Let's ignore the Giants current draft pick and just assume it's No. 1 overall. How much draft capital would it cost (I don't look at the point system, I am asking you folks) for Giants to trade for No. 2 overall pick? 2 future number 1s and and a 2nd?
We need the capital and it would
never happen but imagine getting the QB and Harrison Jr in the same draft?
I think that's what you'd call mortgaging the farm.
Quote from: MagicRat on November 14, 2023, 11:44:57 PMI think that's what you'd call mortgaging the farm.
Yes and no. It's really just a trade for a number one, you're just getting next year's pick now.
Curious what you'd think it would take to even do that.
Too much to realistically consider. Especially since that team would either need a QB so they'd take QB2 this year who's likely to have an excellent grade or if they don't need a QB a team that does would he offering a top five pick and more which the Giants wouldn't be able to offer in that scenario.
My guess is the price would start at both 2nd rounders this year and the next two 1st round picks. But probably ends up even higher. The Giants aren't good enough to give up all those picks.
I would take 2 Qbs before I took a Qb and a Wr. Look I don't know how many times it's been said but you either have an elite guy or you don't. So If we have 2 top 2 picks in a top 3 Qb draft in the past 25 years I'm taking 2 Qbs, letting the best one win the job and then trading the other after camp to recoup the capital.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 15, 2023, 07:55:37 AMI would take 2 Qbs before I took a Qb and a Wr. Look I don't know how many times it's been said but you either have an elite guy or you don't. So If we have 2 top 2 picks in a top 3 Qb draft in the past 25 years I'm taking 2 Qbs, letting the best one win the job and then trading the other after camp to recoup the capital.
Agreed. 100%. In most realistic scenarios, only one of the two QBs will be elite in the pros. And god forbid you draft two elite QBs you're in an incredible position as a franchise with the leverage you'd have.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 15, 2023, 08:09:10 AMAgreed. 100%. In most realistic scenarios, only one of the two QBs will be elite in the pros. And god forbid you draft two elite QBs you're in an incredible position as a franchise with the leverage you'd have.
I can't believe you both would do that. The Giants would have a QB controversy for three years. One might bust so that's a wasted pick and burning two more firsts and a second.
The trade up is an interesting scenario and the trade partner would have to be a team not needing a QB and at the beginning stages of a rebuild. Could be AZ.
So what would be better for the Giants? Trade up for Maye and MHJ or trade down and get two Oline an edge and maybe a Daniels falls in your lap?
Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 15, 2023, 07:55:37 AMI would take 2 Qbs before I took a Qb and a Wr. Look I don't know how many times it's been said but you either have an elite guy or you don't. So If we have 2 top 2 picks in a top 3 Qb draft in the past 25 years I'm taking 2 Qbs, letting the best one win the job and then trading the other after camp to recoup the capital.
Interesting proposition at first. But you can't play them both. One will get more reps and experience than the other. They will develop at different rates. The offensive chemistry will be different with each of them.
If you don't trust the GM and HC to pick one right QB, how can you trust them twice?
Quote from: Ed Vette on November 15, 2023, 08:26:28 AMI can't believe you both would do that. The Giants would have a QB controversy for three years. One might bust so that's a wasted pick and burning two more firsts and a second.
The trade up is an interesting scenario and the trade partner would have to be a team not needing a QB and at the beginning stages of a rebuild. Could be AZ.
So what would be better for the Giants? Trade up for Maye and MHJ or trade down and get two Oline an edge and maybe a Daniels falls in your lap?
Say the Giants get the number 1 overall pick with the bears #2, Patriots #3, and the Cardinals #4. The only one likely going Qb are the patriots and if they are sold on Williams and I know Arizona desperately needs A legit Wr as does the Bears. I'm calling Arizona and telling them they can move up to 1 for Harrison for their #4 and #20 pick. My ideal draft with those picks.
#4 I am taking Maye or Mccarthy
#20 I am taking one of Laiatu Latu or Chop Robinson to replace Ojulari
1st 2nd rd pick I am taking Taliese Fuaga RT Oregon st
2nd 2nd rd pick Blake Corum or Tre Benson at RB
3rd rd Tre Harris Wr Ole Miss to complete the Trifecta at Wr.
Quote from: T200 on November 15, 2023, 09:05:56 AMInteresting proposition at first. But you can't play them both. One will get more reps and experience than the other. They will develop at different rates. The offensive chemistry will be different with each of them.
If you don't trust the GM and HC to pick one right QB, how can you trust them twice?
I trust them, I was just saying in this hypothetical were we have #1 and #2 I'm taking both Qbs and having another team pay me a ransom post draft to get one of them.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 15, 2023, 09:08:56 AMI trust them, I was just saying in this hypothetical were we have #1 and #2 I'm taking both Qbs and having another team pay me a ransom post draft to get one of them.
Dangerous game. It could come back to bite you. Only a handful of teams need QBs and they could certainly wait you out because you can only play one.
And if the one you keep turns out to be a bust, you're royally screwed.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 15, 2023, 09:08:56 AMI trust them, I was just saying in this hypothetical were we have #1 and #2 I'm taking both Qbs and having another team pay me a ransom post draft to get one of them.
:hmm:
If we loved another QB and traded back to get him and landed a haul of 1st - 3rd draft picks that would be huge.
This team is in dire need a franchise QB. It would turn the entire trajectory of the team around. You don't pass that up. IN fact, you trade up to get that. Especially with how good the top of this QB class is. Put another way, would you not do the Eli trade again if you had the chance? I know I would.
Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on November 15, 2023, 09:14:25 PMThis team is in dire need a franchise QB. It would turn the entire trajectory of the team around. You don't pass that up. IN fact, you trade up to get that. Especially with how good the top of this QB class is. Put another way, would you not do the Eli trade again if you had the chance? I know I would.
Probably, just because I wouldn't want to change Giants history, but I think one could make a pretty good argument that Big Ben was the better QB, and he also one two SBs (and made it to a third).
Ben the rapist would have been shipped out of NY when that happened. NY doesn't treat its sports teams like college towns do.
Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on November 15, 2023, 09:33:56 PMBen the rapist would have been shipped out of NY when that happened. NY doesn't treat its sports teams like college towns do.
True. We definitely wouldn't want to have two all time great ex-Giants be rapists.
Media environment around these issues is a bit different these days.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 15, 2023, 09:39:53 PMTrue. We definitely wouldn't want to have two all time great ex-Giants be rapists.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 15, 2023, 09:39:53 PMTrue. We definitely wouldn't want to have two all time great ex-Giants be rapists.
Meggett?
Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 16, 2023, 12:00:40 PMThink he was referring to LT
LT did not forcibly rape anyone. His conviction was sex with a prostitute who he did not know was under 18. Complete different from what Big Ben was accused of and what Meggett was convicted of.
But they were all awful things.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 15, 2023, 09:08:56 AMI trust them, I was just saying in this hypothetical were we have #1 and #2 I'm taking both Qbs and having another team pay me a ransom post draft to get one of them.
and if no one ponies up, and they both suck? man.. thats a 5 year hole right there.
Quote from: B1GBLUE on November 16, 2023, 04:06:15 PMand if no one ponies up, and they both suck? man.. thats a 5 year hole right there.
As opposed to the bad Qb and hole we are already in?
At least taking two you are giving your franchise a chance. Instead of banging their heads against the rock that is Jones for a couple more seasons.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 16, 2023, 04:08:50 PMAs opposed to the bad Qb and hole we are already in?
At least taking two you are giving your franchise a chance. Instead of banging their heads against the rock that is Jones for a couple more seasons.
just to add to the crazy, what if jones lights it up next year? now you got an incumbent qb already under contract, and 2 guys no one really knows if they are gonna be anything? idk. just seems like too many what if's.
Jones is a bad QB. He's not going to lit it up. His best season, the Giants were still last in the league in explosive passing plays. The entire draft is what ifs. You take the best information you have and make the most sensical move. The most sensical move is to draft a QB you think can be a top QB. We know Jones isn't that.
Quote from: B1GBLUE on November 16, 2023, 04:10:12 PMjust to add to the crazy, what if jones lights it up next year? now you got an incumbent qb already under contract, and 2 guys no one really knows if they are gonna be anything? idk. just seems like too many what if's.