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Title: Giants drop to 7th in the draft order
Post by: MightyGiants on December 04, 2023, 03:41:23 PM
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Title: Re: Giants drop to 7th in the draft order
Post by: Jolly Blue Giant on December 04, 2023, 04:51:41 PM
A lot of games left to play, and it will change, of course. I'm rooting for Seattle to lose, the Patriots and Commanders to win, the Cowboys to lose of course, etc. Helluva way to watch a season :poo:  :( 
Title: Re: Giants drop to 7th in the draft order
Post by: DaveBrown74 on December 04, 2023, 06:56:39 PM
With four wins we're already basically out of the running for picking in the top two. I think the odds are high the Bears move on from Fields, and we know the Pats are taking a QB. The Giants' odds of getting one of the big two are pretty close to zero at this point. I also think we aren't getting Harrison. Daniels may be obtainable although that's unclear. We're not the only team in the top 10 who may be interested in him (if the Giants even are). You have the Commanders, Titans, and possibly even the Jets in the mix in the same vicinity. Plus who knows what the Cards are doing. Going to be interesting.
Title: Re: Giants drop to 7th in the draft order
Post by: coggs on December 04, 2023, 08:17:54 PM
Fear not, they will likely lose their last 5.  Wont be enough to get them into the top-2, but probably enough to get them to 4th or 5th.
Title: Re: Giants drop to 7th in the draft order
Post by: DaveBrown74 on December 04, 2023, 08:26:04 PM
Quote from: coggs on December 04, 2023, 08:17:54 PMFear not, they will likely lose their last 5.  Wont be enough to get them into the top-2, but probably enough to get them to 4th or 5th.

I could certainly see that too, although I worry that the Eagles will have nothing to play for in week 18 and will play complete scrubs, which means we'll win that game because we'll actually be trying. Them losing yesterday helps prevent that scenario though.
Title: Re: Giants drop to 7th in the draft order
Post by: Philosophers on December 04, 2023, 09:55:06 PM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 04, 2023, 08:26:04 PMI could certainly see that too, although I worry that the Eagles will have nothing to play for in week 18 and will play complete scrubs, which means we'll win that game because we'll actually be trying. Them losing yesterday helps prevent that scenario though.

Eagles 3rd string can beat the Giants.  Nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Giants drop to 7th in the draft order
Post by: H-Town G-Fan on December 04, 2023, 10:17:38 PM
The Cardinals play Chicago, so possible the Giants pick up a spot there (provided Giants lose out, then they probably win SOS battle versus Cardinals or Chicago has at least 5 wins and could beat Atlanta in week 17). Same for Jets/Commanders--someone is picking up a win.
Title: Re: Giants drop to 7th in the draft order
Post by: Bob In PA on December 05, 2023, 07:47:05 AM
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on December 04, 2023, 10:17:38 PMThe Cardinals play Chicago, so possible the Giants pick up a spot there (provided Giants lose out, then they probably win SOS battle versus Cardinals or Chicago has at least 5 wins and could beat Atlanta in week 17). Same for Jets/Commanders--someone is picking up a win.
H-T: Thanks for going through the schedule to find those games. I was too lazy do it.  Bob
Title: Re: Giants drop to 7th in the draft order
Post by: DaveBrown74 on December 05, 2023, 07:49:48 AM
Quote from: Philosophers on December 04, 2023, 09:55:06 PMEagles 3rd string can beat the Giants.  Nothing to worry about.

If things are setting up to where the Giants will benefit greatly by losing that game, and the game means literally zero to the Eagles, I think they'll have such bad players in that game that there will be no way we don't win.
Title: Re: Giants drop to 7th in the draft order
Post by: katkavage on December 05, 2023, 07:50:56 AM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 05, 2023, 07:49:48 AMIf things are setting up to where the Giants will benefit greatly by losing that game, and the game means literally zero to the Eagles, I think they'll have such bad players in that game that there will be no way we don't win.
That last game might mean a lot to the Eagles as it stands now.
Title: Re: Giants drop to 7th in the draft order
Post by: DaveBrown74 on December 05, 2023, 09:12:16 AM
Quote from: katkavage on December 05, 2023, 07:50:56 AMThat last game might mean a lot to the Eagles as it stands now.

Good chance of it. If Dallas beats them this weekend that will be big. San Fran may win out.
Title: Re: Giants drop to 7th in the draft order
Post by: Giant Obsession on December 05, 2023, 06:07:27 PM
I personally do not give a damn where we pick in this crapshoot they call the NFL draft.

Get out there and lets get a good season ending evaluation on the players AND THE COACING STAFF we have here.

Where we draft should take care of itself.

Title: Re: Giants drop to 7th in the draft order
Post by: coggs on December 05, 2023, 09:59:52 PM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 04, 2023, 08:26:04 PMI could certainly see that too, although I worry that the Eagles will have nothing to play for in week 18 and will play complete scrubs, which means we'll win that game because we'll actually be trying. Them losing yesterday helps prevent that scenario though.
Their scrubs can beat our starters.
Title: Re: Giants drop to 7th in the draft order
Post by: Brooklyn Dave on December 06, 2023, 02:44:38 AM
Quote from: Giant Obsession on December 05, 2023, 06:07:27 PMI personally do not give a damn where we pick in this crapshoot they call the NFL draft.

Get out there and lets get a good season ending evaluation on the players AND THE COACING STAFF we have here.

Where we draft should take care of itself.



Well said, I could not agree more. You are spot on . I remember several years ago when people were so upset that we beat I believe The Commanders late in the seaszon which prevented us from drafting Chase Young from Ohio State . We had to settle for Andrew Thomas instead.
Title: Re: Giants drop to 7th in the draft order
Post by: DaveBrown74 on December 06, 2023, 06:56:43 AM
If it is indeed a complete crapshoot, I guess the fact that more than 50% of the starting QBs in the league right now were taken in the top 10 overall out of more than 250 total draft picks (plus the whole undrafted population) is a sheer coincidence and randomly picking a QB in the 4th round gives you the same odds of him panning out as it does if you take one in the top 5 or 10 overall.
Title: Re: Giants drop to 7th in the draft order
Post by: Doc16LT56 on December 06, 2023, 08:51:29 AM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 06, 2023, 06:56:43 AMIf it is indeed a complete crapshoot, I guess the fact that more than 50% of the starting QBs in the league right now were taken in the top 10 overall out of more than 250 total draft picks (plus the whole undrafted population) is a sheer coincidence and randomly picking a QB in the 4th round gives you the same odds of him panning out as it does if you take one in the top 5 or 10 overall.
Let's just hope Joe Schoen is a little more sophisticated than the "it doesn't matter where you draft a QB" crowd.
Title: Re: Giants drop to 7th in the draft order
Post by: LennG on December 06, 2023, 08:57:48 AM
Eagles are known for last minute give ups.
Title: Re: Giants drop to 7th in the draft order
Post by: Bob In PA on December 06, 2023, 11:36:03 AM
Quote from: LennG on December 06, 2023, 08:57:48 AMEagles are known for last minute give ups.
Lenn: Whether or not Cowboys win NFC-East, I predicted long ago Cowboys to the Super Bowl (to lose) this year.

The most likely scenario is Cowboys finish 2nd, Eagles get a bye, Cowboys win their 1st game, then play Eagles.

If it plays out that way, IMO Eagles have nothing to gain by playing starters against us in the final game. IMO, they'll anticipate (as I did) that their first game will be against the Cowboys and know that they'll need all hands on deck to win that game.

Bob