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I'm curious what people would do now if they were in Jerry Jones' position.

I think they're stuck with Dak for one more season. They need a new coaching staff either way.

I voted for the second option. The defense deserves just as much blame, but you don't get rid of talented players on D because of playoff failures. You keep adding talent to your core and address the coaching.

At Jerry's age, I don't think there is a solution.   I mean, the best case is Jerry Jones becomes a hands-off owner, allows his son to be the GM and run the team, and hopes they turn things around before he dies.

It will take time to convince the NFL that Jerry is truly hands-off.  When that happens, the Cowboys can attract better head coaches (he already overpays and ensures the best lower-level coaches).

The Cowboys may also need to rethink their character optional (they can manage the worst people) approach to team building (that allows them to generate more talent because they don't take players off their board for character concerns).   A higher-character team may be able to handle the greater challenges the playoffs bring.


I think anything short of those drastic changes is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Its simple ...Fire Macarthy and hire Belichick. ... both are getting older and now is the time to win.
Macarthy has one year left on contract and that makes it easy for Jerre. If Bill can't do it with that talent nobody can...especialy on defense..

Quote from: Woody on January 15, 2024, 09:40:35 AMIts simple ...Fire Macarthy and hire Belichick. ... both are getting older and now is the time to win.
Macarthy has one year left on contract and that makes it easy for Jerre. If Bill can't do it with that talent nobody can...especialy on defense..

Bill Belichick is used to and expects complete control of his team, and Jerry Jones is used to and expects complete control of his team (and his head coach).   Can you imagine what would happen when those two mix?

Jerrah will change the staff (or at least McCarthy) at his age; he always references urgency in that regard. He looked shocked yesterday.

Question is what comes next? Dak will be there-whose better available? Cousins? And they have some big contracts looming (Parsons, CD), so a refit is in order with personal cap-wise. Still, they have talent but capsize at the most critical moments.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 15, 2024, 09:42:54 AMBill Belichick is used to and expects complete control of his team, and Jerry Jones is used to and expects complete control of his team (and his head coach).   Can you imagine what would happen when those two mix?

I agree that it's not a match made in heaven, but it won't surprise me at all if it happens. Assuming Belichick's number one goal is to break Shula's record, this is the obvious place for him to go. Even if the Cowboys are playoff chokers, they have won 12 or more games three years in a row with a middling coach. Neither the Falcons or Commanders are anywhere nearly as good. While he and Jones might not be the best partnership personality-wise, it is so much in each man's interest that I could see them hashing something out and just trying it.

If Belichick ends up in Atlanta I also won't be surprised, but my base case now is actually Dallas.

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on January 15, 2024, 08:37:04 AMI think they're stuck with Dak for one more season. They need a new coaching staff either way.

I voted for the second option. The defense deserves just as much blame, but you don't get rid of talented players on D because of playoff failures. You keep adding talent to your core and address the coaching.

True.. I guess there is not much they can do about Dak in 2024. Plus with over 4500 passing yards, 36 TD passes, and a 106 rating he didn't exactly suck this year. Seems like they could get away from him after 2024 though.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 15, 2024, 10:17:03 AMI agree that it's not a match made in heaven, but it won't surprise me at all if it happens. Assuming Belichick's number one goal is to break Shula's record, this is the obvious place for him to go. Even if the Cowboys are playoff chokers, they have won 12 or more games three years in a row with a middling coach. Neither the Falcons or Commanders are anywhere nearly as good. While he and Jones might not be the best partnership personality-wise, it is so much in each man's interest that I could see them hashing something out and just trying it.

If Belichick ends up in Atlanta I also won't be surprised, but my base case now is actually Dallas.

I agree. Why couldn't it happen? I mean, if Jones managed to reel in the Big Tuna, why couldn't he also manage to grab his protégé as well?

But Big Bill didn't fare any better in the playoffs as he went one and done twice with the Cowboys. Can Little Bill do any better with what's on the current roster?

Let's see how it all plays out.

Peace!

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 15, 2024, 10:17:03 AMI agree that it's not a match made in heaven, but it won't surprise me at all if it happens. Assuming Belichick's number one goal is to break Shula's record, this is the obvious place for him to go. Even if the Cowboys are playoff chokers, they have won 12 or more games three years in a row with a middling coach. Neither the Falcons or Commanders are anywhere nearly as good. While he and Jones might not be the best partnership personality-wise, it is so much in each man's interest that I could see them hashing something out and just trying it.

If Belichick ends up in Atlanta I also won't be surprised, but my base case now is actually Dallas.

Do you remember how many Dallas assistant coaches and coordinators made the top coaches list (according to players)?   McCarthy may not be a great head coach (I would say a slightly above average), but the assistants are the best money can by.  Belichick's assistants of late have been less than impressive.   So I also wonder exactly how much of an upgrade an aging Belichick will prove to be.

Quote from: kartanoman on January 15, 2024, 10:28:05 AMI agree. Why couldn't it happen? I mean, if Jones managed to reel in the Big Tuna, why couldn't he also manage to grab his protégé as well?

But Big Bill didn't fare any better in the playoffs as he went one and done twice with the Cowboys. Can Little Bill do any better with what's on the current roster?

Let's see how it all plays out.

Peace!

Tuna also was also in a divorce drama and got a nice cash influx. And was a PR win for Jerry World. I don't see Lil Bill there. He can break the record elsewhere.

Quote from: kartanoman on January 15, 2024, 10:28:05 AMI agree. Why couldn't it happen? I mean, if Jones managed to reel in the Big Tuna, why couldn't he also manage to grab his protégé as well?

But Big Bill didn't fare any better in the playoffs as he went one and done twice with the Cowboys. Can Little Bill do any better with what's on the current roster?

Let's see how it all plays out.

Peace!

The Cowboys' roster is much, much better than the Pats'. The Pats' roster is awful, and of course I blame Bill for that, but he'd be coming in to a ready-made situation in Dallas and would only be there for a few years most likely. 3-4 years would be my guess.

I'm not sure Jones would be wiling to give the whole keys to Bill. Jones certainly isn't going to step completely aside. An 81 year old guy who has done the same thing for decades ain't changing at 81.

Bottom line I feel like when a situation is as symbiotic as this one appears to be, two adults can figure out a way to each make some compromises and make it work.

If Jones is interested, I really struggle seeing Bill pick Atlanta or Washington over them. Those teams are vastly inferior in terms of the roster, and we're you about to turn 72, you're not thinking about a 10 year outlook.

I would expect BB's phone has been ringing all morning. For those that say BB and JJ can't get along, or BB wants full control, remember BP went to work for JJ and he thrived (at least until Romo couldn't handle a snap). Whatever the workplace was, I'm sure BP had as much control as he wanted.
In BB's case, I think at his age, he wouldn't need full control. That is what the press is saying. I truly believe that if BB is to coach again, Dallas is the perfect place for him. They are ready to win and he wants to get to that most wins number badly. Dallas has the defense in place and the offense can take them over the top. All the other places it is a fix it before you can take that next step. Dallas holds everything BB would ever want right now. Remember Dallas seems to have the best front office, and best scouting so who needs full control?
I would expect him to be getting that call sometime today.

Quote from: LennG on January 15, 2024, 10:54:38 AMI would expect BB's phone has been ringing all morning. For those that say BB and JJ can't get along, or BB wants full control, remember BP went to work for JJ and he thrived (at least until Romo couldn't handle a snap). Whatever the workplace was, I'm sure BP had as much control as he wanted.
In BB's case, I think at his age, he wouldn't need full control. That is what the press is saying. I truly believe that if BB is to coach again, Dallas is the perfect place for him. They are ready to win and he wants to get to that most wins number badly. Dallas has the defense in place and the offense can take them over the top. All the other places it is a fix it before you can take that next step. Dallas holds everything BB would ever want right now. Remember Dallas seems to have the best front office, and best scouting so who needs full control?
I would expect him to be getting that call sometime today.

Len,

In fairness, Parcells was a master manipulator and motivator.  If anyone could play Jerrah it was Tuna.  Bill Belichick is more of an Xs and Os and maybe a culture genius.  So just because Parcells could handle the Cowboy's HC challenge, I don't think it's an indicator BB can do the same.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 15, 2024, 11:04:07 AMLen,

In fairness, Parcells was a master manipulator and motivator.  If anyone could play Jerrah it was Tuna.  Bill Belichick is more of an Xs and Os and maybe a culture genius.  So just because Parcells could handle the Cowboy's HC challenge, I don't think it's an indicator BB can do the same.

As I said, BB doesn't need full control. That is something that has been speculated in the media. At his age, why would he need that headache? Dallas is the perfect scenario for BB. A team that can win it all just needing the right coaching staff.

Dak is the weak link. He's a terrific man but he chokes in big situations like DJ.

Why are the Cowboys the only team with such a post mortem after a playoff loss? What do Stan Kroenke, Jimmy Haslim and Stephen Ross do now? How are the proceeding with their franchises?

Quote from: TDToomer on January 15, 2024, 11:46:13 AMWhy are the Cowboys the only team with such a post mortem after a playoff loss? What do Stan Kroenke, Jimmy Haslim and Stephen Ross do now? How are the proceeding with their franchises?

It may have slipped below the radar and few may know that it's your job to pick apart the OP of threads and weak posts. Just know that your efforts have not gone unnoticed and your efforts are commendable. Keep up the good work!

Quote from: LennG on January 15, 2024, 11:10:54 AMAs I said, BB doesn't need full control. That is something that has been speculated in the media. At his age, why would he need that headache? Dallas is the perfect scenario for BB. A team that can win it all just needing the right coaching staff.

Len,

There was speculation that part of the reason Belichick and the Pats parted ways was the Pats wanted to hire a true GM, and the Pats didn't believe Belichick would be on board with that.   I can't say with certainty that is true, but that is what I heard.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 15, 2024, 12:55:59 PMLen,

There was speculation that part of the reason Belichick and the Pats parted ways was the Pats wanted to hire a true GM, and the Pats didn't believe Belichick would be on board with that.   I can't say with certainty that is true, but that is what I heard.

I have also heard, and have no idea if it is true, that BB wouldn't mind handing the reins over to a compet ent guy and just leaving the coaching to him. We all know he wants that all-time win number and with Dallas, it's the easiest way there. At his age, would he really want a rebuild?

I'd pull all my hair out  ~X(

I would trade this years number 1, number2, next year's number 1 plus Dak Prescott to The Bears for their number 1 and Justin Fields and draft either Williams or Maye

Who cares about some entitled billionaires problems. It's a cap league where you need an edge and Jerry willing the glory days are over.

He got entitled because everything Jinny Johnson did for this team.

He reminds me of that boss who throws everyone under the bus when there's a mistake but takes the credit when good things happen

Quote from: Fletch on January 18, 2024, 07:59:16 AMWho cares about some entitled billionaires problems. It's a cap league where you need an edge and Jerry willing the glory days are over.

He got entitled because everything Jinny Johnson did for this team.

He reminds me of that boss who throws everyone under the bus when there's a mistake but takes the credit when good things happen

The mega-rich owners still enjoy an edge, even in the cap era.  While money spent on players is capped, the money spent on your front office, scouting, and coaching staff is unlimited.  The money spent on your facilities (including the player's training facilities) is unlimited.

There is a reason it's rare to hear a Dallas assistant coach being hired away or someone from their excellent scouting program being hired away.  These guys are making more money with Dallas than they would if they left for the "promotion".

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 18, 2024, 08:47:56 AMThe mega-rich owners still enjoy an edge, even in the cap era.  While money spent on players is capped, the money spent on your front office, scouting, and coaching staff is unlimited.  The money spent on your facilities (including the player's training facilities) is unlimited.

There is a reason it's rare to hear a Dallas assistant coach being hired away or someone from their excellent scouting program being hired away.  These guys are making more money with Dallas than they would if they left for the "promotion".

OK fine , but he had a great coach in Jimmy Johnson and he acted like they won a Super Bowl because of Jerry. The dolt then goes and fires him and it was never the same. But then again that was a long time ago. I suspect it would still be the same thing now if it was 5 SBs instead of 3.

Word is McCarthy is staying.

Quote from: Fletch on January 18, 2024, 10:58:46 AMOK fine , but he had a great coach in Jimmy Johnson and he acted like they won a Super Bowl because of Jerry. The dolt then goes and fires him and it was never the same. But then again that was a long time ago. I suspect it would still be the same thing now if it was 5 SBs instead of 3.

Jimmy Johnson was never fired. He resigned when word got out that Jones drunkenly told a group of people that anyone could have coached his loaded teams to a Super Bowl after winning 2 in a row in 1993. Turns out he was partially right. Barry Switzer was the bum who won it all 2 years later with many of the same core players.

Quote from: TDToomer on January 18, 2024, 12:08:13 PMJimmy Johnson was never fired. He resigned when word got out that Jones drunkenly told a group of people that anyone could have coached his loaded teams to a Super Bowl after winning 2 in a row in 1993. Turns out he was partially right. Barry Switzer was the bum who won it all 2 years later with many of the same core players.

Come on everyone knows Jerry got but hurt when Jimmy was celebrating with all coaches and Jimmy Johnson refused to raise his glass to Jerry's toast who was trying to take credit. It's one thing to win on a stacked team it's quite another to stack the team yourself. I can't imagine anyone in football thinks of Jerry as anything more than an over-meddling football amateur.

BB in Dallas would be all about BB and not JJ. BB wants Shula's record, and any winning would be about BB. Can you imagine JJ's ego when the headlines read BB this and BB that. Jones would not be able to handle it.

Other: Go away and sell the team so I can't meddle with it anymore. The only common denominator of all the playoff disappointments from 1994 to now, has been myself (Jerry). Obviously that is the problem.