QuoteGiants quarterback Tyrod Taylor learned today that when he's put back on the active roster, it will be as the No. 2 quarterback, and undrafted rookie Tommy DeVito will start on Monday night against the Packers. Taylor wasn't happy about it.
Asked today how he felt about head coach Brian Daboll's decision, Taylor admitted he's frustrated.
"Disappointed," Taylor said. "But it's part of the game."
Taylor knows well that it's part of the game. At times in his career he's lost starting jobs to Nathan Peterman, Baker Mayfield, Justin Herbert and Davis Mills. This isn't Taylor's first rodeo.
Taylor declined to go into any details about how he's feeling or any communications he's had with Daboll about the decision. But it's easy to understand why he's disappointed, as he again finds himself losing a job to a younger quarterback.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/tyrod-taylor-disappointed-to-learn-he-lost-giants-qb-job-to-tommy-devito
He sees the handwriting on the wall. DeVito is cheaper, younger and has a ceiling above him.
Whether or not he reaches that ceiling, I think the Giants are smart to let him play.
It's a no-lose situation for the Giants, unless you believe Tyrod could "run the table."
Bob
PS. ....which, for either guy, is laughable, IMO.
Well, he is getting paid 11 million dollars to start three games passing for 640 yards, and three TDs over two seasons. There is that. That can't be too disappointing.
I get it but I think there was a better way he could have fielded those questions.
Quote from: Ed Vette on December 06, 2023, 12:01:32 PMWell, he is getting paid 11 million dollars to start three games passing for 640 yards, and three TDs over two seasons. There is that. That can't be too disappointing.
I get it but I think there was a better way he could have fielded those questions.
Ed: Good point. I'd be willing to bet if Giants let him (Tyrod) walk, some team somewhere will hire him.
He knows he can count on a good recommendation and that will carry huge weight.
The bad news is he'll probably have to move his family again (but IMO that is the only bad news).
Bob
He's a competitor who presumably loves playing football and wants every chance he can get to do it. It's his livelihood and he has worked hard to get to where he is. I'm sure I'd be disappointed in his shoes too. Pretty understandable. I doubt he's making a big stink of it or holding it against Tommy D personally, but I'm not in the locker room obviously.
Quote from: Bob In PA on December 06, 2023, 12:05:54 PMEd: Good point. I'd be willing to bet if Giants let him (Tyrod) walk, some team somewhere will hire him.
He knows he can count on a good recommendation and that will carry huge weight.
The bad news is he'll probably have to move his family again (but IMO that is the only bad news).
Bob
There are about five teams that will be drafting a QB. He's a good mentor and backup like he was here. I'm sure he will get a job.
No doubt (in my mind at least) Taylor gets a backup job somewhere. The question I guess is whether he'll get a similar number to what he got with us. Given the cap is going up, it seems reasonable to think he will, although his penchant for getting hurt may make teams uneasy.
Tyrod is a great mentor, I wouldn't mind having him back on the cheap to mentor our new guy.
Quote from: Bob In PA on December 06, 2023, 12:05:54 PMEd: Good point. I'd be willing to bet if Giants let him (Tyrod) walk, some team somewhere will hire him.
He knows he can count on a good recommendation and that will carry huge weight.
The bad news is he'll probably have to move his family again (but IMO that is the only bad news).
Bob
Not if he goes to thee Jets :). who could really really use him right now
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 06, 2023, 01:02:49 PMTyrod is a great mentor, I wouldn't mind having him back on the cheap to mentor our new guy.
Rightly or wrongly, I feel like this decision to start a walk-on undrafted guy who has barely played over a healthy Taylor is a pretty clear signal Taylor isn't coming back next year under any circumstances.
There is always the possibility that Jones gets traded next season.
Quote from: Ed Vette on December 06, 2023, 01:08:48 PMThere is always the possibility that Jones gets traded next season.
Perhaps during the season that could be possible, but it's really hard to see any way it happens in the offseason unless the Giants eat an enormous amount of the contract, which I myself can't see them doing.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 06, 2023, 01:24:11 PMPerhaps during the season that could be possible, but it's really hard to see any way it happens in the offseason unless the Giants eat an enormous amount of the contract, which I myself can't see them doing.
next season.
You would think Tyrod would have reached an age where being healthy for the holidays would offset the disappointment of not being the starter.
Quote from: MightyGiants on December 06, 2023, 01:56:23 PMYou would think Tyrod would have reached an age where being healthy for the holidays would offset the disappointment of not being the starter.
Rich: It's also good PR (and essential for a QB, IMO) to indicate that although he's a "team guy" he thinks he's as capable as any other available QB to take the reins and eager to play. That, too, is a win-win attitude. The worst you can say is he's disappointed... I would be, too. Bob
The end comes to us all in all phases of life. For some it's met with relief, for others it's bitter. Taylor can see the end of his career staring him in the face. It's not hard to empathize with his reaction.
I see a lot of posts with the opinion that Jones will start next year "because they're paying him so much money". But if that is the logic on who plays, then why is DeVito starting over Taylor?
Good to see the team not falling prey to sunk cost fallacy.
Why must there always be drama when it isn't there? MEDIA!
They are starting DeVito because they are trying to evaluate his upside and ability to develop.
Imagine if he improves immeasurably each week until end of the season?!
Everyone who's paid attention knows how good Tyrod is. I like and respect him. That being said, he's also proven to be brittle. He's in his last year here so it makes sense that he is now the emergency option. Why risk getting him hurt again so he cannot get another job?
We're in a REBUILD fellow Giant fans. What do you do when you're rebuilding?! Evaluate young talent.
#nodrama
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Quote from: Uni on December 06, 2023, 03:24:58 PMI see a lot of posts with the opinion that Jones will start next year "because they're paying him so much money". But if that is the logic on who plays, then why is DeVito starting over Taylor?
Good to see the team not falling prey to sunk cost fallacy.
Excellent point, and I 100% agree. That money is gone regardless (the guaranteed part at least). You don't play the QB you think is inferior just because you have committed more money to him. Same way you don't deliberately stay in a poker hand you know you're for sure clearly a prohibitive underdog in just because you've already put a decent amount of chips in the pot. I'm pretty sure Schoen understands this.
Obviously, NFL GMs sometimes face conundrums where the smart, correct move is also the humiliating one and the one that forces you to clearly concede you regret something you have done, and sometimes these guys feel they can't go that way because it will likely cost them their job, but I don't think Schoen is anywhere near such a position at this point.
Quote from: Ed Vette on December 06, 2023, 01:32:28 PMnext season.
Trade would be the only way it happens I just don't see any team that would be willing to give him the remainder of the contract unless he restructured. From my look at the numbers the team trading for him would be on the hook for 3 year 112-113 million. And we would just be on the hook for 33 million over 3 years at 11 a year.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 06, 2023, 05:45:44 PMTrade would be the only way it happens I just don't see any team that would be willing to give him the remainder of the contract unless he restructured. From my look at the numbers the team trading for him would be on the hook for 3 year 112-113 million. And we would just be on the hook for 33 million over 3 years at 11 a year.
Like I said, trade him in season. The Giants are on the hook for $81 million guaranteed at signing. That is his Bonus plus the 23 and 24 year salary. A trade would at first glance give the Giants 69 million in dead cap and nothing for the new team. The new team would be liable the fifth day of the 2025 season for $11 million that year.
However, I believe a deal can be made to cover the 2024 salary by the trade partner or a portion there of. In 2025 the trade partner would be able to cut Jones any time after that fifth day guarantee and only have a cap hit of 11 million or nothing if they cut him before hand.
It's an excellent contract that Schoen protected the Franchise with.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 06, 2023, 05:36:52 PMExcellent point, and I 100% agree. That money is gone regardless (the guaranteed part at least). You don't play the QB you think is inferior just because you have committed more money to him. Same way you don't deliberately stay in a poker hand you know you're for sure clearly a prohibitive underdog in just because you've already put a decent amount of chips in the pot. I'm pretty sure Schoen understands this.
Obviously, NFL GMs sometimes face conundrums where the smart, correct move is also the humiliating one and the one that forces you to clearly concede you regret something you have done, and sometimes these guys feel they can't go that way because it will likely cost them their job, but I don't think Schoen is anywhere near such a position at this point.
Im sure Schoen understands this but we have a meddling owner, who has had made comments
on how unfairly we have treated Jones in the past ("we have done everything possible to screw him up") so there is that.
Mara likes Jones persona. Its going to be difficult to oust Jones even if he goes back to his "outlet pass offense". Im sure Jones is feeling the TommyD heat.
Maybe when Jones returns he will start to take more chances downfield, although I dont think he has the "touch" for those hole shots that Tommy is so good at.
Its hard not to like Jones, and he is financially set for life
Its complicated
Quote from: Bob In PA on December 06, 2023, 11:29:11 AMHe sees the handwriting on the wall. DeVito is cheaper, younger and has a ceiling above him.
Whether or not he reaches that ceiling, I think the Giants are smart to let him play.
It's a no-lose situation for the Giants, unless you believe Tyrod could "run the table."
Bob
PS. ....which, for either guy, is laughable, IMO.
I agree. They know what they have in Tyrod and he's not going to take them where they want to go. They need to see more of what they have in DeVito, which will help them make the QB2 decision.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 06, 2023, 05:36:52 PMObviously, NFL GMs sometimes face conundrums where the smart, correct move is also the humiliating one and the one that forces you to clearly concede you regret something you have done, and sometimes these guys feel they can't go that way because it will likely cost them their job, but I don't think Schoen is anywhere near such a position at this point.
DB: Yes, that's why Schoen makes the big bucks and why it's so important to have stability at the QB position. Bob