Ok so Giants are near season halfway mark. Have not been able to score or throw the ball so far this season. Pass blocking has been abysmal.
The Defense looked mediocre initially but last few games has come on with play of Dex and Thibs.
What do you guys think the offseason priorities need to be at this point of the season?
Quote from: Philosophers on October 29, 2023, 04:38:00 PMOk so Giants are near season halfway mark. Have not been able to score or throw the ball so far this season. Pass blocking has been abysmal.
The Defense looked mediocre initially but last few games has come on with play of Dex and Thibs.
What do you guys think the offseason priorities need to be at this point of the season?
Dump this trash coach and GM sooner than later. Bring in somebody to run all matters on the field such as hiring a GM and coach.
Fix Oline, get a better QB and get some WRs that can get separation consistently
Quote from: Messiah717 on October 29, 2023, 04:39:47 PMDump this trash coach and GM sooner than later. Bring in somebody to run all matters on the field such as hiring a GM and coach.
Schoen isn't trash and Daboll isn't going anywhere for another year or two. The priorities should be to sign a couple proven veteran offensive linemen, hire a competent offensive line coach and draft a real quarterback.
Quote from: madbadger on October 29, 2023, 04:42:01 PMSchoen isn't trash and Daboll isn't going anywhere for another year or two. The priorities should be to sign a couple proven veteran offensive linemen, hire a competent offensive line coach and draft a real quarterback.
This.
I get people are angry at Daboll/Schoen right now and that's perfectly fair, but forget about them going anywhere after this season. Zero chance of it.
Hopefully now that we're 2-6 and the reality that we're not going anywhere this year is very clear, we will be sellers on Mon/Tues before the deadline. Adoree, Barkley, Leo, McKinney and anyone else they have no long term plans for should be up for discussion. I know it has been reported that Barkley isn't going anywhere, but they should definitely try to move veterans they're not keeping long term.
Giants will very likely draft a new QB. Jones can't stay healthy and has not played well. It's time for a change.
Other position needs:
DT (assuming not bringing Williams back)
EDGE
O line (all positions except center)
RB
We had an inured kicker and a 3rd string Qb against the best core of defensive backs in the league while raining. That would have been dumb to let an unproven 3rd string Qb sling it vs that D given the conditions in my opinion.
Last year we got really lucky in a few games but ended the season badly outside a Vikings win. We are in year 2 of a full rebuild.
The guy just got coach of they year with little talent and is playing with less talent now with injuries but somehow he's the fraud. Blame the training staff or the NY media that pumped up the greatest show on turf and that just because Jones got money that he'd transform into something he's never been because of what? An oft injured TE that we got for a 3rd rd pick?
We need a Qb, I don't care if it's Williams, or Mccarthy we need one.
We need an Oline Coach
We need to retool the dline group add 2 solid DEs and a pass rusher to compliment thibs
Let Barkley go and get some cheap young guys that run forward.
Add a piece to the wr core and let Slayton and hodgins hangout on the bench.
I'd let Waller go and focus on Bellinger
And try to retool ie get 2 new safeties
Depth.
Waller was a dumb signing. He cannot stay healthy and is not the same player he was because of it.
Quote from: Messiah717 on October 29, 2023, 04:39:47 PMDump this trash coach and GM sooner than later. Bring in somebody to run all matters on the field such as hiring a GM and coach.
Like who?
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 29, 2023, 04:53:21 PMWe had an inured kicker and a 3rd string Qb against the best core of defensive backs in the league while raining. That would have been dumb to let an unproven 3rd string Qb sling it vs that D given the conditions in my opinion.
Last year we got really lucky in a few games but ended the season badly outside a Vikings win. We are in year 2 of a full rebuild.
The guy just got coach of they year with little talent and is playing with less talent now with injuries but somehow he's the fraud. Blame the training staff or the NY media that pumped up the greatest show on turf and that just because Jones got money that he'd transform into something he's never been because of what? An oft injured TE that we got for a 3rd rd pick?
We need a Qb, I don't care if it's Williams, or Mccarthy we need one.
We need an Oline Coach
We need to retool the dline group add 2 solid DEs and a pass rusher to compliment thibs
Let Barkley go and get some cheap young guys that run forward.
Add a piece to the wr core and let Slayton and hodgins hangout on the bench.
I'd let Waller go and focus on Bellinger
And try to retool ie get 2 new safeties
All of this seems very reasonable to me! Do we have enough cap space to make it happen though?
Quote from: Messiah717 on October 29, 2023, 05:00:00 PMWaller was a dumb signing. He cannot stay healthy and is not the same player he was because of it.
He wasn't signed. We traded a 3rd round pick for a guy that has been our best receiver this year.
Sell the team to Dan Snyder.
Quote from: madbadger on October 29, 2023, 05:34:55 PMHe wasn't signed. We traded a 3rd round pick for a guy that has been our best receiver this year.
My bad but saying he's our best receiver isn't saying much.
Part of the value of a player is his ability to be in the field.
Quote from: Philosophers on October 29, 2023, 06:02:18 PMPart of the value of a player is his ability to be in the field.
He's been on the field all year long until today.
Do anything you need to do to get a franchise QB. Shore up the OL in free agency. Do those two things and the team will be a lot better. QB means the most of any position in sports. Do whatever you have to do to find your guy.
Quote from: Philosophers on October 29, 2023, 04:38:00 PMOk so Giants are near season halfway mark. Have not been able to score or throw the ball so far this season. Pass blocking has been abysmal.
The Defense looked mediocre initially but last few games has come on with play of Dex and Thibs.
What do you guys think the offseason priorities need to be at this point of the season?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 29, 2023, 04:51:24 PMThis.
I get people are angry at Daboll/Schoen right now and that's perfectly fair, but forget about them going anywhere after this season. Zero chance of it.
Hopefully now that we're 2-6 and the reality that we're not going anywhere this year is very clear, we will be sellers on Mon/Tues before the deadline. Adoree, Barkley, Leo, McKinney and anyone else they have no long term plans for should be up for discussion. I know it has been reported that Barkley isn't going anywhere, but they should definitely try to move veterans they're not keeping long term.
Giants will very likely draft a new QB. Jones can't stay healthy and has not played well. It's time for a change.
Other position needs:
DT (assuming not bringing Williams back)
EDGE
O line (all positions except center)
RB
Except our GM has already promised Barkley he won't be traded. For some dumb reason.
Quote from: AYM on October 29, 2023, 06:28:44 PMExcept our GM has already promised Barkley he won't be traded. For some dumb reason.
So have the Titans to Henry. Clearly both teams love their franchise back more than their fans do.
Schoen needs to take charge now. He has to be given free reign to finally truly rebuild this team. That means doing what might be painful including getting rid of anyone he thinks is not part of the future. He has until Tuesday to start this rebuild.
Quote from: madbadger on October 29, 2023, 06:05:10 PMHe's been on the field all year long until today.
I was not talking about Waller but just in general. I like the Waller pickup.
I'll tell you one thing I dont want which is to use a 1st round pick to draft Fan from PSU or Alt from ND and try to convert another OLT to play ORT. I want an ORT who played his last college season at ORT if we move on from Neal.
Quote from: Philosophers on October 29, 2023, 07:31:15 PMI'll tell you one thing I dont want which is to use a 1st round pick to draft Fan from PSU or Alt from ND and try to convert another OLT to play ORT. I want an ORT who played his last college season at ORT if we move on from Neal.
The Giants have to find a QB. Imperative.
They need a QB, the offensive line stinks, the wide receivers stink and the defense will need additions as well. I mean they just played a game where they passed for negative nine yards and they have only scored 95 total points in eight games. It's a disaster.
Quote from: katkavage on October 29, 2023, 07:33:33 PMThe Giants have to find a QB. Imperative.
Not suggesting we dont get a QB. Juat saying no converts to RT.
Quote from: AYM on October 29, 2023, 06:28:44 PMExcept our GM has already promised Barkley he won't be traded. For some dumb reason.
Because John Mara loves Barkley like a son.
Find a coach to coach up the Oline. It'll be maddening to see more resources spent there.
1) New OL Coach
2) Two veteran FA starting Guards or 1 Guard and 1 RT. Rising talent not decliners
3) 1st round QB
4) DT to replace Leo
5) Edge opposite Thibs
6) Mid-round RB
7) Tall X WR capable of being a 1
Quote from: Philosophers on October 29, 2023, 09:28:04 PM1) New OL Coach
2) Two veteran FA starting Guards or 1 Guard and 1 RT. Rising talent not decliners
3) 1st round QB
4) DT to replace Leo
5) Edge opposite Thibs
6) Mid-round RB
7) Tall X WR capable of being a 1
The off-season starts now if Schoen is smart. Get rid of players now if you can get something for them.
Quote from: Philosophers on October 29, 2023, 09:28:04 PM1) New OL Coach
Agree
2) Two veteran FA starting Guards or 1 Guard and 1 RT. Rising talent not decliners
Solving RT us 1st priority. If Neal progresses to average, great. If not, spend in FA. If Neal fails at RT,I'd try him out for 3 or 4 games at RG
3) 1st round QB
As of now,I'd sell out for a top 3 qb in draft
4) DT to replace Leo. DJ and Riley might be enough depth
5) Edge opposite Thibs
Agree 100!
6) Mid-round RB.
Agree
7) Tall X WR capable of being a 1
I'm ok with Hyatt developing for now
Giants have the 3rd pick as of now in the 2024 draft (Bears game not included).
I'd be very surprised if they weren't sellers to at least reduce cap space by Tuesday..plus add picks. We'll see. As far as the future..the staff needs a shakeup on the OL and STS before anything else.
Quote from: gregf on October 29, 2023, 10:39:44 PMI'm ok with Hyatt developing for now
I agree and assume he is starting as flanker or split end with the other playing as well. If they passed on WR this year it would not be the end of the world for me.
Quote from: Philosophers on October 29, 2023, 09:28:04 PM1) New OL Coach
2) Two veteran FA starting Guards or 1 Guard and 1 RT. Rising talent not decliners
3) 1st round QB
4) DT to replace Leo
5) Edge opposite Thibs
6) Mid-round RB
7) Tall X WR capable of being a 1
Would add new ST coach to #1.
If we're adding 2 OL starters in FA, one absolutely must be a RT. Neal is not athletic or smart enough to be an NFL tackle. Sooner they come to that realization, the sooner this team will get better. Would go OG in round 3 or 4 and let him, FA signing and Ez battle it out.
We're not getting Williams, so if you're looking for round 1 QB that would either be Maye or McCarthy. Not a fan of either. Would rather trade down from like #5 to #10-#12 and then pick from best edges left (Turner or Latu), Newton to replace Leo, or Coleman or Egbuka at WR.
If not Newton in a round 1 trade down, I'd prioritize an edge over Leo's replacement.
Wouldn't go higher than round 5 on RB. Team has too many other holes at more important positions.
If not WR in round 1, I'd snag Polk from Wash in round 2 or 3. Huge game this week takes him a bit out from Odunze's shadow, but at 6'2" has good size and emerging talent.
Right now per Tankathon we are picking 4th, and our best healthy QB on the roster is Tommy DeVito. Pretty high chance now we're going to be picking in the top 5. While Williams and Maye seem set to get first and second (in that order) if we're picking fourth, and the Bears don't want to move down that far, we could be in position to trade up to number two. And that's assuming the Bears definitely 100% want to move on from Fields, which I suspect they will, although that is not 100% definite.
At this point now, with a 2-6 record, the situation we're in, and a pretty tough schedule the rest of the way, we could easily finish the year something like 3-14. I think we have a pretty decent chance of getting one of these two top QBs if we're willing to move up a couple of spots, which we damn well better be if we think they're both franchise QBs.
Draft cornerback/safeties who can tackle and cover man to man.
same as always. Oline. Pass rusher. WR. at this point we need to draft a qb whether its a future starter or a solid backup. tyrod is old and fragile. apparently they have 0 trust in devito. unless gano gets it together we are gonna need a new kicker. probably another TE as waller seems like he's going to be a short term option. we arent giving bellinger any type of chance. and him being the only TE option yesterday when waller was VERY questionable... dont get me started.
I hope the priority is to fix the oline.
Thinking QB in the 1st round and after that a pass rusher or DT in the 2nd.
Use FA to get the olinemen they need.
Quote from: cycler on October 30, 2023, 07:19:50 AMDraft cornerback/safeties who can tackle and cover man to man.
We have them. Winks mistake yesterday was to rely on Jackson when it counted. He isn't worth what they are paying him.
Quote from: Philosophers on October 29, 2023, 07:28:39 PMI was not talking about Waller but just in general. I like the Waller pickup.
Waller was injured a lot the last two years. He plays an exceedingly physical brand of football, which leads to him giving and receiving hellacious hits.
That's why this was just a matter of time. Plus, unless Hyatt improves his football IQ, that will prove to be a negligible draft pick.
There was more hope than realism that went into the receiving corps.
The elephant in the room: completely overhaul the O-line - new coach, new guards, legit RT, etc. Maybe Neal would excel inside, or maybe he becomes a swing tackle...(the OL coach though, is our biggest problem IMO)
We need a consistent ER across from Kayvon...one who stays healthy
Special teams needs a new coach - period!
Amazing things will happen once the offensive line is a force that can blow holes for a ground game, while also be a dancing concrete wall to give the QB plenty of time to utilize our offensive players. A good Special Teams also keeps the ball in favorable position, which seems to allude us
Like someone said earlier, we're in year two of a complete rebuild. We got out hopes up after last year's solid season, and then they gave us one of the most difficult schedules - and a bunch of games under the lights for prime viewership, where the Giants have always struggled. Yesterday's game was a joke in which we played with a third string QB in pouring rain, and many starters on IR. We have some very good pieces to the puzzle to build around. We don't want to throw away the baby with the bath water. We need to have patience...and I'm preaching to myself here
Sounds like the Giants will need a ton going into year three of the rebuild. Ouch
The defense is in pretty darn good shape. Of course things should be added. A competent QB that doesn't force the defense to stop the other team all day will do wonders. Find the QB. That is priority 1-10.