Caleb Williams is reportedly "undecided" on if this Saturday's game against UCLA will be his final game as a Trojan.
Williams said he's still undecided on playing in USC's bowl game as well, but did say if he was staying at USC, he "wouldn't not" be out there and playing.
Williams reportedly plans to spend time over Thanksgiving week evaluating his options with his family.
Williams father did say earlier this season that Caleb could return to school if he doesn't like the "situations" available in the current draft.
If Williams was to defer until the 2025 NFL Draft, that would leave Drake Maye atop the 2024 board.
The Trojans QB's decision could shake up the ENTIRE NFL landscape 😳
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Jaxson Dart is staying another year in college. The 12 team playoff starting next season has players intrigued.
That would be the Giants luck.
I might have a date with Heidi Klum later today as well.
Maybe the Giants being one of the teams in the hunt is the reason why he's considering waiting it out.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 18, 2023, 07:11:55 AMMaybe the Giants being one of the teams in the hunt is the reason why he's considering waiting it out.
Or the Bears. He seems immature, quite frankly, but he hasn't shown being adverse to the bright lights. Maybe he wants to stay on the west coast (Rams?).. :-??
Maybe he is evaluating OLs of teams that might draft him.
If he believes he's at an NFL level he will have more years to earn by entering now. So his hesitation shows he's looking for the best situations for teams that will enhance his career. There is some doubt that he will be the top pick this year and there shouldn't be any next year. Could be that too.
He comes up small in big games. He wants a % of ownership in his team. He jumps in his mother's arms and cries like a baby after a loss. He isn't just happy to be drafted high, he wants to control the landing.
A lot of red flags.
Personally, despite this report and despite the fact that these may be legitimate direct quotes, I would put the odds of Williams not coming out this year at no higher than 5%.
Situations in draft. That means he doesn't want to play for Giants. Same resin Herbert stayed an extra year...they west coast
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Quote from: Woody on November 18, 2023, 01:56:21 PMSituations in draft. That means he doesn't want to play for Giants. Same resin Herbert stayed an extra year...they west coast
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You're speculating.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 18, 2023, 10:50:37 AMPersonally, despite this report and despite the fact that these may be legitimate direct quotes, I would put the odds of Williams not coming out this year at no higher than 5%.
Its extremely unlikely. Herbert is the only recent example of a top QB having the chance to come out but decided to stay back an extra year. And he would have likely been the 1st QB taken and maybe the 1st overall pick had he come out the year before, instead he got lumped in with Tua and Burrow. Regardless of the year, if you're getting picked #1 overall you're going to a pretty lousy team.
Having said that, if the Giants were to earn that pick Williams would be going into about as good of a situation as you can hope to go to for a team with the #1 pick. The Giants are a QB away right from being respectable, and with 2 second round picks plus whatever they do in free agency they could be a great rookie QB away from contending if things break right.
Quote from: Gmo11 on November 18, 2023, 03:46:54 PMIts extremely unlikely. Herbert is the only recent example of a top QB having the chance to come out but decided to stay back an extra year. And he would have likely been the 1st QB taken and maybe the 1st overall pick had he come out the year before, instead he got lumped in with Tua and Burrow. Regardless of the year, if you're getting picked #1 overall you're going to a pretty lousy team.
Having said that, if the Giants were to earn that pick Williams would be going into about as good of a situation as you can hope to go to for a team with the #1 pick. The Giants are a QB away right from being respectable, and with 2 second round picks plus whatever they do in free agency they could be a great rookie QB away from contending if things break right.
A QB away from being a good team . It take more than a QB to make them a good team.
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Quote from: JT39 on November 18, 2023, 07:01:08 AMI might have a date with Heidi Klum later today as well.
Please find out if she has a sister. ;)
Apparently someone correctly advised Caleb that he's not "all THAT" (to employ a phrase from the 20th century).
He absolutely needs another year to deserve high 1st-round consideration IMO.
Plus the personnel is likely to be better next year. It's a team sport.
Bob
Seems like people broadly here do not like Caleb. I personally think he's a top shelf talent and will be a very good, possibly great pro. Of course, I've been wrong about QBs on multiple occasions before and will continue to be. But I have watched him play plenty, and I have consistently really liked what I have seen. One or two less than awesome games isn't going to change my mind.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 20, 2023, 09:22:14 AMSeems like people broadly here do not like Caleb. I personally think he's a top shelf talent and will be a very good, possibly great pro. Of course, I've been wrong about QBs on multiple occasions before and will continue to be. But I have watched him play plenty, and I have consistently really liked what I have seen. One or two less than awesome games isn't going to change my mind.
DB: Maybe, but another year in the minor leagues won't hurt. It didn't hurt Mahomes any. Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on November 20, 2023, 10:32:18 AMDB: Maybe, but another year in the minor leagues won't hurt. It didn't hurt Mahomes any. Bob
Bob,
Not sure I'm following. Both players were in college for three years. Mahomes played in 32 games and then came out as a 21 year old. Williams has already played in 37 games (more by the end of the season) and is already 22.
Seems to me Williams has had no less college seasoning than Mahomes. More, if anything.
It may be worth noting that Mahomes didn't really play as a rookie, but it didn't sound like that was the point you were trying to make, unless I misunderstood your post.
He's a stud. The best QB prospect in this draft to me by a comfortable margin. All the naysayers would likely have been buying his jersey before the end of training camp had the Giants lost out and secured the number 1 pick.
Alas...it was not to be. I'm not really sure what the Giants should do now. Maybe use those picks to try and establish a top flight defense? Maybe try and package a bunch of them to move up 3 spots to take a QB that's not Caleb Williams? Who knows. I do know that what was trending towards being the easiest decision in the world just got a whole lot harder.
Willaims OL is awful this year and his WRs are average at best.
I know he fumbles and plays hero ball a bit too much.... but he is forced too. Look what he can do that is positive. It is something special.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 20, 2023, 09:22:14 AMSeems like people broadly here do not like Caleb. I personally think he's a top shelf talent and will be a very good, possibly great pro. Of course, I've been wrong about QBs on multiple occasions before and will continue to be. But I have watched him play plenty, and I have consistently really liked what I have seen. One or two less than awesome games isn't going to change my mind.
For what it's worth, and admittedly with limited scouting, Caleb seems like a boom or bust type prospect. He has some special abilities (in terms of off-schedule throws) that could make him the best QB in the league. There are some red flags (like his crying in the stands and the like) and there is the question of how good he is as a pocket passer (you need to be a serviceable pocket passer for the improv stuff to matter) that could lead to him being a bust.
To quote the late John Fassel, you are pushing all your chips into the middle of the table if you draft Williams.
I still dont get why crying in the stands with his mom is such a bad thing? Would you rather him blast people over social media? Punch walls after a loss? Break stuff?
I rather someone be with loved on emphasizing over a tough loss and show passion and caring for the outcome than some of these other modern day athletes who dont care whether they win or lose and just get paid.
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 20, 2023, 11:42:56 AMFor what it's worth, and admittedly with limited scouting, Caleb seems like a boom or bust type prospect. He has some special abilities (in terms of off-schedule throws) that could make him the best QB in the league. There are some red flags (like his crying in the stands and the like) and there is the question of how good he is as a pocket passer (you need to be a serviceable pocket passer for the improv stuff to matter) that could lead to him being a bust.
To quote the late John Fassel, you are pushing all your chips into the middle of the table if you draft Williams.
I would gladly take that hand and go all in. If he busts he busts but that's a hand you have to play and go all in with if you can.
I'm not sure what he hopes to gain with the extra week. The top of the NFL draft will not be decided for another 7 weeks. Not to mention a team could always trade up as several have in the last few years. It's a fools errand to try and determine if his main concern is what team is going to draft him. He can't possibly know.
I don't mind a young man taking a step back to contemplate, but the question should not focus around what team might draft him but whether or not another year in college will improve his draft position. It likely won't. I hope he gets sorted out. He's a talented player and while I can forgive him for being young and foolish, he can only play that card once. Stop crying, stop talking to the media, figure out what is best for YOU and be decisive.
Quote from: JT39 on November 20, 2023, 11:49:25 AMI still dont get why crying in the stands with his mom is such a bad thing? Would you rather him blast people over social media? Punch walls after a loss? Break stuff?
I rather someone be with loved on emphasizing over a tough loss and show passion and caring for the outcome than some of these other modern day athletes who dont care whether they win or lose and just get paid.
For me, crying is not unusual for a football player. Crying in your mother's arms...
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 20, 2023, 11:42:56 AMFor what it's worth, and admittedly with limited scouting, Caleb seems like a boom or bust type prospect. He has some special abilities (in terms of off-schedule throws) that could make him the best QB in the league. There are some red flags (like his crying in the stands and the like) and there is the question of how good he is as a pocket passer (you need to be a serviceable pocket passer for the improv stuff to matter) that could lead to him being a bust.
To quote the late John Fassel, you are pushing all your chips into the middle of the table if you draft Williams.
I get the point about Williams' profile, but I actually don't view using a high first round pick on ANY top QB prospect as a gamble if you're a team that badly needs a QB. To me, the gamble would be not doing that.
Everyone understands that no QB is a guarantee, even the most hyped up ones. But by drafting one when you're woefully weak at the position, you're giving your franchise a shot. By not drafting one, you're hoping that you'll be in a better position to get a better one the next year, or that you'll somehow strike gold in free agency or a massive trade and just barely thread the needle to perfection the way the Rams did with Stafford. To me, the latter is the bigger gamble than just using your pick to take one of the best rated QB prospects of the last decade.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 20, 2023, 12:26:04 PMI get the point about Williams' profile, but I actually don't view using a high first round pick on ANY top QB prospect as a gamble if you're a team that badly needs a QB. To me, the gamble would be not doing that.
Everyone understands that no QB is a guarantee, even the most hyped up ones. But by drafting one when you're woefully weak at the position, you're giving your franchise a shot. By not drafting one, you're hoping that you'll be in a better position to get a better one the next year, or that you'll somehow strike gold in free agency or a massive trade and just barely thread the needle to perfection the way the Rams did with Stafford. To me, the latter is the bigger gamble than just using your pick to take one of the best rated QB prospects of the last decade.
I don't see the bust potential as being anywhere near as great with Drake Maye than I do Caleb Williams
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 18, 2023, 07:11:55 AMMaybe the Giants being one of the teams in the hunt is the reason why he's considering waiting it out.
yup
There is nothing to indicate he doesn't want to come to the Giants. In fact, there were reports earlier in the year that the Giants were one of the teams he most wanted to play for.