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Title: PFF Heroes and Goats the Eagles game part 2
Post by: MightyGiants on January 08, 2024, 12:58:04 PM
OFFENSE

Heroes

Saquon Barkley
Andrew Thomas
Darren Waller
Wan'Dale Robinson

Goats

Matt Peart
Daniel Bellinger

Tyrod's grade- 69.4

DEFENSE

Heroes

Xavier McKinney (elite)
Micah McFadden (elite)
Nick McCloud (elite)
Dexter Lawrence (elite)
Jihad Ward

Goats

Tre Hawkins III
Cor'Dale Flott
Jordon Riley
Azeez Ojulari

Note-  Simmons just missed the Goat list with a 55.0



https://x.com/PFF_Giants/status/1744413541233242238?s=20
 
Title: Re: PFF Heroes and Goats the Eagles game part 2
Post by: DaveBrown74 on January 08, 2024, 01:11:48 PM
Rich,

There was a fair bit of debate in the game thread about the caliber of game Thibodeaux was having. Do you mind revealing what his grade was for this game?
Title: Re: PFF Heroes and Goats the Eagles game part 2
Post by: TDToomer on January 08, 2024, 01:23:56 PM
I am surprised that Hawkins played enough snaps to qualify for the Goat list. I don't remember seeing on the field.
Title: Re: PFF Heroes and Goats the Eagles game part 2
Post by: MightyGiants on January 08, 2024, 02:15:57 PM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 08, 2024, 01:11:48 PMRich,

There was a fair bit of debate in the game thread about the caliber of game Thibodeaux was having. Do you mind revealing what his grade was for this game?

58.7

Keep in mind players start with a 60, so overall his play detracted from the baseline rather than added to it
Title: Re: PFF Heroes and Goats the Eagles game part 2
Post by: MightyGiants on January 08, 2024, 02:16:37 PM
Quote from: TDToomer on January 08, 2024, 01:23:56 PMI am surprised that Hawkins played enough snaps to qualify for the Goat list. I don't remember seeing on the field.

According to PFF Hawkins played 26 snaps
Title: Re: PFF Heroes and Goats the Eagles game part 2
Post by: DaveBrown74 on January 08, 2024, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 08, 2024, 02:15:57 PM58.7

Keep in mind players start with a 60, so overall his play detracted from the baseline rather than added to it

Thanks.

Seems like the big knock on him is that he has been inconsistent and has tended to disappear in games against anyone good.
Title: Re: PFF Heroes and Goats the Eagles game part 2
Post by: MightyGiants on January 08, 2024, 02:20:28 PM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 08, 2024, 02:17:53 PMThanks.

Seems like the big knock on him is that he has been inconsistent and has tended to disappear in games against anyone good.

I have heard people talk about Batman and Robin regarding pass rushers.   The Batman is the guy teams are scared of and game plan for.  The Robin is good but more of a complementary piece.

Right now, I think KT is more a Robin than a Batman.   When you draft a player 5th overall, you hope to land a Batman.
Title: Re: PFF Heroes and Goats the Eagles game part 2
Post by: sooners56 on January 08, 2024, 04:25:36 PM
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 08, 2024, 02:20:28 PMI have heard people talk about Batman and Robin regarding pass rushers.   The Batman is the guy teams are scared of and game plan for.  The Robin is good but more of a complementary piece.

Right now, I think KT is more a Robin than a Batman.   When you draft a player 5th overall, you hope to land a Batman.

Good analogy! I too think Thibs is more Robin than Batman. Although, with Wink gone it will be interesting how the new DCoordinator will use Thibs and if Thibs will benefit from the new scheme.
Title: Re: PFF Heroes and Goats the Eagles game part 2
Post by: Trench on January 08, 2024, 04:30:50 PM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 08, 2024, 02:17:53 PMThanks.

Seems like the big knock on him is that he has been inconsistent and has tended to disappear in games against anyone good.

I'm going to give Thibs the benefit of the doubt and say most was in the way Wink utilized him. Remember, Wink also got on him early on in public. I think there is more to the Wink/Thibs story and it reflected in the young man's play
Title: Re: PFF Heroes and Goats the Eagles game part 2
Post by: SUPERSEE on January 08, 2024, 09:08:12 PM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 08, 2024, 02:17:53 PMThanks.

Seems like the big knock on him is that he has been inconsistent and has tended to disappear in games against anyone good.
he's a lb playing end .. giants should go back to 4-3


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Title: Re: PFF Heroes and Goats the Eagles game part 2
Post by: Bigmoose on January 08, 2024, 10:02:28 PM
Quote from: SUPERSEE on January 08, 2024, 09:08:12 PMhe's a lb playing end .. giants should go back to 4-3


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Or how about a true 3-4?
Title: Re: PFF Heroes and Goats the Eagles game part 2
Post by: MightyGiants on January 09, 2024, 09:04:48 AM
Quote from: SUPERSEE on January 08, 2024, 09:08:12 PMhe's a lb playing end .. giants should go back to 4-3


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LBers in a 4-3 scheme generally only rush on blitzes.  So if you switch to a 4-3 with the idea that KT will play LBer you are pretty much taking away the pass rush aspect of his game.