Can Devito become a solid backup QB in the NFL?
Quote from: MightyGiants on December 28, 2023, 09:06:34 AMCan Devito become a solid backup QB in the NFL?
Depends what your definition of ," solid " is . Can he take over a team when their starting QB is out for the season, the answer in my opinion is No? . Can he come in for a couple of games and not lose the game , probably yes .
I think he's in the mold of Fitzpatrick but not quite magical. He can win a game or two but nothing long term.
He's still a work in progress and I don't think he's ready at this point. He was showing that he was improving with each opportunity and then he became stagnant and Defenses shut him down. I still maintain that he allowed distractions to affect his focus. He needed to think, eat and sleep Football and nothing else, visualizing every scenario in his mind. Instead and regardless of who was handling the details he got caught up in a media frenzy and may have blown his opportunity.
The short answer is I don't know.
Quote from: T200 on December 28, 2023, 09:40:43 AMI think he's in the mold of Fitzpatrick but not quite magical. He can win a game or two but nothing long term.
Fitzpatrick started 147 games in the NFL. That is more than 90% of QBs who ever pass through the league. Tommy will be lucky to get anywhere near that number and a career akin to Charlie Whitehurst or (even better for DeVito) Chase Daniels would be a great success for an undrafted QB.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on December 28, 2023, 10:35:32 AMFitzpatrick started 147 games in the NFL. That is more than 90% of QBs who ever pass through the league. Tommy will be lucky to get anywhere near that number and a career akin to Charlie Whitehurst or (even better for DeVito) Chase Daniels would be a great success for an undrafted QB.
Good points. I didn't consider the amount of games Fitz started. I was looking at it from the standpoint of both of them coming in and giving their teams a shot of adrenaline. Tommy's shots wore off faster than Fitz's :yes: :laugh:
Quote from: T200 on December 28, 2023, 10:40:32 AMGood points. I didn't consider the amount of games Fitz started. I was looking at it from the standpoint of both of them coming in and giving their teams a shot of adrenaline. Tommy's shots wore off faster than Fitz's :yes: :laugh:
Fitz, the Buster Mathis of QB's. Great for three rounds and then fizzles.
Quote from: Ed Vette on December 28, 2023, 11:24:22 AMFitz, the Buster Mathis of QB's. Great for three rounds and then fizzles.
And that's exactly what TD Tommy did... three wins and out!
What is a solid back up QB?
Tommy has already proven he can be a solid starter albiet small sample size
Does a solid back up QB have to possess more that a solid starter ie. patience and ready to go at any moment?
I for one would have loved to have seen him finish this season with a real play caller, not named Kafka
Not wishing ill will on anyone odds are TT will be back on the bench again based upon his injury history.
I doubt TT will be back next year. But who knows
Quote from: MightyGiants on December 28, 2023, 09:06:34 AMCan Devito become a solid backup QB in the NFL?
Can he? Yes. Backups really just need to be game managers who are reasonably not error prone, and he has shown he has it in him to do that.
Will he? I really don't know yet. He was pretty bad the last six quarters, and in general he has been very shaky against good defenses. Obviously he's a rookie though and still very inexperienced in the NFL game. I need more data to say with real confidence if he actually will or not. I suspect he won't make the final 53 at the end of camp though and the Giants will gamble on him not being claimed off waivers by anyone else.
Completion % Success % Yards/Avg YAC QB Rating Yards/Game
63.6 32.5 6.2 9.7 88.9 135.9
64.3 42.8 6.6 10.2 85.2 208.5
Pretty close but the second QB is slightly better. So if Jones according to you isn't a solid starter, you lose all credibility by touting that DeVito has "already proven he can be a solid starter". Confirmation Bias.
Anything is possible in the NFL but is it likely as compared to hopefully?
Are we talking "solid" as in as good or better than Tyrod Taylor? Is that not currently the nearest and clearest comparison to make? Or are we going to start searching through the annals for a defining model? Yeezis!
Perhaps, we should relax our efforts until we learn, following FA, the Draft, OTAs, and the rest of the Preseason cockadoodle, who will have their names penciled in as QB uno, due, or tre on the rota.
Cheers!
Quote from: Ed Vette on December 28, 2023, 12:15:59 PMCompletion % Success % Yards/Avg YAC QB Rating Yards/Game
63.6 32.5 6.2 9.7 88.9 135.9
64.3 42.8 6.6 10.2 85.2 208.5
Pretty close but the second QB is slightly better. So if Jones according to you isn't a solid starter, you lose all credibility by touting that DeVito has "already proven he can be a solid starter". Confirmation Bias.
Game victories and Passing TDs put DeVito ahead by a mile....just sayin. also as a rookie his ceiling is undefined
No
Quote from: BluesCruz on December 28, 2023, 01:11:20 PMGame victories and Passing TDs put DeVito ahead by a mile....just sayin. also as a rookie his ceiling is undefined
Nope, DJ had 24 TD's his rookie season and a 5.2 TD % compared to DT's 4.5%.The Eagles were on their way to shellacking TD in an embarrassing loss. He surely would have lost the last two games. He can't stand in the pocket and deliver a pass because he's too short so he's forced to the sidelines. He can't hit Jalin Hyatt deep because he needs to set up perfectly to throw a deep pass. He missed several open receivers this past game because he holds the ball too long just like Jones. He's more agile in the Pocket but he's slow-footed compared to Jones who had 1900 yards rushing and 13 Touchdowns to add to his passing TD's.
TD hasn't proven anything other than he was a flash in the pan with a gimmick, while spending a lot of time cashing in on his 15 minutes of fame instead of preparing for the Eagles. Contrary to DJ who is the first one in and the last one out of the building and the farthest thing from an attention whore. While Daniel Jones has impeccable character.
I like my fellow Paisan but he needs to put in a lot more work and a lot more time before he can be considered a starter in this league, let alone a Backup. I'm not saying he can't do it. I'm saying he's proven to be a work in progress.
And this Ed, is why you get your balls broken by knowledgeable Members of this Group who care about the integrity of the site and the quality of the content. Love the enthusiasm, lose the baseless hype.
The best argument for Cutlets is that he has been asked to do way more than most any team has asked for an undrafted rookie. Can he improve? Of course he can. Can he be a #2 QB for some team? I think he can but needs to beat out another #2 in training camp.
I only wish Mara had allowed McAdoo to let Davis Webb get this great opportunity that DeVito has been given back in 2017. But Francesa, the media and fans with pitchforks blew that plan up.
If Tyrod is the bar for a backup Qb and he is one of the better ones. Then no Devito is not currently backup material at this moment.
Quote from: TDToomer on December 28, 2023, 01:53:46 PMThe best argument for Cutlets is that he has been asked to do way more than most any team has asked for an undrafted rookie. Can he improve? Of course he can. Can he be a #2 QB for some team? I think he can but needs to beat out another #2 in training camp.
I only wish Mara had allowed McAdoo to let Davis Webb get this great opportunity that DeVito has been given back in 2017. But Francesa, the media and fans with pitchforks blew that plan up.
I have wondered how many highly touted QB's have been woefully unprepared to start in the NFL to the point where teams give up on them and they bounce around often never reaching their potential.
I would have loved to see Davis Webb have gotten a real shot like Tommy did.
He was a very smart QB and threw a very catchable ball
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 28, 2023, 01:58:26 PMIf Tyrod is the bar for a backup Qb and he is one of the better ones. Then no Devito is not currently backup material at this moment.
Do you know how many passes Taylor threw as a rookie? 1. How many he threw his first 4 seasons? 17! So that bar took a while to be set. In other words you don't need to be a 12 year 34 year old vet to be a backup.
Quote from: BluesCruz on December 28, 2023, 04:18:45 PMI would have loved to see Davis Webb have gotten a real shot like Tommy did.
He was a very smart QB and threw a very catchable ball
A man's gotta know his limitations...
Dirty Harry
And he did and retired. He could have been the PS backup and taken over for TT, and Tommy would never have been in the league. He'd be an assistant plumber working with his dad, which is where he will be next year if he doesn't get his priorities straight.
Quote from: TDToomer on December 28, 2023, 04:35:57 PMDo you know how many passes Taylor threw as a rookie? 1. How many he threw his first 4 seasons? 17! So that bar took a while to be set. In other words you don't need to be a 12 year 34 year old vet to be a backup.
He threw 18 his first and 199 in his 1st 4 years. I didn't say he had to be an ancient Qb to be good, simply that if Taylor is considered a really good backup currently then by those same standards Devito isn't. Doesn't mean he won't be but right now he is not good enough to be QB 2 on any team.
Quote from: Ed Vette on December 28, 2023, 04:36:56 PMA man's gotta know his limitations...
Dirty Harry
And he did and retired. He could have been the PS backup and taken over for TT, and Tommy would never have been in the league. He'd be an assistant plumber working with his dad, which is where he will be next year if he doesn't get his priorities straight.
DeVito? Come on? What is with this narrative that these NFL players would be ditch diggers without football? DeVito has a college degree with post graduate studies. Even if they become realtors or Insurance agents it's still a career path. Nothing against being a plumber. Many of them do very well for themselves and have solid careers. But why assume they are destined for a non-college career path?
Quote from: TDToomer on December 28, 2023, 04:57:54 PMDeVito? Come on? What is with this narrative that these NFL players would be ditch diggers without football? DeVito has a college degree with post graduate studies. Even if they become realtors or Insurance agents it's still a career path. Nothing against being a plumber. Many of them do very well for themselves and have solid careers. But why assume they are destined for a non-college career path?
I wasn't disparaging the plumbing industry. His father owns a huge company and he'd be foolish not to get involved in the family business. It's just not football.
Quote from: Ed Vette on December 28, 2023, 05:00:50 PMI wasn't disparaging the plumbing industry. His father owns a huge company and he'd be foolish not to get involved in the family business. It's just not football.
I get that but it seems like every since it was found that Kurt Warner was so down on his luck after college that he was bagging groceries there are football fans who assume none of them can hold down a job that requires an advanced degree. For instance Chase Blackburn was a teacher when the Giants gave him a call to try out after he went unsigned one season.
Quote from: Ed Vette on December 28, 2023, 01:39:12 PMNope, DJ had 24 TD's his rookie season and a 5.2 TD % compared to DT's 4.5%.The Eagles were on their way to shellacking TD in an embarrassing loss. He surely would have lost the last two games. He can't stand in the pocket and deliver a pass because he's too short so he's forced to the sidelines. He can't hit Jalin Hyatt deep because he needs to set up perfectly to throw a deep pass. He missed several open receivers this past game because he holds the ball too long just like Jones. He's more agile in the Pocket but he's slow-footed compared to Jones who had 1900 yards rushing and 13 Touchdowns to add to his passing TD's.
TD hasn't proven anything other than he was a flash in the pan with a gimmick, while spending a lot of time cashing in on his 15 minutes of fame instead of preparing for the Eagles. Contrary to DJ who is the first one in and the last one out of the building and the farthest thing from an attention whore. While Daniel Jones has impeccable character.
I like my fellow Paisan but he needs to put in a lot more work and a lot more time before he can be considered a starter in this league, let alone a Backup. I'm not saying he can't do it. I'm saying he's proven to be a work in progress.
And this Ed, is why you get your balls broken by knowledgeable Members of this Group who care about the integrity of the site and the quality of the content. Love the enthusiasm, lose the baseless hype.
If Waller catches that ball and takes it for a score do you think we're still having this conversation?
Quote from: Ed Vette on December 28, 2023, 04:36:56 PMA man's gotta know his limitations...
Dirty Harry
And he did and retired. He could have been the PS backup and taken over for TT, and Tommy would never have been in the league. He'd be an assistant plumber working with his dad, which is where he will be next year if he doesn't get his priorities straight.
Also, Ed, a fair point with the Webb/Devito comparison. Davis Webb was a third-round pick (#87 overall). Devito was a UDFA that nobody wanted. Brought in by the Giants pretty much as camp fodder, he was cut at the 53 man cut down, received no interest elsewhere across the league, and was thus signed to the Giants' practice squad. In other words, the expectations for Devito were so low as to make his quarterbacking a three-game win streak appear much more impressive than it actually was. His was a nice story but, in the end, TD Tommy was a novelty act that ran its course. My observation is that he has enough talent to develop into a solid back up quarterback, but not a full-time starter.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 28, 2023, 01:58:26 PMIf Tyrod is the bar for a backup Qb and he is one of the better ones. Then no Devito is not currently backup material at this moment.
Except when its crunch time. For a Vet, Tyrod really gets bone headed in the final 2 minutes. Which is perplexing for such an experienced guy
Mr. Thomas DeVito, viewed dispassionately, is a work in progress. Thus far we've seen him breathe life into a moribund team and win some games against mediocre opposition.
We've no real grasp of what would obtain were he given a front five that can maintain a pocket for 5 seconds, several more games-worth of experience under his jersey, and a play-caller imbued with a deep knowledge of his strengths and weaknesses.
Go flag free, Big Blue!
Quote from: Ed Vette on December 28, 2023, 04:36:56 PMA man's gotta know his limitations...
Dirty Harry
And he did and retired. He could have been the PS backup and taken over for TT, and Tommy would never have been in the league. He'd be an assistant plumber working with his dad, which is where he will be next year if he doesn't get his priorities straight.
Actually Ed, Tommy is the only one of the 3 with the possibility of a long term NFL future
TT is too old and injury prone (and cannot process the final minute of a game)
Jones has regressed so badly I'm afraid he cannot be salvaged
Is Tommy perfect- No but he is quite capable and mentally strong
My fear is he switches locker rooms at MetLife and wins a SB with the green team
Quote from: BluesCruz on December 30, 2023, 04:19:39 AMExcept when its crunch time. For a Vet, Tyrod really gets bone headed in the final 2 minutes. Which is perplexing for such an experienced guy
It was one play that was just as much a coaching error. Yet you continue to harp on it on while ignoring devitos faults.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 30, 2023, 12:13:46 PMIt was one play that was just as much a coaching error. Yet you continue to harp on it on while ignoring devitos faults.
One play???? He blew the Bills game with the most bone headed audible in NFL history. What was he thinking- he never explained his logic
This past game he throws to Waller in the middle of the field with practically no time left and no timeouts.
What does this guy not understand about end of game situational football, and clock management
If your life depended upon it who would you choose- Tommy or Tyrod with no timeouts down 7 or 8 with 90 seconds to go?
By contrast when Tommy had to manage the end game against the Packers he put on a fantastic display.
The answer is clear to me...but most people on here likely would go with the veteran believing the two instances I cited were an aberition. I have no logical response.
You hire these veterans so this kind of stuff does not happen.
Tyrod seems to be the exception
Backup? Perhaps, as compared to the dozen others filling the role this season, some quite well, some I guess we could call solid if we know what exactly it means, some rather blah. Needs to be more specific.
Cheers!
Quote from: BluesCruz on December 30, 2023, 12:37:29 PMOne play???? He blew the Bills game with the most bone headed audible in NFL history. What was he thinking- he never explained his logic
This past game he throws to Waller in the middle of the field with practically no time left and no timeouts.
What does this guy not understand about end of game situational football, and clock management
If your life depended upon it who would you choose- Tommy or Tyrod with no timeouts down 7 or 8 with 90 seconds to go?
By contrast when Tommy had to manage the end game against the Packers he put on a fantastic display.
The answer is clear to me...but most people on here likely would go with the veteran believing the two instances I cited were an aberition. I have no logical response.
You hire these veterans so this kind of stuff does not happen.
Tyrod seems to be the exception
your saying a lot, as always but it means absolutely nothing. Tyrod didn't lose the bills game, the error you are referring to happened at the end of the 2nd which was a coaching error because tyrod had just entered the game.
How is Waller laying his ass on the ground and wanting to be subbed a tyrod issue? It makes no sense.
The offense moves with tyrod at quarterback and it doesn't with Devito period.
Devito is not good right now and it's not even close. There is a reason all his teammates and coaches want tyrod starting because he's better.
Quote from: BluesCruz on December 30, 2023, 12:37:29 PMOne play???? He blew the Bills game with the most bone headed audible in NFL history. What was he thinking- he never explained his logic
This past game he throws to Waller in the middle of the field with practically no time left and no timeouts.
What does this guy not understand about end of game situational football, and clock management
If your life depended upon it who would you choose- Tommy or Tyrod with no timeouts down 7 or 8 with 90 seconds to go?
By contrast when Tommy had to manage the end game against the Packers he put on a fantastic display.
The answer is clear to me...but most people on here likely would go with the veteran believing the two instances I cited were an aberition. I have no logical response.
You hire these veterans so this kind of stuff does not happen.
Tyrod seems to be the exception
We've also seen what happens to Devito against better competition. He added some fun to another bad season but the fifteen minutes are over.
Quote from: BluesCruz on December 30, 2023, 07:58:42 AMActually Ed, Tommy is the only one of the 3 with the possibility of a long term NFL future
Tyrod's been in the league 13 years already. I'd be very surprised if Tommy lasts 5-7.
Deveto is a gimmick....... in my opinion, we could use a late round draft pick on a quarterback, that would be much better than him.
No. Next question.