Basically, we need to trade up and let him sit
If the Bears take a QB first overall, which the odds seem to be that they will, then there is no trade-up to be had, unfortunately. I wish that weren't true, but it flat out is.
Good thing Tiki is not a GM. He has no clue.
Is he cold?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 19, 2024, 07:13:44 PMIf the Bears take a QB first overall, which the odds seem to be that they will, then there is no trade-up to be had, unfortunately. I wish that weren't true, but it flat out is.
Bears might hire Kingsbury as oc for Williams.
Actually it was a good discussion.
Anything can go wrong. You can't draft scared. It's a risk business. Tiki forgets the Giants traded up to get Eli. I have no issue if Schoen feels strongly enough to do so to get his man. I really doubt very much that Jones will be football ready before October. Something has to be done.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 19, 2024, 07:13:44 PMIf the Bears take a QB first overall, which the odds seem to be that they will, then there is no trade-up to be had, unfortunately. I wish that weren't true, but it flat out is.
The Bears have a huge say on weather we get a QB or not. For sure Washington and Patriots are getting one, Chargers won't get a QB, and Arizona probably will stick with Murrey, hopefuly the Bears stick with fields and get a WR and O-line help, or a WR and a TE.
Quote from: katkavage on January 19, 2024, 08:34:05 PMAnything can go wrong. You can't draft scared. It's a risk business. Tiki forgets the Giants traded up to get Eli. I have no issue if Schoen feels strongly enough to do so to get his man. I really doubt very much that Jones will be football ready before October. Something has to be done.
Didn't the Chargers draft Eli first and then traded him to the Giants ?
Quote from: jimc on January 20, 2024, 06:07:26 AMDidn't the Chargers draft Eli first and then traded him to the Giants ?
Yes, that's right. There are pictures of Eli holding up a Chargers jersey at the draft. The trade occurred after that. It wasn't technically a trade-up (although in effect it was).
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 20, 2024, 06:54:33 AMYes, that's right. There are pictures of Eli holding up a Chargers jersey at the draft. The trade occurred after that. It wasn't technically a trade-up (although in effect it was).
Semantics, I guess
I feel dumber from having listened to the idiot on the left. At least Tike made some sense.
Quote from: brownelvis54 on January 19, 2024, 09:30:14 PMThe Bears have a huge say on weather we get a QB or not. For sure Washington and Patriots are getting one, Chargers won't get a QB, and Arizona probably will stick with Murrey, hopefuly the Bears stick with fields and get a WR and O-line help, or a WR and a TE.
Even if the bears decide to keep fields...and I don't think they will...they will trade that pick to somebody who will take Caleb. It could be the Pats or Commies in which case nothing changes for the Giants unless they decide to try and trade with the bears again at that point. Or the bears could trade Caleb to a team like the falcons in which case it eliminates pretty much any chance of the Giants getting a QB in round 1. But there is no world in which anybody other than Caleb Williams goes #1 unless he gets hurt between now and then.
Quote from: Gmo11 on January 20, 2024, 11:14:42 AMEven if the bears decide to keep fields...and I don't think they will...they will trade that pick to somebody who will take Caleb. It could be the Pats or Commies in which case nothing changes for the Giants unless they decide to try and trade with the bears again at that point. Or the bears could trade Caleb to a team like the falcons in which case it eliminates pretty much any chance of the Giants getting a QB in round 1. But there is no world in which anybody other than Caleb Williams goes #1 unless he gets hurt between now and then.
There are several reports on Belichick going to the Falcons and Kirk Cousens playing there as well. Vikings seem to want Pinex in the draft. As of now its speculation, but many articles on it.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/could-kirk-cousins-bill-belichick-partner-up-with-the-falcons
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10105835-vikings-kirk-cousins-open-to-playing-for-bill-belichick-amid-hcs-links-to-falcons
https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/could_kirk_cousins_be_the_falcons_answer_at_quarterback/s1_13132_39836187
https://www.sportstalkatl.com/falcons-kirk-cousins-would-relish-the-chance-to-play-with-bill-belichick/
Personally, I don't see the Giants taking a QB anywhere in this Draft. Schoen's focus, I believe, will be to go all out with Jones this year so as to decide unequivocally whether they should move on next year when the caponomics will be far less onerous. As for QB2, it could be DeVito, or some FA for which I would not exclude TT.
Clearly, I don't see the Giants looking to move up, but I can see them swapping back a couple or three slots if it gets them from the current 4 to 5 picks the first 2 days. Top priorities: WR/OL and/or OL/WR/DB/DT. Upgrading the talent on Offense has to be given priority whether to enhance DJ's chance of success this year or that of whomever succeeds him next year.
Cheers!
Quote from: Painter on January 20, 2024, 03:41:54 PMPersonally, I don't see the Giants taking a QB anywhere in this Draft. Schoen's focus, I believe, will be to go all out with Jones this year so as to decide unequivocally whether they should move on next year when the caponomics will be far less onerous. As for QB2, it could be DeVito, or some FA for which I would not exclude TT.
Clearly, I don't see the Giants looking to move up, but I can see them swapping back a couple or three slots if it gets them from the current 4 to 5 picks the first 2 days. Top priorities: WR/OL and/or OL/WR/DB/DT. Upgrading the talent on Offense has to be given priority whether to enhance DJ's chance of success this year or that of whomever succeeds him next year.
Cheers!
That might all be true, but it's as risky a move as taking a QB or trading up to get one. We all know Jones is working hard to rehab, but barring an Aaron Rodgers miracle, I don't see him getting on the field before October. Putting him out there or rushing him back, and he's no Aaron Rodgers, just makes him more susceptible to another injury. If the Giants have the opportunity to get a top QB this coming draft they must. Kicking the can another year only puts the chances of survival for the head coach much less likely. I do agree if they don't get a QB with that pick or trade for a higher pick, they should trade it for more picks this year and next.
I can't see a Qb trade up or one falling in their lap this year, so adding a potential #1 Wr or OT at 6 makes sense-critical needs.
Jones' health makes a vet capable backup a major priority too (Tyrod or TBD). With the first 4 picks however..you can address a number of areas other than qb .
With so many holes, it's not unthinkable to defer on Qb in the draft early. After last year, I have moved on from DJ and want a new direction.Both his health and instincts are not nearly good enough.
But where the Giants sit right now, maybe the best move is to improve their horrendous OL (again) or find a game-breaker Wr.That is doable.
The problem is that there are no game breaking Qbs in the pipeline. We've been waiting 2 years for this 1 class. Next years crop of Qbs are not it unless one magically appears like Burrow did but the likelihood that happens is slim.
My gut keeps telling me that unless a QB falls, they will not trade up and may instead try to trade back to get picks and take a next tier QB from that group in the hope of developing him into a star.
Trade back from say 6 to 15 and pick up some picks this year to get other players they like and still get a QB.
I doubt they wait til the 2nd round to get a QB.
Quote from: Philosophers on January 21, 2024, 10:37:20 AMMy gut keeps telling me that unless a QB falls, they will not trade up and may instead try to trade back to get picks and take a next tier QB from that group in the hope of developing him into a star.
Trade back from say 6 to 15 and pick up some picks this year to get other players they like and still get a QB.
I doubt they wait til the 2nd round to get a QB.
While I agree that they will not trade up for a QB, I wouldn't expect to see them trade back from 6 to do so. I can see them moving back a couple or three places to pick up another 3rd Rounder as long as they can still get the WR or OT likely to be their main target.
What I can imagine, however, is the possibility of them swapping one of their two 2nd Round picks (36 and 47) to move back into the late 1st Round for a QB. Still, the only reason I see them doing that is if they think- why not? - the Ravens got MVP candidate Lamar Jackson with their 32nd pick in 2018. <:-P Truly, I 'll be surprised if they use any of their 1st 3 picks for a QB
Cheers!
Quote from: Painter on January 21, 2024, 02:54:23 PMWhile I agree that they will not trade up for a QB, I wouldn't expect to see them trade back from 6 to do so. I can see them moving back a couple or three places to pick up another 3rd Rounder as long as they can still get the WR or OT likely to be their main target.
What I can imagine, however, is the possibility of them swapping one of their two 2nd Round picks (36 and 47) to move back into the late 1st Round for a QB. Still, the only reason I see them doing that is if they think- why not? - the Ravens got MVP candidate Lamar Jackson with their 32nd pick in 2018. <:-P
Truly, I 'll be surprised if they use any of their 1st 3 picks for a QB
Cheers!
Who is the opening day QB?
Why are the Bears picking a new QB? They are calling it quits on Fields already?