https://x.com/jordanraanan/status/1743640787965944112?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
so if I understand this metric, W or L today has a negligible effect either way. so let's win!
Quote from: President Rick on January 07, 2024, 12:30:46 PMso if I understand this metric, W or L today has a negligible effect either way. so let's win!
No, I think the percents are based off of how likely a Giants win is and how likely teams within 1 win of them do today. They cannot get 2nd, 3rd or 4th with a win.
Quote from: President Rick on January 07, 2024, 12:30:46 PMso if I understand this metric, W or L today has a negligible effect either way. so let's win!
A win eliminates any opportunity to move higher than 5 and likely drops them
https://x.com/Doug_Analytics/status/1744101150591197227?s=20
https://twitter.com/Doug_Analytics/status/1744101150591197227
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 07, 2024, 04:42:04 PMhttps://twitter.com/Doug_Analytics/status/1744101150591197227
We're picking 6. Only we could mess up getting a future qb so badly.
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Quote from: Just_jimmy on January 07, 2024, 05:58:24 PMWe're picking 6. Only we could mess up getting a future qb so badly.
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if they want the QB bad enough, they can move up. Have two 2nd's, next year's first.
Nabers.
Quote from: coggs on January 07, 2024, 06:01:56 PMif they want the QB bad enough, they can move up. Have two 2nd's, next year's first.
The Skins and Pats are basically 100% locks to take QBs. That's two of the big three gone. If the Bears decide to keep Fields, we'd be needing to move up to first, which would cost a lot more than the above. And that's if the Bears make that decision, which is very far from a given.
We may not be able to make it happen even if we want to.
Dave, exactly. They'll have to pay through the nose.
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on January 07, 2024, 06:07:00 PMDave, exactly. They'll have to pay through the nose.
The problem is the best QB on the Giants now is a free agent. He will not be re-signed. They are desperate for a QB.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 07, 2024, 06:04:23 PMThe Skins and Pats are basically 100% locks to take QBs. That's two of the big three gone. If the Bears decide to keep Fields, we'd be needing to move up to first, which would cost a lot more than the above. And that's if the Bears make that decision, which is very far from a given.
We may not be able to make it happen even if we want to.
Chargers are not looking to take a QB. Titans will be 7th. They don't have their 3rd or an extra pick in 1st or 2nd to move up.
If the Giants stay at 6th and decide not to take a QB, the world is wide open for them as they'd likely have their pick of some really outstanding non-QB players.
Quote from: Philosophers on January 07, 2024, 06:53:44 PMIf the Giants stay at 6th and decide not to take a QB, the world is wide open for them as they'd likely have their pick of some really outstanding non-QB players.
In that case they will go with Jones and a capable backup and hope for the best - and prepare to sign a free agent the following year
Quote from: Trench on January 07, 2024, 06:54:56 PMIn that case they will go with Jones and a capable backup and hope for the best - and prepare to sign a free agent the following year
That scenario might cost Daboll his job.
Quote from: katkavage on January 07, 2024, 06:56:10 PMThat scenario might cost Daboll his job.
What else can they do
Quote from: Trench on January 07, 2024, 06:59:41 PMWhat else can they do
Do what they have to do to get a QB.
https://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1744149057717583911?s=20
What if the Giants are afraid that Jones and his neck issues are a big concern? Can they offer an injury settlement if they feel he can't be counted on the be the QB? How does something like this work?
Chargers lose. giants pick 6th
The Giants do what they need to inorder to get Jayden Daniels. That means pick 3 or 4. Do what you need to inorder to get the signal caller.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 07, 2024, 07:46:34 PMThe Giants do what they need to inorder to get Jayden Daniels. That means pick 3 or 4. Do what you need to inorder to get the signal caller.
Agreed, but unless the Bears don't want a QB and plan on keeping Fields, that may not be possible even if we're willing to pay up. I see literally zero chance that both the Commanders and Pats don't take a QB.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 07, 2024, 07:46:34 PMThe Giants do what they need to inorder to get Jayden Daniels. That means pick 3 or 4. Do what you need to inorder to get the signal caller.
QB is easily the team's biggest need. The OL needs some help but is not in awful shape. WR would be nice but not primary. Defense needs another rusher but there are some good young players there.
Quote from: katkavage on January 07, 2024, 07:50:12 PMQB is easily the team's biggest need. The OL needs some help but is not in awful shape. WR would be nice but not primary. Defense needs another rusher but there are some good young players there.
It is not? Their OL just yielded the 2nd most sacks since it became an official stat.
Quote from: coggs on January 07, 2024, 07:54:00 PMIt is not? Their OL just yielded the 2nd most sacks since it became an official stat.
It will be addressed in free agency and in the draft but certainly not a first round pick.
Quote from: katkavage on January 07, 2024, 07:55:42 PMIt will be addressed in free agency and in the draft but certainly not a first round pick.
How has FA OL worked out for the Giants recently?
Quote from: coggs on January 07, 2024, 08:01:18 PMHow has FA OL worked out for the Giants recently?
Has the most recent first round tackle worked out for the Giants?. I'll leave it to the GM to make the decision. It is his job that is on the line.
Quote from: katkavage on January 07, 2024, 08:04:47 PMHas the most recent first round tackle worked out for the Giants?. I'll leave it to the GM to make the decision. It is his job that is on the line.
It is a lot more expensive on the cap to bring in OL FA's. They are almost always overpaid and underperform. With the need for OL talent, if the FA's were worth the money, their team's would lock them up before they get to UFA status.
Quote from: coggs on January 07, 2024, 08:07:09 PMIt is a lot more expensive on the cap to bring in OL FA's. They are almost always overpaid and underperform. With the need for OL talent, if the FA's were worth the money, their team's would lock them up before they get to UFA status.
Like I said, it's on the GM. I just think it's very doubtful the team drafts o line with the sixth pick. Taylor is the closest they have now to a capable QB and he won't be re signed.
Man if we don't draft a Qb at the very least we need to bring in a legit guy to compete because Jones nor Devito is the answer.
Also we need a guy at WR but Wandale and Hyatt should easily be our future #2 and #3. Wandale just makes plays when we have someone that can actually throw it.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 07, 2024, 08:15:46 PMMan if we don't draft a Qb at the very least we need to bring in a legit guy to compete because Jones nor Devito is the answer.
Also we need a guy at WR but Wandale and Hyatt should easily be our future #2 and #3. Wandale just makes plays when we have someone that can actually throw it.
WanDale proved to anyone who said we don't have good receivers that in actuality we do.
I'm wary of trading up to #1 slot Long way to go before that 6th pick is called as well. I'd love to see them add picks as a possible option. More quality picks .the better.
QB
Alpha Wr
2 Olinemen
2nd Edge
RB 1
2nd Corner
DE
Those are the 6 primary needs we have from what I can tell. There's no reason we can't get most of them this offseason.
Quote from: coggs on January 07, 2024, 06:01:56 PMif they want the QB bad enough, they can move up. Have two 2nd's, next year's first.
Or the evaluations come back that the team ahead of us value Penix Jr and Nix more than Daniels. If not we take a receiver and go for whichever qb drops in the 2nd.
Quote from: madbadger on January 07, 2024, 08:43:38 PMOr the evaluations come back that the team ahead of us value Penix Jr and Nix more than Daniels. If not we take a receiver and go for whichever qb drops in the 2nd.
Someone is bound to move up or down. I could definitely see the evaluation process cause 1 of the presumed top 3 to drop.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 07, 2024, 08:52:44 PMSomeone is bound to move up or down. I could definitely see the evaluation process cause 1 of the presumed top 3 to drop.
Absolutely true. But most say Williams is a lock at one
If New England moves to 1 to leapfrog the Commaders, it doesn't really matter. Real issue is if Tennessee or Atlanta try to move up ahead of the Giants.
Quote from: coggs on January 07, 2024, 08:59:06 PMIf New England moves to 1 to leapfrog the Commaders, it doesn't really matter. Real issue is if Tennessee or Atlanta try to move up ahead of the Giants.
Tennessee won't. Giants can't let Atlanta do it. Not if they are trying to take who the Giants want.
Quote from: katkavage on January 07, 2024, 09:02:04 PMTennessee won't. Giants can't let Atlanta do it. Not if they are trying to take who the Giants want.
Agree. Titans just drafted Levins. Atlanta might be the team to get desperate..they are in the qb market.
Montana in the third, Brady in the sixth, Purdy Mr. Irrelevant. It's sometimes not what the "can't miss" prospect has done, but what Daboll etal thinks a prospect who has shown talent can become in his system. I don't want to give up draft capital, there are too many holes. We need some luck.
Damn I want one of the top 2-3 QBs
But I certainly don't want to have to trade next years 1st round pick and others to move up either
Quote from: coggs on January 07, 2024, 06:01:56 PMif they want the QB bad enough, they can move up. Have two 2nd's, next year's first.
Depending on who has the pick and what they wish to do.
Two 2nd and a 1st won't be enough that's for sure
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Quote from: files58 on January 08, 2024, 12:03:31 AMMontana in the third, Brady in the sixth, Purdy Mr. Irrelevant. It's sometimes not what the "can't miss" prospect has done, but what Daboll etal thinks a prospect who has shown talent can become in his system. I don't want to give up draft capital, there are too many holes. We need some luck.
Daboll apparently thought Daniel Jones was that guy.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 07, 2024, 08:40:20 PMQB
Alpha Wr
2 Olinemen
2nd Edge
RB 1
2nd Corner
DE
Those are the 6 primary needs we have from what I can tell. There's no reason we can't get most of them this offseason.
[/quoQuote from: madbadger on January 07, 2024, 08:43:38 PMOr the evaluations come back that the team ahead of us value Penix Jr and Nix more than Daniels. If not we take a receiver and go for whichever qb drops in the 2nd.
Quote from: madbadger on January 07, 2024, 08:43:38 PMOr the evaluations come back that the team ahead of us value Penix Jr and Nix more than Daniels. If not we take a receiver and go for whichever qb drops in the 2nd.
What about Cam Ward from Washington State, JJ McCarthy , The QB from Tulanre ?
Quote from: files58 on January 08, 2024, 12:03:31 AMMontana in the third, Brady in the sixth, Purdy Mr. Irrelevant. It's sometimes not what the "can't miss" prospect has done, but what Daboll etal thinks a prospect who has shown talent can become in his system. I don't want to give up draft capital, there are too many holes. We need some luck.
You forgot Dak Prescott in the 4th round, Jalen Hurts in the second round and Lamar Jackson with the 32nd pick
I don't think there is any doubt whatever that the Schoen/Daboll Giants expect Daniel Jones to be their starting QB in the coming season as dictated by economic exigency whether or not they share more confidence in him than most here seem to want to process. At this point, we have no idea as to whether they will look to draft his intended successor in Round 1, or more of a contingent addition with one of their 2nds.
There is nothing to stop us from deciding who by name should be the new, the next, Giants QB but we might want to leave room for it to be a decision made more like 16 than 4 months from now. I know, I hear you, Bummer!
Cheers!
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on January 08, 2024, 01:55:03 AMWhat about Cam Ward from Washington State, JJ McCarthy , The QB from Tulanre ?
The 3 are really raw and not day 1 starters.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 08, 2024, 10:46:24 AMThe 3 are really raw and not day 1 starters.
They don't need a Day 1 starter. They need they future franchise QB. Jones is on the team next year whether we as fans like it or not. If you draft someone raw that you think is the right guy, he can sit a year.
My biggest issue with that idea is that if the team doesn't improve there will be regime change and the new QB will have a different set of coaches in year 2. But otherwise, I think "ready day 1" is overrated. I was told Baker Mayfield was the most pro-ready of any QB in his class. Many also stated he was not the most talented of the group.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 08, 2024, 11:13:16 AMThey don't need a Day 1 starter. They need they future franchise QB. Jones is on the team next year whether we as fans like it or not. If you draft someone raw that you think is the right guy, he can sit a year.
My biggest issue with that idea is that if the team doesn't improve there will be regime change and the new QB will have a different set of coaches in year 2. But otherwise, I think "ready day 1" is overrated. I was told Baker Mayfield was the most pro-ready of any QB in his class. Many also stated he was not the most talented of the group.
I just don't think you can let Jones back on the field. There needs to be an established culture that his horrible play is unacceptable and it doesn't matter how much money he makes. If he plays like trash, which he does then he shouldn't be on the field.
That's why I think we need a day 1 starters, because this offseason will be a failure if Jones has to trot out there at any point next season. Whether that's getting a bridge Qb or drafting one, Jones can't be out there after what tyrod did in his absence.
Obviously just my opinion.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 08, 2024, 12:19:23 PMI just don't think you can let Jones back on the field. There needs to be an established culture that his horrible play is unacceptable and it doesn't matter how much money he makes. If he plays like trash, which he does then he shouldn't be on the field.
That's why I think we need a day 1 starters, because this offseason will be a failure if Jones has to trot out there at any point next season. Whether that's getting a bridge Qb or drafting one, Jones can't be out there after what tyrod did in his absence.
Obviously just my opinion.
I get what you are saying and I don't disagree from a coaching standpoint in particular. Putting a subpar player on the field to satisfy management and/or financials is good way to lose the locker room.
That being said, I think the reality is going to be that he is on the team and starting (for at least part of) next year if healthy.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 08, 2024, 12:25:31 PMI get what you are saying and I don't disagree from a coaching standpoint in particular. Putting a subpar player on the field to satisfy management and/or financials is good way to lose the locker room.
That being said, I think the reality is going to be that he is on the team and starting (for at least part of) next year if healthy.
Not to mention that playing him is putting the head coach's job at risk. After this season it was so clear that Taylor, a lifer backup, was better than Jones. I'd feel much better if Taylor was the starter, but I don't like that either considering he gets injured as often as Jones does.