The Eagles are already building a really solid defensive coaching staff, while it appears the Giants are just spinning their wheels.
https://x.com/DavidFurones_/status/1752009518031003998?s=20
I don't see it as the Giants spinning their wheels.
The fact that they've been denied interviews lets me know either they're looking at the right people but their current bosses don't want to lose them, or their timing is off.
As long as they get the right people on staff, I'm not concerned about how fast or slow they do it. Just do it.
Quote from: T200 on January 30, 2024, 08:48:54 AMI don't see it as the Giants spinning their wheels.
The fact that they've been denied interviews lets me know either they're looking at the right people but their current bosses don't want to lose them, or their timing is off.
As long as they get the right people on staff, I'm not concerned about how fast or slow they do it. Just do it.
The Giants parted ways with 2 out of 3 coordinators (could very well be 3 out of 3) as well as three position coaches. Is there a reason to believe they will be getting the right people for the positions?
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 30, 2024, 09:00:18 AMThe Giants parted ways with 2 out of 3 coordinators (could very well be 3 out of 3) as well as three position coaches. Is there a reason to believe they will be getting the right people for the positions?
The same reasons we are here every year: hope and optimism.
Aside from those two things, I have nothing to offer that says that they will or they won't.
I know a lot of folks poo-poo the idea of Daboll bringing guys he knows from Buffalo. He started with guys he *didn't* have direct ties to and it didn't work as well as we, and I'm sure Daboll himself, had hoped. Given his style, it may be better to bring in folks who are familiar with him and who are better equipped to deal with him.
Quote from: T200 on January 30, 2024, 09:09:24 AMThe same reasons we are here every year: hope and optimism.
Aside from those two things, I have nothing to offer that says that they will or they won't.
I know a lot of folks poo-poo the idea of Daboll bringing guys he knows from Buffalo. He started with guys he *didn't* have direct ties to and it didn't work as well as we, and I'm sure Daboll himself, had hoped. Given his style, it may be better to bring in folks who are familiar with him and who are better equipped to deal with him.
I believe the process of hiring outside coaches is a sound one. One thing to remember is that coaches who worked with Brian may be less inclined to work with him, hence the somewhat rare open interview process.
I think a better approach would be for Brian and the Giants to acknowledge there is an issue and for Briant to publicly commit to solving the issue (much like Coughlin did). The man needs to spend some time with Lani Lawrence, PsyD, to help him get his issues under control.
I think it's worth remembering that an important aspect of being a head coach is to be able not just to assemble a quality coaching staff but also to manage that staff and develop the younger talent (to backfill the inevitable losses).
I want to be optimistic that the Giants are assembling a quality staff and that we will see an upgrade at DC, but that faith is being severely tested. Much like players, it's not like you can go to a store and buy "elite DC"
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 30, 2024, 09:18:26 AMI believe the process of hiring outside coaches is a sound one. One thing to remember is that coaches who worked with Brian may be less inclined to work with him, hence the somewhat rare open interview process.
I think a better approach would be for Brian and the Giants to acknowledge there is an issue and for Briant to publicly commit to solving the issue (much like Coughlin did). The man needs to spend some time with Lani Lawrence, PsyD, to help him get his issues under control.
I think it's worth remembering that an important aspect of being a head coach is to be able not just to assemble a quality coaching staff but also to manage that staff and develop the younger talent (to backfill the inevitable losses).
I want to be optimistic that the Giants are assembling a quality staff and that we will see an upgrade at DC, but that faith is being severely tested. Much like players, it's not like you can go to a story and buy "elite DC"
I'm not against hiring people whom he hasn't worked with in the past. He isn't against it either, obviously. While it may be a sound approach, there isn't a one-size-fits-all solution. Each situation is unique. Daboll needs to find whom he works with the best, personality-wise and team-wise.
I don't see the value in publicly committing to fixing any issues that are inherent to him. I do agree that he does need help and should use the resources he has available to him.
He's a first-time head coach and will make mistakes, which he has. He needs time to learn and grow from them. He is not the entire coaching staff. If they don't have the right chemistry, there's a good chance things will not work well, as we saw this season.
Quote from: T200 on January 30, 2024, 09:35:37 AMI'm not against hiring people whom he hasn't worked with in the past. He isn't against it either, obviously. While it may be a sound approach, there isn't a one-size-fits-all solution. Each situation is unique. Daboll needs to find whom he works with the best, personality-wise and team-wise.
I don't see the value in publicly committing to fixing any issues that are inherent to him. I do agree that he does need help and should use the resources he has available to him.
He's a first-time head coach and will make mistakes, which he has. He needs time to learn and grow from them. He is not the entire coaching staff. If they don't have the right chemistry, there's a good chance things will not work well, as we saw this season.
Tim,
One of the things I like about Daboll is his belief in adapting a system to the players. In other words, play to their strengths while minimizing their weaknesses. I believe a very similar approach can be used with your coaching staff. If you don't and you instead insist on fitting the coaches into the system, you limit your candidate pool, potentially to the point where you will be forced to make lesser hires.
A good manager should be able to recognize the needs and abilities of the people under them and adapt their style to get the most out of them. I appreciate the need to bring in the best people possible, but the best people are not all alike, and how you deal with them must vary.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 30, 2024, 09:41:18 AMTim,
One of the things I like about Daboll is his belief in adapting a system to the players. In other words, play to their strengths while minimizing their weaknesses. I believe a very similar approach can be used with your coaching staff. If you don't and you instead insist on fitting the coaches into the system, you limit your candidate pool, potentially to the point where you will be forced to make lesser hires.
A good manager should be able to recognize the needs and abilities of the people under them and adapt their style to get the most out of them. I appreciate the need to bring in the best people possible, but the best people are not all alike, and how you deal with them must vary.
Rich,
I agree 100%. Team members (coaches and players) have to mesh and opposing styles should complement each other.
https://x.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1752348235673346420?s=20
What are the odds the Giants are able to land the hot candidate?
https://x.com/bobby_depaul/status/1752335271834575299?s=20
That's a lot of solid competition in terms of quality head coaches that we're up against to land who may be the strongest DC candidate on the open market.
I have to believe our odds of landing him are very LONG at this point.
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Quote from: MightyGiants on January 30, 2024, 09:00:18 AMThe Giants parted ways with 2 out of 3 coordinators (could very well be 3 out of 3) as well as three position coaches. Is there a reason to believe they will be getting the right people for the positions?
yeah, so? Do you not recall how bad this team was this year?
To me, the Giants appear to be unstable at this point. Everyone is hiring coordinators left and right. What is our plan?...are we conducting numerous interviews?
I'm beginning to believe the click bait stories that maybe the reason is Dabol. Unless we choose someone who is in SuperBowl, this is concerning m. At least to me it is.
You can write off Dennard Wilson to the list. He has become the new DC of the Titans. :no:
Quote from: spiderblue43 on February 01, 2024, 01:00:58 AMYou can write off Dennard Wilson to the list. He has become the new DC of the Titans. :no:
What a terrible job by Schoen. Read Bobby DePaul's post about Dennard Wilson above and tell me that Schoen was not asleep at the wheel. He interviewed him twice , what the hell was he waiting for ?
I've been feeling the same way for awhile
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on February 01, 2024, 06:54:19 AMWhat a terrible job by Schoen. Read Bobby DePaul's post about Dennard Wilson above and tell me that Schoen was not asleep at the wheel. He interviewed him twice , what the hell was he waiting for ?
Either you trust the GM or you don't. None of us are privy to how the interview went. There's more than just a nice resume that plays a part in hiring someone. Rich and I had a discussion earlier in this thread about styles and chemistry not just for players, but coaches as well.
Remember: Martindale was/is highly regarded around the league and the majority of us applauded the hire when it happened.
Quote from: T200 on February 01, 2024, 08:07:51 AMEither you trust the GM or you don't. None of us are privy to how the interview went. There's more than just a nice resume that plays a part in hiring someone. Rich and I had a discussion earlier in this thread about styles and chemistry not just for players, but coaches as well.
Remember: Martindale was/is highly regarded around the league and the majority of us applauded the hire when it happened.
The really good DCs are what they are. If you miss out of them because you can't work with them, that is a deteriment to the team.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 01, 2024, 09:10:54 AMThe really good DCs are what they are. If you miss out of them because you can't work with them, that is a deteriment to the team.
That's one perspective, not the only one.
Quote from: T200 on February 01, 2024, 09:13:39 AMThat's one perspective, not the only one.
That is the perspective of one who spent his entire adult life in management in a variety of settings. Good managers recognize value and find a way to work with people, they don't toss out value to find someone that is easier to work with. In my professional experience, some of the smartest and most valuable people can be difficult. You strive to surround ones self with the best people, not the people who are easiest to work with.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 01, 2024, 09:18:37 AMThat is the perspective of one who spent his entire adult life in management in a variety of settings. Good managers recognize value and find a way to work with people, they don't toss out value to find someone that is easier to work with. In my professional experience, some of the smartest and most valuable people can be difficult. You strive to surround ones self with the best people, not the people who are easiest to work with.
Rich,
I definitely respect your experience and view. As I said, it's not the only one. You have vast experience in healthcare. I have over 26 years in the military and many more working within the Department of Defense. I've worked with people from all over the country and all over the world. I happen to like my perspective on things as well. That's not to suggest I'm all-knowing or know more than you do, but I do have a great deal of experience in working with a wide variety of personalities.
As I'm sure you know all too well, the sum of the whole is greater than its parts. I'll be more than happy if Schoen/Daboll bring in a DC who may not have the accolades of some of the well-known guys but can get his guys to perform collectively better than they have in the past 5-10 years.
I've worked with folks in the military who were extremely book smart and tested well to get promoted. But when it was time to actually perform the job, they were lost. I want someone who can get the job done. A welcoming personality is a bonus, not a requirement, for me.
Daboll's prickliness will only be tolerated if he can build a consistent winner.