Granted the Bears own both picks
Panthers (1-7)
Bears (2-7)
In the short term, a Bears win is better. But I think Chicago has more games they'll probably win so a Panthers win might be better.
Panthers as Bears likely win a few more games. Panthers might not win another game
Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on November 09, 2023, 02:22:29 PMIn the short term, a Bears win is better. But I think Chicago has more games they'll probably win so a Panthers win might be better.
I expect the Bears to pick up another win or two so rooting for the Panthers tonight
Tough call! A bears win puts the Giants ahead likely for good in the race for #2 but also kinda eliminates them from contention for #1. A Panthers win muddies up waters and anything is in play. I could rooting for either side but since I believe Caleb williams is the clear QB1 I would say I'm probably rooting for the Panthers in the hopes the Giants can get in the game for the #1 pick.
Don't forget, the Commanders own the Bears' second-round pick.
Panthers. They have a shot because Fields is doubtful. That makes both picks with 2 wins and the Bears probably won't want a QB and would trade out for more picks. The Giants have a connection. It might give the Panthers and Young some confidence to squeak out another win or two because it looks like they won't win another game this year. I do think AZ has a tough schedule and their best chance is the next two games. The Giants beat them head to head so I doubt the Giants get the number one pick. Doesn't matter because I don't see the Giants picking Caleb unless Mara gives full autonomy to Schoen.
Bears trod their way 16-13. Bryce Young just awful..errant..no feel..hmm. He doesn't like to stand in the pocket and smallish. No clue against zone. :boooo:
Quote from: spiderblue43 on November 09, 2023, 11:10:44 PMBears trod their way 16-13. Bryce Young just awful..errant..no feel..hmm. He doesn't like to stand in the pocket and smallish. No clue against zone. :boooo:
So the #1 pick from last year's draft, that the Panthers traded away picks to get, was at least matched by a rookie UDFA from a division II school.
Cannot feel good if you are Carolina's decision makers.
The Master of the Universe who bought the Panthers assumed that since he was smarter than most in financial markets he'd be smarter than most in football. He's learning the hard way that that's not so obviously the case.
Quote from: Ed Vette on November 09, 2023, 03:03:14 PMPanthers. They have a shot because Fields is doubtful. That makes both picks with 2 wins and the Bears probably won't want a QB and would trade out for more picks. The Giants have a connection. It might give the Panthers and Young some confidence to squeak out another win or two because it looks like they won't win another game this year. I do think AZ has a tough schedule and their best chance is the next two games. The Giants beat them head to head so I doubt the Giants get the number one pick. Doesn't matter because I don't see the Giants picking Caleb unless Mara gives full autonomy to Schoen.
Not so sure about that. Fields hasnt made the kind of progress in year 3 that makes you say he's definitely the guy. Why not pick a QB at #1 and trade the 2nd pick, or even draft a difference maker at another position?
Quote from: uconnjack8 on November 10, 2023, 08:42:03 AMNot so sure about that. Fields hasnt made the kind of progress in year 3 that makes you say he's definitely the guy. Why not pick a QB at #1 and trade the 2nd pick, or even draft a difference maker at another position?
They have a new GM and they may indeed fall in love with Williams, Maye, or both, and decide to bail on Fields, but I don't know that that's a definite given. Fair point about the lack of upward ascension in year three, but I would put it at like 65/35 right now myself (in favor of them drafting a QB). I don't think it's obvious (and I fully realize you're not saying it is).
Quote from: uconnjack8 on November 10, 2023, 08:42:03 AMNot so sure about that. Fields hasnt made the kind of progress in year 3 that makes you say he's definitely the guy. Why not pick a QB at #1 and trade the 2nd pick, or even draft a difference maker at another position?
I think it depends on how he finishes the season. If he plays like he did against Washington and Denver, then they may decide to keep him. I agree that this is his pivotal year.
Ed,
I listen to Bears radio a lot and plenty want Fields gone. It may be a forgone conclusion regardless of how he plays.
He was erratic and regressing before his injury and never demonstrated pocket oresence and consistency.
If the Bears have #1 or 2 pick courtesy of the Panthers; I think they take a qb..move Fields.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on November 10, 2023, 09:57:25 AMEd,
I listen to Bears radio a lot and plenty want Fields gone. It may be a forgone conclusion regardless of how he plays.
He was erratic and regressing before his injury and never demonstrated pocket oresence and consistency.
If the Bears have #1 or 2 pick courtesy of the Panthers; I think they take a qb..move Fields.
I didn't know he was that unpopular. With two picks it's a plausible theory. Especially when they have an excellent rushing attack.
Unless Fields lights it up when he returns, I think they will be in the market for a QB.
They'll look at the mess the Giants are in and won't pay him in the hope that he kicks on and makes progress. By the end of year 3, you're likely what you are.
With that said, I hope Fields does progress so they take Marvin Harrison and leave the QBs for everyone else.
FWIW (and I appreciate it's not much), I have a fairly good friend who is a die-hard Bears fan, and he thinks they'll keep Fields and trade down with at least one pick (if they're picking 1 and 2). He doesn't have any inside connection to the team but he's pretty on top of the beat reporters etc, and that's the word apparently. Admittedly nothing is concrete. Far from it. But that's the view that he and other Bears fans apparently have. The organization apparently likes Fields a lot, and the realization is that the payoff for moving down a few spots with both of those picks would be so absurdly immense that the only way you pass that up is if you really think Fields just doesn't have it. Which they don't.
Personally, if it were me, I'd take Williams, trade down with the second pick, and trade Fields. But it's not clear they're going to do that.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 11, 2023, 09:51:06 AMFWIW (and I appreciate it's not much), I have a fairly good friend who is a die-hard Bears fan, and he thinks they'll keep Fields and trade down with at least one pick (if they're picking 1 and 2). He doesn't have any inside connection to the team but he's pretty on top of the beat reporters etc, and that's the word apparently. Admittedly nothing is concrete. Far from it. But that's the view that he and other Bears fans apparently have. The organization apparently likes Fields a lot, and the realization is that the payoff for moving down a few spots with both of those picks would be so absurdly immense that the only way you pass that up is if you really think Fields just doesn't have it. Which they don't.
Personally, if it were me, I'd take Williams, trade down with the second pick, and trade Fields. But it's not clear they're going to do that.
If it were me, I would do what the 2004 Chargers did and draft a QB at #1 and sit him (I know they actually drafted a different QB) behind the incumbent.
Of course that's without trading the QB, but I could see a similar situation happening though.