Turn them into an NFL QB. I think recency bias sort of had many of us overweighing athleticism and arm strength (some people like to call his "arm talent"). Willis reminds us that while those traits are helpful, they don't ensure success.
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LOL, isn't Levis in the same boat? Isn't that why he dropped in the draft?
Quote from: Uni on October 25, 2023, 09:19:03 AMLOL, isn't Levis in the same boat? Isn't that why he dropped in the draft?
To a degree, yes. For me, the fact that Levis is starting over Willis is not a good sign for Willis' future, while I think the future for Levis is still up in the air. Winning the starting job is a good sign, but I think it's a long way from proof that Levis will develop into a solid NFL starter.
Not a good sign for Willis at all. I hope he proves me wrong, but I have no clue why Will Levis was ever elevated as high in the draft as he landed. Personally, I think scouts were squinting way too hard trying to make him the next Josh Allen.
The NFL just loves throwing rookie QBS in the the line of fire no matter where they were drafted. There are a few teams where the 3rd/PS QB is leap frogging over the stable veteran #2 like Vegas and Chicago. In other words what many of us wanted McAdoo to do when he benched Eli in 2017.
Willis was drafted in the 3rd round, so it's not like TN overreached or traded up.
Levis was taken in the second so slightly more expensive.
Whereas the Bills traded up for Allen
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This is a good topic and one I have thought about recently myself. I think the big headline physical tools (athleticism, height/build, arm strength) are all clearly very important but may be overemphasized relative to the emphasis that other qualities like processing ability, accuracy, pocket awareness, etc. Purdy is an example of a QB who seems to possess more of the subtle tools than the obvious ones that jump off the screen at you on an eye test analysis.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 25, 2023, 09:51:57 AMThis is a good topic and one I have thought about recently myself. I think the big headline physical tools (athleticism, height/build, arm strength) are all clearly very important but may be overemphasized relative to the emphasis that other qualities like processing ability, accuracy, pocket awareness, etc. Purdy is an example of a QB who seems to possess more of the subtle tools than the obvious ones that jump off the screen at you on an eye test analysis.
The traits you listed are more difficult to evaluate than athleticism and arm strength. Interestingly, you mentioned Purdy. I am watching his progress, and I see now that injuries have made San Fran a little less of a QB paradise, he has struggled in the last couple of games. Two games are not enough to erase the good he has done since coming into the league, but I have been watching his progress.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 25, 2023, 10:19:04 AMPurdy is an example of a QB who seems to possess more of the subtle tools than the obvious ones that jump off the screen at you on an eye test analysis.
Has Purdy begun to come back down to earth? or have teams finally figured him out? He seems pretty below average his last 2 games.
I don't trust anything the Titans do. Remember they gift-wrapped AJ Brown to the Eagles..didn't scrap their aging team from last year(Byard just traded) and settled for Levins when this 24' draft has far better qb prospects.
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Quote from: WheresDayne on October 25, 2023, 10:23:06 AMHas Purdy begun to come back down to earth? or have teams finally figured him out? He seems pretty below average his last 2 games.
I hope so. Sorry if this is mean but when a team makes a huge mistake at the #3 overall pick they should suffer some consequences.
Quote from: WheresDayne on October 25, 2023, 10:23:06 AMHas Purdy begun to come back down to earth? or have teams finally figured him out? He seems pretty below average his last 2 games.
As I mentioned, I am waiting for a bit more data before deciding.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 25, 2023, 10:25:32 AMI hope so. Sorry if this is mean but when a team makes a huge mistake at the #3 overall pick they should suffer some consequences.
This is a fair point, that I have thought of as well. The 49ers have, overall, been great at drafting and developing talent. So much so, they may be the only team to not experience consequences for trading up to the 3rd overall pick and whiffing.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 25, 2023, 10:19:04 AMThe traits you listed are more difficult to evaluate than athleticism and arm strength. Interestingly, you mentioned Purdy. I am watching his progress, and I see now that injuries have made San Fran a little less of a QB paradise, he has struggled in the last couple of games. Two games are not enough to erase the good he has done since coming into the league, but I have been watching his progress.
Yup, I have been too, and I agree with your observations. With everyone healthy, plus with the superior play design/play calling of Shannahan, there is little doubt that Purdy has probably the best situation in the NFL, if not one of the better situations of the past decade or so. No doubt his production is augmented substantially by all of it. To state otherwise would be ridiculous. Still, I have been impressed overall with his execution though. He processes quickly and is accurate. I think those are both good qualities. Sam Darnold and Jimmy G had the same advantages Purdy has, and yet he has been better than they were, including as a rookie.
I'm certainly not saying Purdy is the next Joe Montana or anything like that, but like you, he is a guy I'm keeping an eye on. I think there is a pretty decent chance he ends up having a solid career. And his standout skills are not the classic, Josh Allen type ones that jump off the screen and make people drool.
No doubt the 9ers made a huge mistake on Lance. Colossal given what they gave up to get him.
Clearly they got lucky on Purdy to a large degree. I mean credit them for picking him, but clearly if they thought he was going to be even decent they wouldn't have waited until the 7th round.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 25, 2023, 10:34:00 AMNo doubt the 9ers made a huge mistake on Lance. Colossal given what they gave up to get him.
Clearly they got lucky on Purdy to a large degree. I mean credit them for picking him, but clearly if they thought he was going to be even decent they wouldn't have waited until the 7th round.
This is a great point that I have heard some of the smarter NFL people make. Sure it's a credit to find a diamond in the rough like Tom Brady in the 6th or (not comparing him to Tom) Purdy in the 7th, but it's pretty clear the team didn't think what happened was likely to happen (or perhaps could happen) or as you said they wouldn't have risked losing him and taking the player so low in the draft.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 25, 2023, 10:36:43 AMThis is a great point that I have heard some of the smarter NFL people make. Sure it's a credit to find a diamond in the rough like Tom Brady in the 6th or (not comparing him to Tom) Purdy in the 7th, but it's pretty clear the team didn't think what happened was likely to happen (or perhaps could happen) or as you said they wouldn't have risked losing him and taking the player so low in the draft.
Precisely. People have to remember that, while yes, everyone else in the NFL passed on Purdy except the 9ers, the 9ers themselves passed on him through round six. Which by definition means they didn't think all that highly of him. I think it's fair to say they got very lucky, although they need to be given some element of credit for being the ones to finally take him. Also, their player development process surely deserves some credit too (even though they failed with Trey Lance).
The QB position is first and foremost about mental processing speed to understand a D formation quickly, then during the play, to see the field and coverages and process where to throw it.
Everything else is secondary IMHO. All the great QBs have the mental skills and most have the arm. The bad QBs may have the arm but dont have the mental quick processing skills.
I agree with those who talk about the importance of processing speed. Teams can use various tests to measure how "fast" a QB's brain works. Unfortunately, unlike the Combine, fans do not have access to this data. I believe it's pretty difficult to properly assess processing speed just by watching tape.
Quote from: Philosophers on October 25, 2023, 11:51:08 AMThe QB position is first and foremost about mental processing speed to understand a D formation quickly, then during the play, to see the field and coverages and process where to throw it.
Everything else is secondary IMHO. All the great QBs have the mental skills and most have the arm. The bad QBs may have the arm but dont have the mental quick processing skills.
See Jeff George and Jay Cutler as two highly gifted,arms who couldn't process or have any leadership skills too.
Tonight's game has a lot to do with recent bias.
In 2018, The athletic QB with the big arm was the one to take.