played significantly worse than JMS. However, Brederson plays better at his natural guard position and the backfill at guard is a downgrade (at least until Pugh was signed and Glowinski stepped up).
Jones- Tyrod has done an excellent job subbing for Jones, so there isn't much of a dropoff (if any) for now.
Jackson- I think there is a bit of a dropoff from Jackson to Hawkins. It's tough to say how much because the Giants have been playing Jackson out of position at slot.
Neal- Neal has played so poorly, I am not sure it's possible for there to be a dropoff
I think Flott earned his spot in the slot. (Poetically speaking)
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 24, 2023, 11:32:28 AMI think Flott earned his spot in the slot. (Poetically speaking)
Flott's Spot in the Slot sounds like a newly discovered Dr. Seuss book.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 24, 2023, 11:32:28 AMI think Flott earned his spot in the slot. (Poetically speaking)
I've been saying it for a while but the kid is horrible in practice and just a gamer when the whistle blows. You don't really hear about players like that anymore. Typically practice translates to the game but man he's a different player in game.
Brederson is a good guard, but has been bad at center, except for the last game. The interior I line has been a huge downgrade without JMS. He stabilizes center and Pugh, Glow Brederson csn round out the inside.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 24, 2023, 09:37:45 AMJones, Thomas, JMS, Neal, Jackson.
I dont think I am going out on a limb here:
1) Thomas - His return improves more than his position. Pugh cam slide to LG where he will likely be at least average if not a little better than average. And that allows more help to the right if needed.
2) Jackson - He is better than Hawkins and provides a lot of versatility with Flott playing well in the slot. The defense looks to have turned a corner and adding Jackson should only give Wink more options to mix things up.
3) JMS - playing next to Pugh might help him a bit and he looked the part prior to the injury.
4) Neal - started to see progress and if that continues it would be a huge boost.
5) Jones - TT seems to see the field and the defense better. Results are pretty similar though.
1. Thomas – The perceived 'improvements' to our offensive line are not supported by the data (e.g. pressures and sacks allowed); Pugh made Chase Young look like an AP, while I suspect Young would have been inept against Thomas...getting a legit AP LT back will solidify the line.
2. Jackson – In the modern era, teams pass at a greater frequency than run; thus, you can't have enough solid corners. While the young guys have played well, adding a DB with Jackson's experience and skill will only strengthen an already good unit.
3. JMS – At this point in his very young career, he's not a difference maker, as indicated by his below average PFF score (49). A change at center has virtually gone unnoticed over the last few weeks. However, he needs to play in order to continue to improve...
4. Jones – While TT has played better than DJ, he's still a 34 year old QB who's susceptible to injury, at the end of his career.
5. Neal – Unfortunately, there's little drop off between Neal and anyone else the Giants elect to play RT.
If we are so lucky to have everyone healthy and Pugh is the odd man out we have a solid dependable first man off the bench. Something we have been lacking while waiting forever on with Lemieux and Peart.