Let's take Schoen at his word that when DJ returns, he will be the starter (forget liking it or not). If that's the case the beginning of next season they either have Taylor, Tommy or an inexpensive FA QB starting til DJ returns. Let's also take him at his word that they still believe in Neal as the RT. Let's assume the Giants finish with the 6th pick.
If all this happens and management/coaching still believe in DJ for the future, what do you do in FA and the Draft?
1) Fire Rob Johnson as OL coach and hire new top OL coach.
2) Sign a FA starting caliber RG or draft a RG like maybe Zak Zinter in the 4th round.
3) 1st round BPA - need a Day 1 starter who becomes a stud. Any position.
4) 2nd round BPA with eye toward a high upside DT to replace Leo. Maybe someone like Maason from LSU or Leonard from Miami or Kris Jenkins from Michigan. Another option is Tuamalu from Ohio St. as edge rusher.
3) 3rd round - BPA with a look toward a top safety or an OT in case Neal fails or to build depth. The player who intrigues me here is Guyton from Oklahoma. He's a RT who played opposite Harrison.
4th - 5th round - BPA with eye toward a RB.
Quote from: Philosophers on November 29, 2023, 03:41:12 PMLet's take Schoen at his word that when DJ returns, he will be the starter (forget liking it or not). If that's the case the beginning of next season they either have Taylor, Tommy or an inexpensive FA QB starting til DJ returns. Let's also take him at his word that they still believe in Neal as the RT. Let's assume the Giants finish with the 6th pick.
If all this happens and management/coaching still believe in DJ for the future, what do you do in FA and the Draft?
1) Fire Rob Johnson as OL coach and hire new top OL coach.
2) Sign a FA starting caliber RG or draft a RG like maybe Zak Zinter in the 4th round.
3) 1st round BPA - need a Day 1 starter who becomes a stud. Any position.
4) 2nd round BPA with eye toward a high upside DT to replace Leo. Maybe someone like Maason from LSU or Leonard from Miami or Kris Jenkins from Michigan. Another option is Tuamalu from Ohio St. as edge rusher.
3) 3rd round - BPA with a look toward a top safety or an OT in case Neal fails or to build depth. The player who intrigues me here is Guyton from Oklahoma. He's a RT who played opposite Harrison.
4th - 5th round - BPA with eye toward a RB.
I wait until the next coach and GM are hired after another few years of bad football.
If DJ is starting next year first round better be a damn STUD OL. Cannot miss on another, but hopefully a new OL coach can fix some of the trash we have
It hurts my heart and head to even think of drafting an olineman so I hope they refuse and schoen wakes up and gets a qb. If no qb then the best defensive prospect on the board and best defensive or a WR with the early 2nd, and best RB with the late 2nd
Quote from: GeauxJints on November 29, 2023, 05:40:43 PMIf DJ is starting next year first round better be a damn STUD OL. Cannot miss on another, but hopefully a new OL coach can fix some of the trash we have
There is no perfectly right answer here, but I really don't want to use another top 7 pick on an offensive tackle.
Given the stipulations Phil has laid out, if the true, clear BPA available in Schoen's eyes is in fact an OT, then OK I guess, but man I really hope that's not how we come out of this.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 29, 2023, 06:07:25 PMIt hurts my heart and head to even think of drafting an olineman so I hope they refuse and schoen wakes up and gets a qb. If no qb then the best defensive prospect on the board and best defensive or a WR with the early 2nd, and best RB with the late 2nd
He has to make it happen. If they are hooked on a top QB, do what it takes. This team will not move forward without a serious improvement in that most important position.
Quote from: Philosophers on November 29, 2023, 03:41:12 PMLet's take Schoen at his word that when DJ returns, he will be the starter (forget liking it or not). If that's the case the beginning of next season they either have Taylor, Tommy or an inexpensive FA QB starting til DJ returns. Let's also take him at his word that they still believe in Neal as the RT. Let's assume the Giants finish with the 6th pick.
If all this happens and management/coaching still believe in DJ for the future, what do you do in FA and the Draft?
1) Fire Rob Johnson as OL coach and hire new top OL coach.
2) Sign a FA starting caliber RG or draft a RG like maybe Zak Zinter in the 4th round.
3) 1st round BPA - need a Day 1 starter who becomes a stud. Any position.
4) 2nd round BPA with eye toward a high upside DT to replace Leo. Maybe someone like Maason from LSU or Leonard from Miami or Kris Jenkins from Michigan. Another option is Tuamalu from Ohio St. as edge rusher.
3) 3rd round - BPA with a look toward a top safety or an OT in case Neal fails or to build depth. The player who intrigues me here is Guyton from Oklahoma. He's a RT who played opposite Harrison.
4th - 5th round - BPA with eye toward a RB.
Management or not, believing in DJ, we still need a backup plan for when he fails once again. Sorry, but we need to go QB with as high a pick as possible.
I am tired of seeing our #1 pick go for the OL and we still suck. The OL can suck with a #3 or #4 pick also.
After QB we need another stud on the DL. I know people want a WR but with a decent enough QB, our receiving corp ain't that bad.
Quote from: katkavage on November 29, 2023, 03:43:00 PMI wait until the next coach and GM are hired after another few years of bad football.
I was going to say "immediately fire the HC and GM for believing in fairytales."
Unfortunately we can't fire John Mara. :surrender:
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 29, 2023, 06:18:23 PMThere is no perfectly right answer here, but I really don't want to use another top 7 pick on an offensive tackle.
Given the stipulations Phil has laid out, if the true, clear BPA available in Schoen's eyes is in fact an OT, then OK I guess, but man I really hope that's not how we come out of this.
What if we get another AT at RT? That would make it worth it, especially if he's a franchise perennial all star. Hopefully Neal can figure it out at Guard.
Big if, and again new OL coach would need to be the first move
This is too depressing to contemplate
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Given your assumptions, you take a #1 WR in the 1st round. It's the best group I've seen in a long time, with Marvin Harrison, Jr. and real game-changer.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 29, 2023, 06:07:25 PMIt hurts my heart and head to even think of drafting an olineman so I hope they refuse and schoen wakes up and gets a qb. If no qb then the best defensive prospect on the board and best defensive or a WR with the early 2nd, and best RB with the late 2nd
J: You're right about OL. They need to do that more through free-agency than the draft.
To me, on D, positions needing the most help (assuming everyone comes back whose contract is up) would be D-line interior (replace Leo) and a pass-rusher who can play more than 1/3 of the games (replace Ojulari).
As for WR, if they can't draft one of the three best "leading man" wide receivers, just stand pat unless a great free agent comes loose who actually wants to play for the Giants.
Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on November 29, 2023, 09:52:15 PMJ: You're right about OL. They need to do that more through free-agency than the draft.
To me, on D, positions needing the most help (assuming everyone comes back whose contract is up) would be D-line interior (replace Leo) and a pass-rusher who can play more than 1/3 of the games (replace Ojulari).
As for WR, if they can't draft one of the three best "leading man" wide receivers, just stand pat unless a great free agent comes loose who actually wants to play for the Giants.
Bob
I would love WR Tre Harris with or 2nd 2nd rd pick.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 30, 2023, 01:04:01 PMI would love WR Tre Harris with or 2nd 2nd rd pick.
J: As of today, I don't think we're lucky enough for him to last past the high 2nd, IMO. Bob
I don't think we can take Schoen at his word vis a vis DJ.
He's regressed for the 2nd time in the mental part of the game. That's not something you can coach up. I don't see him as being anything more than a placeholder for the successor and an eventual back up.
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Quote from: 4 Aces on November 29, 2023, 08:04:18 PMGiven your assumptions, you take a #1 WR in the 1st round. It's the best group I've seen in a long time, with Marvin Harrison, Jr. and real game-changer.
Harrison Jr. and probably Keon Coleman from FSU are game changers , the others probably not worthy of such a high pick.
I wonder if the Bills don't do much the rest of the year or in the playoffs , would Stephan Diggs be available ?
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on December 01, 2023, 08:58:11 AMHarrison Jr. and probably Keon Coleman from FSU are game changers , the others probably not worthy of such a high pick.
I wonder if the Bills don't do much the rest of the year or in the playoffs , would Stephan Diggs be available ?
It would have to be through a trade, as he has a huge contract. He turns 31 during the season next year. While he's obviously still very good, he's on a short timeline of playing at this level and might even start to decline next year. Very few receivers don't begin declining by the 31/32 age threshold. So given you'd not only have to take on his contract (which runs through 2027) but would also have to give up draft picks, it really would only make sense for a team that is on the brink of a Super Bowl and needs a player of his caliber to put them over the top. That's not us.