The cost to the Giants of one victory in their final seven games could be a franchise quarterback.
The Giants are penciled into the No. 2 pick in the 2024 draft right now, but anything other than a 2-15 record will put the opportunity to select either USC's Caleb Williams or North Carolina's Drake Maye in peril.
What happens if the Giants slide to No. 3 or lower?
The Post asked a handful of NFL sources to evaluate the other first- and second-round projections who could be available:
https://nypost.com/2023/11/15/sports/breaking-down-qb-options-for-giants-after-caleb-williams-drake-maye/
Daniels is going to be QB3 and I think he goes in the top 5. I think McCarthy goes in pick 6-10. I think Nix and Penix are mid to late round picks. I don't think Sanders enters the draft.
I simply can't trust anything the Post writes. Garbage research is what they typically do.
Mel Kiper writes that yet fails to mention that Shedeur decided to buy himself a Rolls Royce or Bentley just a couple months ago with his NIL money. Deion spoke to Tom Brady and asked him about that. Brady's response was Sanders should be spending more time in a film room than looking at expensive cars. Shedeur said that Brady has one. Brady said he did not get one until long after he was deep into his NFL career with his GOAT status achieved. What does that tell you about Shadeur? I like him but I think there's a lot of room for maturity growth.
His dad has already said he's going back to school. I also don't think he's nearly ready. He can go back to school and be a top 10 pick in a much weaker QB draft the following season.
I like Sanders a lot. Ewers reminds me of Josh Allen without the mobility in that he is really raw and can chunk it but doesn't have touch yet really. People are still sleeping on Mccarthy, the kid is surgical. Daniels has 3 first round picks at Wr and a day 2 TE. He scares me.
Mel Kiper is a hairdo and very little else. If I was arsed to care, I'd look back on what he said about Josh Allen before they picked him 7, but its probably the same crap every one else was saying.
Maye and Williams will be top 3 picks. Someone will do with Daniels like they did with Richardson and other QBs who jump off the screen and select him higher. But after that. It wouldnt shock me to say a QB wont get between pick 10-25. You may see teams late in the draft trade back in or take a guy. But this "historic" class has a lot of question marks.
We are at a luxury then because I'd take 5 of those kids over what we have currently as it can't be any worse.
To be fair, Josh Allen was not viewed as a sure thing at all. He had a cannon for an arm, but was really inaccurate in college and was bad every time he played a big time school. He was all projection. A ton of people were wrong about him.
Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on November 16, 2023, 01:18:04 PMTo be fair, Josh Allen was not viewed as a sure thing at all. He had a cannon for an arm, but was really inaccurate in college and was bad every time he played a big time school. He was all projection. A ton of people were wrong about him.
Yup. The consensus (not saying everyone here, but just the overall consensus) higher on Darnold, Mayfield and Rosen that year than they were on Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson.
As I stated in other posts, I would be very happy with Daniels, Penix, or McCarthy if Williams and Maye area already gone. All three will be top ten picks. All of them exhibit special traits, all are accurate throwers and have great to great arm talent. McCarthy might fall of the top ten if he bombs against Ohio State, but Daniels will probably be QB3 by the end of the combine.
Quote from: Philosophers on November 15, 2023, 04:05:21 PMI simply can't trust anything the Post writes. Garbage research is what they typically do.
Mel Kiper writes that yet fails to mention that Shedeur decided to buy himself a Rolls Royce or Bentley just a couple months ago with his NIL money. Deion spoke to Tom Brady and asked him about that. Brady's response was Sanders should be spending more time in a film room than looking at expensive cars. Shedeur said that Brady has one. Brady said he did not get one until long after he was deep into his NFL career with his GOAT status achieved. What does that tell you about Shadeur? I like him but I think there's a lot of room for maturity growth.
It tells me that unlike Brady he was raised in a wealthy home and doesn't understand why, if he can afford it, why anyone should care what he drives. It's not 1998 anymore. Top college quarterbacks are making $1 million plus a year in NIL money. It really isn't a big deal. It's like a top draft pick in MLB driving a Porsche 911 in the minor leagues. The only people who wag their nose at it is guys who never had that luxury, or guys who want to but can't afford one themselves.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 15, 2023, 10:06:26 PMI like Sanders a lot. Ewers reminds me of Josh Allen without the mobility in that he is really raw and can chunk it but doesn't have touch yet really. People are still sleeping on Mccarthy, the kid is surgical. Daniels has 3 first round picks at Wr and a day 2 TE. He scares me.
You could have said the same thing of Joe Burrow and CJ Stroud, right? He scares me a bit because he isn't an elite passer but neither are Lamar Hackson and Jalen Hurts, two guys who would be massive improvements over Jones.
I loved Rosen and Lamar. Hated Josh Allen and Baker. Was ok with Darnold. For us, if we weren't taking a QB, I wanted a trade back. I would have done what the Colts did. Hated the Barkley pick.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 16, 2023, 01:32:19 PMYup. The consensus (not saying everyone here, but just the overall consensus) higher on Darnold, Mayfield and Rosen that year than they were on Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson.
Quote from: madbadger on November 16, 2023, 01:39:27 PMIt tells me that unlike Brady he was raised in a wealthy home and doesn't understand why, if he can afford it, why anyone should care what he drives. It's not 1998 anymore. Top college quarterbacks are making $1 million plus a year in NIL money. It really isn't a big deal. It's like a top draft pick in MLB driving a Porsche 911 in the minor leagues. The only people who wag their nose at it is guys who never had that luxury, or guys who want to but can't afford one themselves.
It totally matters. What it means is a high percentage of his net worth is tied up in a depreciating asset. Stupid. He has not even gotten to his first NFL contract which if he gets drafted in 2nd round or after won't be guaranteed and will be much less. He might just never develop into more than an NFL backup. Decisions like are why athletes go bankrupt. See Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, and hundreds of football players.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 15, 2023, 10:06:26 PMI like Sanders a lot. Ewers reminds me of Josh Allen without the mobility in that he is really raw and can chunk it but doesn't have touch yet really. People are still sleeping on Mccarthy, the kid is surgical. Daniels has 3 first round picks at Wr and a day 2 TE. He scares me.
I also wonder how good Daniels is given how talented his WRs are. JJ has Roman Wilson who is at best a 3rd round draft pick. While I love his heart and effort, Wilson does not have NFL athleticism.
Glad to know every decision you made at a really young man was perfect. /sarcasm/
Phil,
I don't see why a 20 year old buying a sports car means he'll be a bad NFL QB. I know you didn't say that explicitly, but you seem to view it as a major red flag in terms of scouting him. Many kids that age do frivolous things and plenty mature more over time. Buying a Maybach as a 20 year old is hardly that high on the list of mistakes kids that age make, if it's even a mistake. Why does it mean he won't be a good QB? Johnny Unitas made some terrible financial decisions and was forced into bankruptcy. He's a top 5 QB of all time. I just don't get the correlation.
I would further add that since Deion Sanders is fairly rich (estimated net worth of $45mm), Shadeur stands to likely inherit plenty of money someday. So while one may frown on the flashiness of a young person having an expensive car, I would say he can easily afford it, and even if he has a middling or worse NFL career he's not going to be in the poorhouse.
Quote from: Philosophers on November 16, 2023, 01:56:55 PMIt totally matters. What it means is a high percentage of his net worth is tied up in a depreciating asset. Stupid. He has not even gotten to his first NFL contract which if he gets drafted in 2nd round or after won't be guaranteed and will be much less. He might just never develop into more than an NFL backup. Decisions like are why athletes go bankrupt. See Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, and hundreds of football players.
Isn't that his problem and not something that is any of our business? Don't care how my quarterback invests his money. I care if he can score points and lead my offense. Everything outside of that is nothing but white noise.
Quote from: madbadger on November 16, 2023, 02:20:14 PMIsn't that his problem and not something that is any of our business? Don't care how my quarterback invests his money. I care if he can score points and lead my offense. Everything outside of that is nothing but white noise.
I would further argue that elite college athletes have been getting things like sports cars and under the table cash for years. Many surely have who went on to spectacular careers. Boosters have done all kinds of things behind the scenes for these kids since time immemorial. If anything, I would argue that Shadeur's purchase of a car with his own legitimately, legally earned, taxed income is a lot better than a lot of shady stuff that has happened in the past. Bottom line I don't think there is any real correlation here. I guess the argument Phil is making is that it speaks to his character or his intelligence, but I would not really agree there myself. He's a young guy with a lot of confidence who has already made a lot of money and happens to have a rich Dad. I don't really have a problem with him buying an expensive material possession. To me that doesn't mean he'll be good or bad.
So, what were those options again? ::)
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 16, 2023, 02:24:51 PMI would further argue that elite college athletes have been getting things like sports cars and under the table cash for years. Many surely have who went on to spectacular careers. Boosters have done all kinds of things behind the scenes for these kids since time immemorial. If anything, I would argue that Shadeur's purchase of a car with his own legitimately, legally earned, taxed income is a lot better than a lot of shady stuff that has happened in the past. Bottom line I don't think there is any real correlation here. I guess the argument Phil is making is that it speaks to his character or his intelligence, but I would not really agree there myself. He's a young guy with a lot of confidence who has already made a lot of money and happens to have a rich Dad. I don't really have a problem with him buying an expensive material possession. To me that doesn't mean he'll be good or bad.
Here's the thing we don't know about his Bentley. He could have gotten it as as an in kind payment for making personal appearances and signing memorabilia for the dealer. He might not have paid cash for it.
There are a ton of professional athletes that a dominant at their profession and absolutely idiotic investors. Sucks for them long term but that isn't my primary concern as a fan.
It's a problem for us if he becomes a Giants QB.
Read this:
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/generational-wealth%3A-why-do-70-of-families-lose-their-wealth-in-the-2nd-generation-2018-10?amp
Next gen following wealth creation are not driven to succeed like their predecessor family member generation who created the wealth.
There is so much statistical evidence about this.
Quote from: Philosophers on November 16, 2023, 01:59:07 PMI also wonder how good Daniels is given how talented his WRs are. JJ has Roman Wilson who is at best a 3rd round draft pick. While I love his heart and effort, Wilson does not have NFL athleticism.
Chicken and egg situation: do Daniels' receivers make him look good or does Daniels make his receivers look good?
Quote from: madbadger on November 16, 2023, 01:44:08 PMYou could have said the same thing of Joe Burrow and CJ Stroud, right? He scares me a bit because he isn't an elite passer but neither are Lamar Hackson and Jalen Hurts, two guys who would be massive improvements over Jones.
What I was referring to is whether Daniels is Hendon Hooker or Joe Burrow. Is he elite with elite talent or is he ok with elite talent.
Daniels looks great to me. I think his athletic ability is off the charts. I think he's Lamar with a little bit better accuracy. I think Hooker would have been a first round pick last year if he didn't tear his ACL.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 16, 2023, 04:17:33 PMWhat I was referring to is whether Daniels is Hendon Hooker or Joe Burrow. Is he elite with elite talent or is he ok with elite talent.
I love Hookers game and the school is still out on if he is good or great with great receivers.
I saw Jayden Daniels in arguably his worst 2023 game against Florida State and he still looked good to me.
Honestly, I have not seen enough of Daniels to have a clear view one way or the other but as far as the other QBs, I am not completely sold on any of them. I see traits I like.