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We all knew it was too good to be true. Watch us win a couple of more games and be out of the top ten altogether.
What would a 6-11 season really do for us?
Don't think they have anymore wins with Tommy Gun.
Packers..Saints .Rams..Eagles..last game is a possible tank job but they have to beat Dallas..Niners.
Yep.. we're just about out of the running for one of Maye or Williams. Definitely a shame as this is going to go down as a very forgettable season no matter what. We'll end up drafting some O lineman and running it back with Jones, DeVito, and either Taylor or some other journeyman vet again.
And I can almost guarantee you that one year from today fans will still be complaining about the O line.
You won't hear the O line complaining stop until we have a new QB who is actually a legit talent.
I believe we have a QB who is a legit talent that eliminates the need to Draft a top tier QB.
I know this sounds like a broken record, but focusing on our OL will generate the most significant upgrade of our Team.
We have a LT and a C. So we need a LG, RG, & a RT. We should Draft a RT & LG, and sign a FA RG. This pursuit provides us with a Vet playing next to a Rook.
As Neal is a bust as a RT, likely he's moved to RG. Just don't want to count on him being a Player.
This was a disaster. DeVito is a backup at best. You have more pocket presence than him. We beat a crap team because of all the turnover again. He didn't put together a single long scoring drive. This win was bad for the future of the franchise. We better trade up for a QB.
Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on November 26, 2023, 09:59:46 PMThis was a disaster. DeVito is a backup at best. You have more pocket presence than him. We beat a crap team because of all the turnover again. He didn't put together a single long scoring drive. This win was bad for the future of the franchise. We better trade up for a QB.
And what would you want the team to do, not play to win? I do agree that DeVito is nothing more than a back up QB . He is not the second coming of Brock Purdy or Tom Brady .
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on November 27, 2023, 01:40:38 AMAnd what would you want the team to do, not play to win? I do agree that DeVito is nothing more than a back up QB . He is not the second coming of Brock Purdy or Tom Brady .
No, the players will always play to win. But Sunday showed one team that truly tanked. And it also highlighted, at least to me, if you watched other games, in particular, the Eagles/Bills, how far the Giants are from seriously competing without talent at the QB position. Until they get legitimate talent at that position, they will remain light years away.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 26, 2023, 08:49:04 PMYep.. we're just about out of the running for one of Maye or Williams. Definitely a shame as this is going to go down as a very forgettable season no matter what. We'll end up drafting some O lineman and running it back with Jones, DeVito, and either Taylor or some other journeyman vet again.
And I can almost guarantee you that one year from today fans will still be complaining about the O line.
Let me remind everyone that EVERY year we say that the "draft is a crapshoot" Also the Texans screwed themselves last year by winning their final game and dropping out of slot #1 to slot # 2. They "settled" for CJ Stroud instead of most everyones #1 Bryce Young. How did that turn out? The Texans would make that trade every Week
You won't hear the O line complaining stop until we have a new QB who is actually a legit talent.
Dumpster Dan
Quote from: Dumpster Dan on November 27, 2023, 05:46:03 AMDumpster Dan
Fair enough Dan. But simply put, it doesn't matter that the Texans settled, they were in the position to draft 1 of the 2 QBs. At 6, the Giants won't be in that position.
It was good to see the New Jersey Giants win again. Mr. Thomas DeVito did enough for the win, and at day's end that's the job of a QB: to end the game with at least one more point than the opponents.
I'm reminded of the story of the politician who, when told he won by 11 votes, remarked, "Yup. 10 more votes than I needed."
This armchair observer will be watching to see if Mr. DeVito shows game-to-game improvement. I'll also be watching to see if the coaches can instill some anti-flag discipline where needed.
As to draft picks, there will be some possible offensive team front five picks available.
Go flag-free, Big Blue.
Do we think Daniels can slide to the #6 spot? I know we still have games left but WASH right ahead of us, and I can see them moving on from Howell. Really don't want to have to trade up and waste capital. :doh:
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 26, 2023, 08:49:04 PMYep.. we're just about out of the running for one of Maye or Williams. Definitely a shame as this is going to go down as a very forgettable season no matter what. We'll end up drafting some O lineman and running it back with Jones, DeVito, and either Taylor or some other journeyman vet again.
And I can almost guarantee you that one year from today fans will still be complaining about the O line.
You won't hear the O line complaining stop until we have a new QB who is actually a legit talent.
Why wouldn't they complain about the OL? I think they're up to 62 sacks. They're primarily the ones to blame.
They gave up friggin 6 sacks to the Patriots, the worst team in the league. That's how bad the OL is.
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on November 27, 2023, 01:40:38 AMAnd what would you want the team to do, not play to win? I do agree that DeVito is nothing more than a back up QB . He is not the second coming of Brock Purdy or Tom Brady .
I would never advocate any sort of illicit directive to having the players on the field not play their hardest. Not only is that unethical, but it would be an almost impossible secret to keep.
Where I think the Giants could have been smarter would have been offloading more vets for picks prior to the deadline, particularly ones they don't definitely envision re-signing. The Williams trade was a good one, but they could have done more.
The Giants have beaten two 2-win teams and the very sad Commanders twice. Please don't sugar coat how bad the Giants are especially the QB position.
Not only do we drop to 6, we could drop a few more spots during the bye. There are 4 teams at 4-7, two of whom has SOS lower than the Giants. So we could be sitting at 8 by the time we play the next game if the Bucs and Jets were to lose next weekend.
Getting a real QB is not wasting capital. It is vital to do so to get your guy. Nothing matters more.
Quote from: GeauxJints on November 27, 2023, 09:46:48 AMDo we think Daniels can slide to the #6 spot? I know we still have games left but WASH right ahead of us, and I can see them moving on from Howell. Really don't want to have to trade up and waste capital. :doh:
Quote from: spiderblue43 on November 26, 2023, 08:43:16 PMDon't think they have anymore wins with Tommy Gun.
Packers..Saints .Rams..Eagles..last game is a possible tank job but they have to beat Dallas..Niners.
Over the last decade you could count on two things happening more often than not:
1) The Giants season would be over by Thanksgiving (sometimes Haloween)
2) The Giants winning meaningless games to ruin tanking
I wouldn't be shocked if the Giants get at least 2 more wins. I see wins being possible against the Saints, Packers, and Rams. I also see a possible win the last game of the season if the Eagles are resting their starters.
The Rams will crush us. They have a healthy trio of Stafford, Kyron and Cupp plus Nakua. They are the one NFC team currently out of the wildcard that I see sneaking into the playoffs.
Quote from: Philosophers on November 27, 2023, 09:50:37 AMWhy wouldn't they complain about the OL? I think they're up to 62 sacks. They're primarily the ones to blame.
They gave up friggin 6 sacks to the Patriots, the worst team in the league. That's how bad the OL is.
I would have to watch the plays again, but feel like most of the sacks yesterday were on DeVito, not the OL.
People still think all sacks are on the OL. Ridiculous. DeVito has the pocket presence of a sloth. He created most of those sacks himself.
Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on November 27, 2023, 11:32:21 AMPeople still think all sacks are on the OL. Ridiculous. DeVito has the pocket presence of a sloth. He created most of those sacks himself.
Yeah so 62 sacks have been on the QBs? I have seen most of the sacks this season and it has generally been a Giants offensive lineman getting beaten early or just an early wholesale collapse of the pocket. In both cases, the QB did not even have time to plant his back foot to step into a throw.
Have there been some coverage sacks? Yes, but I'd say 10% - 15% only of the 62 total. For those sacks the QB needed to do more.
Quote from: Philosophers on November 27, 2023, 12:53:45 PMYeah so 62 sacks have been on the QBs? I have seen most of the sacks this season and it has generally been a Giants offensive lineman getting beaten early or just an early wholesale collapse of the pocket. In both cases, the QB did not even have time to plant his back foot to step into a throw.
Have there been some coverage sacks? Yes, but I'd say 10% - 15% only of the 62 total. For those sacks the QB needed to do more.
I am talking about 6 yesterday. There was the breakdown I think by Baldinger on the Seattle game. Jones was sacked 10 times and 3 or 4 were on the OLine. Not saying 3 or 4 is good, but not as terrible as 10.
It is all just an excuse by fans to not truly evaluate the QB play.