His rating is 95.0. Can you name him? No googling please..Scouts honor. :surprise: :o
BBHers..5 minutes till pencils down. :yes: :laugh:
Times up. Answer: The remarkable Jayden Daniels of LSU. Huge upside talent. 36 tds..4 ints..72.0 cmpl..3;500 yards passing..over 1;000 yards rushing.Not too shabby in the best conference in college.
He could be on the Giants radar..or at least I hope so. No need to rush him into action and give Daboll a potential star to mold. He has vastly improved everywhere..more experience than Richardson too.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on November 25, 2023, 01:25:42 PMTimes up. Answer: The remarkable Jayden Daniels of LSU. Huge upside talent. 36 tds..4 ints..72.0 cmpl..3;500 yards passing..over 1;000 yards rushing.Not too shabby in the best conference in college.
sounds like a keeper
He's Lamar Jackson 2.0. Both men leave a little to be desired as passers but are so dynamic that they can wreck an NFL defense.
5 years in college and this is his first statistical GREAT year. Any thoughts on just the one great year? Definitely an intriguing prospect though.
Quote from: sooners56 on November 25, 2023, 02:17:19 PM5 years in college and this is his first statistical GREAT year. Any thoughts on just the one great year? Definitely an intriguing prospect though.
Similarities with Burrow. He transferred..starting slow until his breakout year at LSU. Not that he is the pure passer that Joe is but is a highlight machine this year and is very intriguing.
Jayden Daniels is a fantastic passer. Much more advanced than Lamar at the same point.
Quote from: madbadger on November 25, 2023, 02:06:31 PMHe's Lamar Jackson 2.0. Both men leave a little to be desired as passers but are so dynamic that they can wreck an NFL defense.
Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on November 25, 2023, 03:03:31 PMJayden Daniels is a fantastic passer. Much more advanced than Lamar at the same point.
His ball placement is not elite. He'll be throwing into much tighter windows in the NFL so it might impact his effectiveness. If there was ever a guy I'd take a chance on it's him.
Quote from: sooners56 on November 25, 2023, 02:17:19 PM5 years in college and this is his first statistical GREAT year. Any thoughts on just the one great year? Definitely an intriguing prospect though.
How many great statistical seasons did Jalen Hurts have in college. He was similarly meh but the big difference is Daniels eventually posted gaudy stats while Hurts didn't.
He was good last year and took a major step forward. He's got insane natural ability. I'd be extremely comfortable if we got Daniels. Hyatt will love him too. He's a great deep passer.
Quote from: madbadger on November 25, 2023, 03:58:21 PMHow many great statistical seasons did Jalen Hurts have in college. He was similarly meh but the big difference is Daniels eventually posted gaudy stats while Hurts didn't.
My preference would be for a QB to have more than 1 great year in college but there are several instances, such as Burroe and Hurts, where 1 good year translated to a very good NFL QB. All the better, as the more QBs in the draft that are possibly franchise caliber, bodes well for the Giants grabbing one!
Quote from: sooners56 on November 25, 2023, 05:42:00 PMMy preference would be for a QB to have more than 1 great year in college but there are several instances, such as Burroe and Hurts, where 1 good year translated to a very good NFL QB. All the better, as the more QBs in the draft that are possibly franchise caliber, bodes well for the Giants grabbing one!
If both of the top two are off the board I'd be fine taking the best offensive lineman and then moving up into the late first round to catch a faller. I think a guy like Daniels will be available later. The other option would be to draft a project like WSU quarterback Cam Ward. He has all the tools and Jones contract means he'll be in the roster next year so he'll have at least a year to develop.
A guy like Daniels will not be available later. He will be a top 5 pick. Ward is not even close to the same class as Daniels. Waiting would be an error of epic proportions.
Quote from: madbadger on November 25, 2023, 05:52:44 PMIf both of the top two are off the board I'd be fine taking the best offensive lineman and then moving up into the late first round to catch a faller. I think a guy like Daniels will be available later. The other option would be to draft a project like WSU quarterback Cam Ward. He has all the tools and Jones contract means he'll be in the roster next year so he'll have at least a year to develop.
Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on November 25, 2023, 06:03:27 PMA guy like Daniels will not be available later. He will be a top 5 pick. Ward is not even close to the same class as Daniels. Waiting would be an error of epic proportions.
I seriously doubt it.
Richardson barely missed the top 5. Daniels with a similar skillset, but much more refinement isn't making it past 5. QBs always get pushed up. 3 QB will go in the top 5 with McCarthy going in the top 10 after the top 3.
Daniels for me has played himself into QB3 of this draft. So I agree I think he's going in the top 5 and could easily be on the Giants radar. Particularly since he wouldn't be asked to start from day 1. Jones isn't going anywhere so he can keep the spot warm for Daniels if necessary. Things could change between now and draft day but Daniels has been nothing short of spectacular this season.
Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on November 25, 2023, 06:34:26 PMRichardson barely missed the top 5. Daniels with a similar skillset, but much more refinement isn't making it past 5. QBs always get pushed up. 3 QB will go in the top 5 with McCarthy going in the top 10 after the top 3.
Maybe the consensus will change but most of the scouting reports I've read the last few weeks have Williams, Maye, McCarthy, Sanders and Nix ahead of him. He has everything but the accuracy much like Jackson who lasted to the end of the first round. We'll know more as the process goes along but he doesn't appear to be a top five pick and could drop especially if McCarthy and Sanders declare.
A lot of the draft sites haven't really updated their scouting reports since early in the season. Last year, the mock drafts had Anthony Richardson as a 2nd rounder at this time. I'd be shocked if he isn't QB3. I think Nix is being mocked way too high right now in most places. And Sanders won't be in the draft. He flashed early, but isn't ready. His dad has said he's going to return to school.
Quote from: madbadger on November 25, 2023, 03:21:38 PMHis ball placement is not elite. He'll be throwing into much tighter windows in the NFL so it might impact his effectiveness. If there was ever a guy I'd take a chance on it's him.
Did you see his TD passes today?
Quote from: GeauxJints on November 26, 2023, 01:32:48 AMDid you see his TD passes today?
I was impressed with his performance.
Quote from: GeauxJints on November 26, 2023, 01:32:48 AMDid you see his TD passes today?
I watched the last quarter. On his second to last drive he missed a guy wide open in the end zone on an out and up and then his touchdown pass later in the drive only happened because the receiver made a freakish play on a poorly placed ball.
He's very good. The knock on him has always been his ball placement and after watching Jones struggle with the last five years I'd like to never see it again.
Quote from: madbadger on November 26, 2023, 08:30:01 AMI watched the last quarter. On his second to last drive he missed a guy wide open in the end zone on an out and up and then his touchdown pass later in the drive only happened because the receiver made a freakish play on a poorly placed ball.
He's very good. The knock on him has always been his ball placement and after watching Jones struggle with the last five years I'd like to never see it again.
If it's a mechanics issue, it can be improved with coaching as it did for Josh Allen and Anthony Richardson. Would that be the case here?
I don't know if I see him on the Giants after all of Jones injuries but even with all his weapons, he's going to have a nice career if he can stay healthy.
Where do you see Nabers going off in the draft?
Quote from: Ed Vette on November 26, 2023, 08:37:36 AMIf it's a mechanics issue, it can be improved with coaching as it did for Josh Allen and Anthony Richardson. Would that be the case here?
I don't know if I see him on the Giants after all of Jones injuries but even with all his weapons, he's going to have a nice career if he can stay healthy.
Where do you see Nabers going off in the draft?
I'm not qualified to give that answer. I do know that outside of the crackhead owner in Indy most teams won't use a top five pick on a quarterback who has accuracy issues. I do think that Daniels will eventually become a good NFL quarterback, I just would use a top 5 pick on him.
Predicting where many of these QBs will go in the draft is often a fools' errand. I remember a couple drafts ago people had Malik Willis and Matt Corral being clear first round picks, potentially top 10. Both of them ended up being third round. Corral is basically out of the league at this point, and Willis is barely clinging to a roster spot. None of the high profile draft pundit types like Jeremiah, Brugler, Kiper, etc came close on either of these guys. And those are just two examples. There are plenty of others.
Obviously when you have someone like Lawrence or Burrow, everyone knows where they're going, but with a lot of these good but not elite prospects the general public has no clue and even the professional prognosticators are often very wrong. It's perfectly fine to have a theory or a view, but nobody really has any very firm idea where someone like Daniels or Nix is going to end up going. And that will remain the case after their combines and pro days.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 26, 2023, 10:04:19 AMPredicting where many of these QBs will go in the draft is often a fools' errand. I remember a couple drafts ago people had Malik Willis and Matt Corral being clear first round picks, potentially top 10. Both of them ended up being third round. Corral is basically out of the league at this point, and Willis is barely clinging to a roster spot. None of the high profile draft pundit types like Jeremiah, Brugler, Kiper, etc came close on either of these guys. And those are just two examples. There are plenty of others.
Obviously when you have someone like Lawrence or Burrow, everyone knows where they're going, but with a lot of these good but not elite prospects the general public has no clue and even the professional prognosticators are often very wrong. It's perfectly fine to have a theory or a view, but nobody really has any very firm idea where someone like Daniels or Nix is going to end up going. And that will remain the case after their combines and pro days.
Well said. Great examples with Corral and Willis. We all suffer from our inability to remember all the mistakes we made from previous years in predicting a player's draft position or how good they will be in the NFL. Next year rolls around and we make bold comments about what will likely be a marginal NFL player.
The Giants will be in a good position to let Qb 3 just fall in their laps.