1. If there is anyway to get a top 1-3 QB and there isn't much of a fall off between them, I'd be open. If there is a wide margin then I'd pass unfortunately.
2. We need RT, and a possible Guard. That would give us Andrew Thomas, (new guard or Evan), JMS, (new guard or Evan) and new RT.
3. Pass rusher & another CB.
4. WR
So 1 QB, 2 O-Lineman at least, 1 CB, 1PR and 1 WR. Then of course if we go for a move for a QB it will cost us picks, if we don't then we have several more picks we can use to bolster the team.
I'm all in on a WR but I am also smart enough to know if the line can't block and the QB can't throw the ball, a WR is just a shiny hood ornament!!! Just can't see the Giants draftng a LT just to move them to RT. No guards are worth the 6th pick so the Giants are kind of in WR territory only at pick 6. No defensive players appear to be worth the 6th pick either.
Quote from: sooners56 on January 08, 2024, 10:44:58 PMI'm all in on a WR but I am also smart enough to know if the line can't block and the QB can't throw the ball, a WR is just a shiny hood ornament!!! Just can't see the Giants draftng a LT just to move them to RT. No guards are worth the 6th pick so the Giants are kind of in WR territory only at pick 6. No defensive players appear to be worth the 6th pick either.
I agree the WR spot is near bottom pickings unless an unreal talent. I prefer a QB, RT or pass rusher in the first 2-3 rounds. All depends what's on the board and need.
Qb
Edge
Wr
Corner
RB
Oline
Safety
First 4 are the priority, as I think we need plug and play Olinemen in FA.
If Penix jr lights it up tonight, he might be off the board by #6
I hope not. He is a "cruise missile" to success
In the event that there is a trade-up opportunity to get a top 3 QB, AND our front office is very sold on that player after all their due diligence, I would be open to it. I know many disagree with that, and I understand and respect that point of view, but that is my opinion. I just think getting a true franchise QB is very difficult, and I feel like this is a robust year for that and we're not that far from the top of the draft. I realize the cost will feel exorbitant, but it won't if the pick hits. Obviously if the pick doesn't hit, it will really hurt, but I can't imagine things being much worse than they've been.
Assuming that's not an option or our front office isn't sufficiently in love with one of the top three to pay the requisite price, I think the focus should remain on improving the offense. So that will mean an OT, a WR, or Bowers. Within that group, I'd be fine with a BPA approach. I kind of quiver at the idea of drafting yet another O lineman in the top 7 of the draft (will be our third in four years), but Neal has been that big of a bust that I guess I can get on board with it.
If a QB isn't there, then an EDGE should be the pick.. we really gotta get the pass rush going again.
Quote from: drewsg on January 09, 2024, 03:45:43 PMIf a QB isn't there, then an EDGE should be the pick.. we really gotta get the pass rush going again.
Sounds good but what edge is worthy of the 6th overall pick?
All depends on what we do in free agency. That will change everything
IMHO, the best move we could make is to trade down and get more draft capital, but that's neither here nor there. We still need a no.1 WR, three GOOD offensive linemen, a replacement for Leo on the d-line, another ER, and players who double as great ST guys. But that's just me. I am not in the camp that we need to grab a QB unless it's later in the draft, and it's someone Schoen/Daboll wants to groom for down the road. I don't believe for a second they are wanting to start over in a QB lottery. They have more faith in DJ than some fans do...just my opinion, don't smack me down please
Since the biggest investment is the player taken in the first round, the best use of financial resources is QB, WR, and ER. Unfortunately, more QBs taken in the first round wash out or, at best, become backups down the road. It's a crap shoot and the odds suck
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on January 09, 2024, 07:16:27 PMAll depends on what we do in free agency. That will change everything
IMHO, the best move we could make is to trade down and get more draft capital, but that's neither here nor there. We still need a no.1 WR, three GOOD offensive linemen, a replacement for Leo on the d-line, another ER, and players who double as great ST guys. But that's just me. I am not in the camp that we need to grab a QB unless it's later in the draft, and it's someone Schoen/Daboll wants to groom for down the road. I don't believe for a second they are wanting to start over in a QB lottery. They have more faith in DJ than some fans do...just my opinion, don't smack me down please
I totally agree. Before we do our mock drafts and try and predict what we will do in rounds 1 and 2 , let's see what happens in Free agency .
Since the biggest investment is the player taken in the first round, the best use of financial resources is QB, WR, and ER. Unfortunately, more QBs taken in the first round wash out or, at best, become backups down the road. It's a crap shoot and the odds suck
I will never complain about taking OL or DL. There are 2 stud OT's, I would love to get one. Move Neal to guard.
Unfortunately, QB is #1 priority. I agree with Dave. I'll pay the price to get the right one.
It pains me we are still working on the O line. I'd like a quality FA and top 3 rd pick as well.
There are more needs, but those are a must in my view to not waste another season.
As normal the FA OT group is less than stellar. Good OT do not hit the market unless ancient/injured. We might pick up a G on a Glowinski style risk/reward deal and almost certainly we will draft at least one OL day 2 or 3.
Day 1 draft I think BPA at 6 or slight trade back will be WR or Bowers. I do not see us having the ammunition to easily trade up. So far Schoen has been controlled aggression with small trades rather than a swing for the fences guy but maybe he will feel circumstances demand a bigger risk.
The QB is the absolute need. If they really feel that they can't trade up, or don't like who they can get where they are, then I would trade the pick for more picks including another number one next year if possible. They will be bad again next year without better QB play unless Taylor stays, is the starter, and remains healthy, none of which will happen. It also might mean a start over at coach. So here we go again and again. And yes, I know Jones will be on the team, that is understood. I don't see how realistically he will be anything close to 100 percent by the first game and his 100 percent is mediocre at best anyway. Either way, he seems like a hard working, good kid and will help out whoever they draft of bring in.
There is a real good chance the Giants will have the 4th choice of QBs if the Bears decide to take one. No way the chargers don't trade back to a team that wants a QB.
Early predictions are looking more and more like a WR but I would take a oline Tackle even if that means he plays on the right for the 1st time in his career.
They have to fix this oline and the two tackles on the roster are injury prone!
We're still 14-15 weeks out with free agency to come so hard to say what we want from the draft but here is what I think the Giants still need:
1. QB - Gone into this ad nauseum on this board so no need to rehash
2. OL - We probably need two new guards here but Neal is obviously a huge question mark as well. There are guards that will be available in FA and I hope the Giants make a splash there but also a bunch of guys that will be available in day 2 or 3 of the draft. If they want to move on from Neal, there's 4-5 first round tackles that would be available for us in the draft.
3. EDGE - They need somebody to put on the other side of KT. Ojulari is too unreliable. Another position where as many as 5 or more could go in the first round to early 2nd.
4. WR - A big X type would be nice but I would't prioritize it over the other areas mentioned above.
5. DL - Would like another depth piece here. Again, this is a position that can be addressed on day 2 or 3 of the draft.
6. CB - Can always use more depth
The top 3 above are what the Giants NEED. WR is a nice to have and the others are more about getting depth but this is what I feel the Giants need to look at. The defensive personnel is also contingent on the new DC and what they want to do.
Quote from: jgrangers2 on January 10, 2024, 08:18:29 AMWe're still 14-15 weeks out with free agency to come so hard to say what we want from the draft but here is what I think the Giants still need:
1. QB - Gone into this ad nauseum on this board so no need to rehash
2. OL - We probably need two new guards here but Neal is obviously a huge question mark as well. There are guards that will be available in FA and I hope the Giants make a splash there but also a bunch of guys that will be available in day 2 or 3 of the draft. If they want to move on from Neal, there's 4-5 first round tackles that would be available for us in the draft.
3. EDGE - They need somebody to put on the other side of KT. Ojulari is too unreliable. Another position where as many as 5 or more could go in the first round to early 2nd.
4. WR - A big X type would be nice but I would't prioritize it over the other areas mentioned above.
5. DL - Would like another depth piece here. Again, this is a position that can be addressed on day 2 or 3 of the draft.
6. CB - Can always use more depth
The top 3 above are what the Giants NEED. WR is a nice to have and the others are more about getting depth but this is what I feel the Giants need to look at. The defensive personnel is also contingent on the new DC and what they want to do.
Yeah pretty much what I have on my board also with RB1 and an additional safety lower down on the board.
Quote from: jgrangers2 on January 10, 2024, 08:18:29 AMWe're still 14-15 weeks out with free agency to come so hard to say what we want from the draft but here is what I think the Giants still need:
1. QB - Gone into this ad nauseum on this board so no need to rehash
2. OL - We probably need two new guards here but Neal is obviously a huge question mark as well. There are guards that will be available in FA and I hope the Giants make a splash there but also a bunch of guys that will be available in day 2 or 3 of the draft. If they want to move on from Neal, there's 4-5 first round tackles that would be available for us in the draft.
3. EDGE - They need somebody to put on the other side of KT. Ojulari is too unreliable. Another position where as many as 5 or more could go in the first round to early 2nd.
4. WR - A big X type would be nice but I would't prioritize it over the other areas mentioned above.
5. DL - Would like another depth piece here. Again, this is a position that can be addressed on day 2 or 3 of the draft.
6. CB - Can always use more depth
The top 3 above are what the Giants NEED. WR is a nice to have and the others are more about getting depth but this is what I feel the Giants need to look at. The defensive personnel is also contingent on the new DC and what they want to do.
pretty much the way I see it.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 10, 2024, 10:30:21 AMYeah pretty much what I have on my board also with RB1 and an additional safety lower down on the board.
Jesse: unlike others here, I am not troubled that we are not picking say at 1 or 2 to grab a QB. I think the Giants want the following:
QB - they are willing to draft a QB but don't feel it's a 100% need as it was with drafting Eli and DJ. That said, they will look for a QB who brings foundational skills necessary for the position: 1) great mechanics; 2) fast analytical mind that sees a defense and can break it down quickly; 3) a leader and someone who is coachable and wants to develop. For this relative need, I do not believe the Giants care much about college production much. They want to develop a QB but he must have these foundational skills. Whether we like it or not, I think someone like JJ McCarthy fits this description and will be someone they look at closely, not at 6 but maybe in a trade back.
WR - Giants need an X desperately. Prior drafts had lots of WRs but few true X type WRs. This draft is loaded with them. Not just MHJR, Nabers, Coleman but Brian Thomas (LSU), Xavier Leggette (South Carolina), and Tony Franklin (Oregon) plus a host of others. I mean look at Leggette. He is like 6'4" 227 pounds and may run a 4.29 40. Those are DK Metcalf type numbers. I don't love his productivity as first few years he did very little in college. Was he just raw? Poor listener/stupid? At 6, the Giants can grab a day 1 starter, but frankly, they can grab a day 1 starter in the 2nd round as well and probably the 3rd round.
OL - Luke Pettigout convinced me that ND OL may not be 5 star quality prospects but they are really coachable and seem to have enough athleticism that coupled with a great work ethic lead to a good NFL career. I see Joe Alt from Notre Dame as possessing those exact qualities. Here is where I want the Giants to be more like the Eagles who admit mistakes and move on quickly rather than try to fit a square peg into a round hole. If Neal is unsalvageable, then move on. The Giants new OL coach needs to sit NOW with Neal and work with him, talk to him and figure out quickly if he is salvageable and if not, move on. Olu from Penn State is very good but I see him more as a OLT. He's of less interest to me. One OT prospect I really like is Tanner Morgan from Arizona. He moves more like a TE -- fast and balanced. Solid player who has developed well -- think 3 star player who will be an NFL starter. He's a guy that I think goes 2nd/3rd round.