By end of last year we thought we might be a +\- 0.500 team with a clear path to getting to the playoffs say in 2024.
Are we a full on reconstruction project now with virtually no pieces to build on and a management/coaching staff on a seat hearing up quickly?
It's one thing to lose but not quit but there seems to be no fight left with the team. That's on the head coach. Is Dabs too much of a player's coach?
This year we're as bad as anyone in the league. We're dead last in DVOA, but you don't need any metric to see how bad we are if you watch the games. I think injuries are part of the equation, but I also think last year's record belied reality with our team.
I certainly think we're in need of a "rebuild", but we have some foundational pieces I would prefer not to part with. Thomas, Lawrence, and Thibodeaux are among them. It's not a very long list.
I am inclined to give Daboll/Schoen at least one more year after this year, but I think there are potentially some coordinators and other staff members (training/medical) who need to be replaced.
I think there is a hell of a lot more to playing winning football than the QB position, but I think no single player is more important than the QB, and I am hoping we are able to address that issue in the offseason. I do not believe Jones is the QB of this team's future, and I don't need another season to see that. If they like a QB in this draft that they are able to obtain (either by picking him directly or by moving up to do so), I very much hope they do it. If they get that pick right, while that obviously will not solve all this team's problems, I believe it will help the franchise immensely over the longer haul.
Get a real QB on this team and the turnaround will be fast and furious. The Texans won 3 games last year and are heading to the playoffs thanks to Stroud. I don't know if there are going to be any QBs THAT good right out of the gate next season, but if the Giants get even 75% of that from their new QB they'll be in wild card contention.
How bad are the Giants? The Giants are so bad that skunks hold their noses when the Giants 'play'.
How Bad Are The Giants?
So bad I rather watch Gease 2, than an entire Giants game.
Grease 2 was not that bad
Who's thar guy
Were going to bowl tonight
Girl for all seasons
Granted I don't watch much college football but I'm not convinced that the current Giants team with DeVito at QB would beat a Georgia or Michigan or Ohio State. One or more of them may have more overall talent especially if Andrew Thomas and/or Thibs are out. I have never thought a college team could compete with a pro team.
I fully expected a drop off this season after last, but I didn't expect this wholesale collapse.
But right here, right now, from what I've seen, we're the worst team in the league and one of the worst Giants teams ever.
Judge/Glennon/Fromm bad.
Granted, we've suffered an "everything that could go wrong did go wrong" level of injuries, but our lack of depth and, it appears, poor preparation for the season, have been horribly exposed.
We need an overhaul of epic proportions and the worst thing that is currently happening is the success of Houston.
This will give us some wholly unrealistic, dhort term, expectations if/when we draft a QB in 24.
They are this bad!!
What is McKethan doing??
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The Giants have scored the least amount of points and have given up more points than any other team in the League. That's bad.
Quote from: Ed Vette on November 15, 2023, 10:11:35 PMThe Giants have scored the least amount of points and have given up more points than any other team in the League. That's bad.
Commanders have given up more but in no way does that negate your point.
The Giants' point differential is by far the worst team in the league. We're last in DVOA and have been all year.
We're the worst team in the NFL. And by a very significant margin.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 15, 2023, 10:31:03 PMCommanders have given up more but in no way does that negate your point.
The Giants' point differential is by far the worst team in the league. We're last in DVOA and have been all year.
We're the worst team in the NFL.
You're right. They have us beat by 8 points.
So bad they make Leon Spinks seem verbose
Plan 9 from Outer Space reasonable
Milli Vanilli look genuine
Amy Fisher the girl next door
Liberace button-downed. :doh:
1966 bad.
Quote from: files58 on November 16, 2023, 12:05:15 AM1966 bad.
With all due respect, this team is much worse. It is unwatchable.
The 1966 Giants had NO 3rd string QB who spent all of training camp and every day of the regular season practicing with the final roster. His name was Tom Kennedy and he was plucked from the minor leagues and signed in early November.
The offense never went into hibernation and they were downright competitive in most games.
With 3 weeks to go in their abysmal season they played the defending Eastern Conference Champion Cleveland Browns on the road, leading until the last 2 minutes before falling 49 - 40.
Their last game of the season was against the Dallas Cowboys, the Eastern Conference Champions that year. The last game of a miserable season. They lost 17 - 7, a game not decided until the last 7 minutes.
I see no such fire in this years team.
The 1966 Giants had a 40 man roster and lost 13 players alone during the year. They suffered terribly from putrid drafts of the past.
The very next season, 1967, with the addition of basically Fran Tarkenton and the return of the injured players they righted the ship and finished 7 - 7.
Right now, at this point in time, the 2023 are alone as the absolute WORST Giant team in history.
We shall see with the softer side of our schedule ahead just how good Mr. Daboll and his 22 assistant coaches are in reality. Can we be competitive ?? Will the youth on this team develop and show a glimmer of being real NFL talent ?? Do they offer any hope for the immediate future with their play ??
The 1966 Giants and their season was frustratingly depressing.
The 2023 Giants and their HC and his mysterious decisions in very winnable games have reached a level so low I can not think of a word for it.
An added fact, the 1966 Giants had a HC and 6 assistant coaches, all on the sidelines. Wellinton Mara himself from his box would take Polaroid snapshots of opposing teams formations and send them to the sidelines in a weighted sock.
Quote from: Gmo11 on November 13, 2023, 01:59:34 PMGet a real QB on this team and the turnaround will be fast and furious. The Texans won 3 games last year and are heading to the playoffs thanks to Stroud. I don't know if there are going to be any QBs THAT good right out of the gate next season, but if the Giants get even 75% of that from their new QB they'll be in wild card contention.
It is not a guarantee that drafting a so called franchise QB that the team will turn around so quickly. The Panthers had the first pick in last year's draft and drafted what they thought was the best choice at QB. They have the worst record in the NFL and gave up their first pick this up coming draft.
The 49ers QB was the last person drafted last year
Quote from: Philosophers on November 13, 2023, 01:26:39 PMBy end of last year we thought we might be a +\- 0.500 team with a clear path to getting to the playoffs say in 2024.
Are we a full on reconstruction project now with virtually no pieces to build on and a management/coaching staff on a seat hearing up quickly?
It's one thing to lose but not quit but there seems to be no fight left with the team. That's on the head coach. Is Dabs too much of a player's coach?
I don't think the players have quit yet. I just think they are that bad. The only murmurs around quitting/losing the dressing room stem from McKinney, a guy who decided to go ATVing during the offseason and injury himself. So I'm not 100% convinced I trust his judgement/opinion.
I think there is a great deal of frustration on both sides of the ball. When (and it's not happened in the last two weeks) the D gets a stop and get off the field, the offense puts them right back in. The offense can't get their play makers the ball, Barkley can't pick up short yards - so I think both sides of the ball are utterly frustrated.
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on November 16, 2023, 01:08:56 AMIt is not a guarantee that drafting a so called franchise QB that the team will turn around so quickly. The Panthers had the first pick in last year's draft and drafted what they thought was the best choice at QB. They have the worst record in the NFL and gave up their first pick this up coming draft.
The 49ers QB was the last person drafted last year
Yes, I think everyone understands the perils of the draft. But what's the other option, stand pat and hope that Jones a) kicks on and finally progresses into something more than middling to average and b) can stay on the field?
The Giants have made their bed. They now have to get out of it as soon as possible. Nobody is saying a new QB fixes anything. What most can realise is that Jones isn't the answer and things need to improve.
A quick check shows the New Jersey Giants rank 29th in offense, 31st in defense, 32nd in passing and, wonder of wonders, 12th in rushing. Rushing = Barkley. One man.
I don't think it matters where the Giants start in trying to improve those figures. Any improvement would be welcome.
Any.
Go, Big Blue!
They're flat out playing at a level that's the worst in the NFL. You don't need to look at stats or rankings to know this.
They're so bad that birds fly upside down over the Meadowlands.
Quote from: Torus34 on November 16, 2023, 06:12:10 AMA quick check shows the New Jersey Giants rank 29th in offense, 31st in defense, 32nd in passing and, wonder of wonders, 12th in rushing. Rushing = Barkley. One man.
The Giants are dead last in offense. You need to sort by YPG not total yards with other teams already having their bye week.
With that we are 14th in rushing and 27th in total D.
Quote from: TDToomer on November 16, 2023, 10:37:47 AMThe Giants are dead last in offense. You need to sort by YPG not total yards with other teams already having their bye week.
With that we are 14th in rushing and 27th in total D.
A head coach who cannot get them to compete and play hard and now with Schoen has no plan to replace DeVito at QB. It is time to stop being a player's coach and start kicking some a$$.
Quote from: Philosophers on November 16, 2023, 11:00:42 AMA head coach who cannot get them to compete and play hard and now with Schoen has no plan to replace DeVito at QB. It is time to stop being a player's coach and start kicking some a$$.
Devito should start every single game the rest of the way regardless of if Taylor gets cleared to play. He's the easiest path to Caleb Williams or Drake Maye. That is not the one and only focus/goal of the season. Making SURE they end up in position to get to the top of the draft. If Thomas wan't to rest his ankle even better. If Dexter Lawrence has cramps...get him outta there. 2023 is a lost season but 2024 doesn't have to be.
Quote from: Philosophers on November 16, 2023, 11:00:42 AMA head coach who cannot get them to compete and play hard and now with Schoen has no plan to replace DeVito at QB. It is time to stop being a player's coach and start kicking some a$$.
Not sure what this has to do with my post that you quoted. :what:
Quote from: TDToomer on November 16, 2023, 10:37:47 AMThe Giants are dead last in offense. You need to sort by YPG not total yards with other teams already having their bye week.
With that we are 14th in rushing and 27th in total D.
Hi, TDToomer.
I agree. Even with that adjustment, though, the Giants don't come off as all that good. Thus far, they've a QB who has taken sack after sack and remained ready for the next snap. That's progress of a sort.
Regards.
Go, Big Blue!
Quote from: Torus34 on November 17, 2023, 06:36:44 AMHi, TDToomer.
I agree. Even with that adjustment, though, the Giants don't come off as all that good. Thus far, they've a QB who has taken sack after sack and remained ready for the next snap. That's progress of a sort.
Regards.
Go, Big Blue!
Not all that good? Yeah it's worse than bad. This is a historically inept offense.