A few years ago when Wilson was on the market I gave my opinion that he was in decline with some push back. There were several who wanted the Giants to sign him.
Now it's very possible that he will be released after this season and look to sign elsewhere for league minimum, while sticking the Broncos for his guaranteed.
Is there anyone here that would like to see the Giants bring him here for 2024 and not draft a QB this upcoming draft?
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/release-not-trade-is-the-most-likely-outcome-for-broncos-and-russell-wilson
Personally I would prefer an experienced vet like Russel Wilson to Dump it off Dan
Wilson would stand up to Kafka and insist we stop the continuous Barkley runs to nowhere and the dumb passes out to the flat that fool no one
I think the conservative play calling did in TommyD last game. and is wearing out Jamie's punting leg
opps sorry Ed
We posted the same thought at the same time
I don't think he is as far in decline as some thought, but I don't want the Giants to sign him.
Quote from: Ed Vette on December 28, 2023, 09:34:13 AMA few years ago when Wilson was on the market I gave my opinion that he was in decline with some push back. There were several who wanted the Giants to sign him.
Now it's very possible that he will be released after this season and look to sign elsewhere for league minimum, while sticking the Broncos for his guaranteed.
Is there anyone here that would like to see the Giants bring him here for 2024 and not draft a QB this upcoming draft?
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/release-not-trade-is-the-most-likely-outcome-for-broncos-and-russell-wilson
Anyone still wanting a twice failed QB, is proof of the old saying about the grass being greener
Quote from: Ed Vette on December 28, 2023, 09:34:13 AMA few years ago when Wilson was on the market I gave my opinion that he was in decline with some push back. There were several who wanted the Giants to sign him.
Now it's very possible that he will be released after this season and look to sign elsewhere for league minimum, while sticking the Broncos for his guaranteed.
Is there anyone here that would like to see the Giants bring him here for 2024 and not draft a QB this upcoming draft?
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/release-not-trade-is-the-most-likely-outcome-for-broncos-and-russell-wilson
Yes, I was one of the pushers! :greetings:
If we did not have Daniel's albatross of a contract, I'd say yes, bring in Russ but still draft a QB. Jones is the sticking point so unless Russ will suppress his ego and take the vet minimum, I'll have to pass. I want a QB in the draft more than I want Russ.
Quote from: MightyGiants on December 28, 2023, 09:40:45 AMAnyone still wanting a twice failed QB, is proof of the old saying about the grass being greener
Twice failed? What are his two failures?
Quote from: uconnjack8 on December 28, 2023, 09:46:32 AMTwice failed? What are his two failures?
Not getting along with Carroll and the Seahawks forcing the trade
2 losing seasons with the Broncos getting his first coach sacked and his current one souring on him
From what I read Wilson has privately known for 2 months that the Broncos are going to cut him before his $37 million guarantee is due this offseason. They asked him to defer the date and he wouldn't so he dared them to cut him.
Quote from: TDToomer on December 28, 2023, 09:50:20 AMNot getting along with Carroll and the Seahawks forcing the trade
2 losing seasons with the Broncos getting his first coach sacked and his current one souring on him
From what I read Wilson has privately known for 2 months that the Broncos are going to cut him before his $37 million guarantee is due this offseason. They asked him to defer the date and he wouldn't so he dared them to cut him.
He won a Super Bowl and got to another with Seattle. He went to the playoffs in 8 of his 1st 9 seasons with the Seahawks. I sure hope the next Giants QB can fail that well.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on December 28, 2023, 09:54:07 AMHe won a Super Bowl and got to another with Seattle. He went to the playoffs in 8 of his 1st 9 seasons with the Seahawks. I sure hope the next Giants QB can fail that well.
He should've won the second but for a horrible goal line call and great play by Malcolm Butler.
Wilson has been ordinary in Denver though this season he has definitely had some better moments. Injury and years have combined to reduce his mobility to average. His arm is still good but his decision-making can be a problem. Too many missed openings due to slow/late reads. Too many turnovers until Payton dumbed it down. Then there is the noise suggesting he is not exactly a unifying presence in the locker room.
I know the contract injury guarantees are an issue but Payton would be hunting solutions not giving up on him if he believed he could win a Super Bowl with him. I'm not betting against his judgement.
As we are stuck with DJ on the payroll for one, possibly two more years we will presumably be looking for a robust bargain QB2 like Minshew. I also think we might be in the Zach Wilson market if he is cut as I can see Daboll thinking he can improve him.
Kerry Collins ll??????
In a heartbeat if we aren't in a position to draft a legitimate starting QB.
Problem is we are stuck with Danny for the coming year. Even if Wilson would take the Vet minimum which he never will as there will be several other teams who would love to sign him, what would he do, sit on the bench while Danny plays catch with his dump-off guys?
If we were looking for a Vet to come in and compete with Danny, then give it a go, but as of now, Danny will be our starter if he is healthy.
We have to understand that, despite last year's mirage, the Giants have a major rebuild. Sadly management stifled the rebuild with Jones contract this past summer. That hamstrings the team's development. Regardless, all is not lost. The Giants need a young, dynamic QB that they can grow around a young and coming team. A vet like Wilson would just delay the rebuild further and because there are so many other parts needed, his presence would not matter.
Give me a cheap Qb ala Minshew, Mayfield, or Tyrod until we can get rid of Jones. That's unless we draft someone.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on December 28, 2023, 09:54:07 AMHe won a Super Bowl and got to another with Seattle. He went to the playoffs in 8 of his 1st 9 seasons with the Seahawks. I sure hope the next Giants QB can fail that well.
Eli Manning won two Super Bowls; should the Giants sign him?
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 28, 2023, 12:39:16 PMGive me a cheap Qb ala Minshew, Mayfield, or Tyrod until we can get rid of Jones. That's unless we draft someone.
Mayfield is no longer going to be cheap. They are saying the Bucs will give him a nice extension. Drew Lock maybe?
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 28, 2023, 12:39:16 PMGive me a cheap Qb ala Minshew, Mayfield, or Tyrod until we can get rid of Jones. That's unless we draft someone.
Minshew!
Gesundheit!
Quote from: TDToomer on December 28, 2023, 01:47:22 PMMayfield is no longer going to be cheap. They are saying the Bucs will give him a nice extension. Drew Lock maybe?
I'd take Brissett and Darnold before Lock.
Quote from: MightyGiants on December 28, 2023, 01:35:21 PMEli Manning won two Super Bowls; should the Giants sign him?
What does that have to do with saying Wilson is a failure? Are you saying Eli was a failure?
Here was my take prior to me asking about the failure comment.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on December 28, 2023, 09:38:53 AMI don't think he is as far in decline as some thought, but I don't want the Giants to sign him.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on December 28, 2023, 01:58:16 PMWhat does that have to do with saying Wilson is a failure? Are you saying Eli was a failure?
Here was my take prior to me asking about the failure comment.
I am talking about Russel Wilson in the here and now, the one that got his arse kicked off the Seahawks and benched by the Broncos. Here and now matters because the discussion is about the Giants acquiring him. Talking about long ago Super Bowls makes about as much sense as talking about Eli Manning's long ago Super Bowls
Imagine if through 15 games Daniel Jones had 26 TD passes, 8 picks, no injuries, and was 7th in the league in QB rating.
Then imagine the reactions here if anyone referred to that as a "failure."
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 30, 2023, 09:05:53 AMImagine if through 15 games Daniel Jones had 26 TD passes, 8 picks, no injuries, and was 7th in the league in QB rating.
Then imagine the reactions here if anyone referred to that as a "failure."
Imagine paying a QB with 11 wins over two seasons and 3000 yards passing season to date 161 million in guaranteed money.
Quote from: Ed Vette on December 30, 2023, 10:11:07 AMImagine paying a QB with 11 wins over two seasons and 3000 yards passing season to date 161 million in guaranteed money.
And giving up five draft picks and three players. Ouch
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