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Title: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: shadowspinner0 on February 01, 2024, 11:38:35 AM
DC info:


Are the other four who have interviewed.

Ejiro Evero - Panthers' DC who they blocked from other DC interviews (did have one HC interview), including the Giants, prior to HC being named but there are questions if they will allow them now.
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: Bob In PA on February 01, 2024, 11:48:52 AM
Thanks for doing this.  It really helps those of us who have limited time on here to keep track. Bob
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: killarich on February 02, 2024, 07:25:45 AM
Damn at this point I wouldn't mind Rivera .... Did he go anywhere ?

We really lost out on the big names and up and coming
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: Ed Vette on February 02, 2024, 07:56:32 AM
I want a proven experienced DC or former HC and someone who can develop his replacement.
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: Ed Vette on February 02, 2024, 08:32:48 AM
Daboll to make a decision by the end of the week.
https://nypost.com/2024/02/01/sports/jerome-henderson-among-giants-top-options-for-defensive-coordinator/amp/
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: Bob In PA on February 02, 2024, 09:11:34 AM
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 02, 2024, 08:32:48 AMDaboll to make a decision by the end of the week.
https://nypost.com/2024/02/01/sports/jerome-henderson-among-giants-top-options-for-defensive-coordinator/amp/

Ed: The foot-dragging seems to strongly favor Henderson (the "no hurry" candidate).

I assume we haven't offered the job to anyone who turned us down.

I think that's a fair assumption because this stuff almost always leaks to the media.

Bob
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: MightyGiants on February 02, 2024, 09:21:11 AM
Quote from: Bob In PA on February 02, 2024, 09:11:34 AMEd: The foot-dragging seems to strongly favor Henderson (the "no hurry" approach).

I assume we haven't offered the job to anyone who turned us down.

I think that's a fair assumption because this stuff almost always leaks to the media.

Bob

Bob,

Coaches (like players) don't like to burn bridges.  So it usually is years before we learn about a coach turning down another team's offer.
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: Ed Vette on February 02, 2024, 09:27:20 AM
Quote from: Bob In PA on February 02, 2024, 09:11:34 AMEd: The foot-dragging seems to strongly favor Henderson (the "no hurry" candidate).

I assume we haven't offered the job to anyone who turned us down.

I think that's a fair assumption because this stuff almost always leaks to the media.

Bob
I think so too. It's a strong possibility it's Henderson. But why wait to decide? Contract negotiations? That's not on Daboll.
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: MightyGiants on February 02, 2024, 09:51:08 AM
@Bob In PA does this qualify?


https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1753429805159326104?s=20
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: MightyGiants on February 02, 2024, 11:29:06 AM
We know Paul Schwartz acts is the Giants' mouthpiece, so it's interesting that he is touting Henderson

https://nypost.com/2024/02/01/sports/jerome-henderson-among-giants-top-options-for-defensive-coordinator/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: FL GMAN on February 02, 2024, 12:35:12 PM
I heard on talk radio that the Cowboys are considering Mike Zimmer for DC. IMHO he was a good coach who almost always got to the playoffs and had decent defenses.
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: Bob In PA on February 02, 2024, 12:38:25 PM
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 02, 2024, 09:51:08 AMdoes this qualify?

Rich: If the job was offered to him and he turned us down, then it does.  I must have missed it in the media. Bob
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: Jclayton92 on February 02, 2024, 01:08:04 PM
I want Co DCs with Jerome Henderson covering the back and Patterson covering the front.
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: killarich on February 02, 2024, 01:56:51 PM
Are we done looking at other candidates then  if they have to make a choice by the end of the week ?

I think that's a mistake if that's the case .... Still other candidates out there that are better then the ones who are left from the interviews

I don't think Rivera is a great coach or a bad one ..... wanted a young and up and comer ....but the remaining crap is bleh .....  at least give him a call
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: MightyGiants on February 02, 2024, 08:03:04 PM
https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/1753552722630971624?s=20
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: Trench on February 03, 2024, 12:19:23 AM
Crystal clear that Schoen got outmaneuvered....now it's on him
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: MightyGiants on February 03, 2024, 08:24:46 AM
Quote from: Trench on February 03, 2024, 12:19:23 AMCrystal clear that Schoen got outmaneuvered....now it's on him

In fairness, the Giants were in a very weak position:

1)  Coordinators prefer to come in with the new HC so they know they have at least 2 or 3 seasons

2)  The disaster that was the Wink departure (regardless of how fans feel or spin it) has made jobs working under Daboll less attractive

3) Even before all of that, the cost of living (and taxes) and the salaries NYG pays made the assistant coaching jobs at NYG, not the most attractive
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: DaveBrown74 on February 03, 2024, 08:32:43 AM
What exactly does an assistant head coach do? Both during games and during the week?
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: MightyGiants on February 03, 2024, 08:34:21 AM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on February 03, 2024, 08:32:43 AMWhat exactly does an assistant head coach do? Both during games and during the week?

From what I can see from the outside looking in, it's more of an honorary title than anything.  I guess the title can bring a few more responsibilities, but that varies on a case-by-case basis.
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: DaveBrown74 on February 03, 2024, 08:57:18 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 03, 2024, 08:34:21 AMFrom what I can see from the outside looking in, it's more of an honorary title than anything.  I guess the title can bring a few more responsibilities, but that varies on a case-by-case basis.

Agreed.

He's not the boss, he isn't making fourth down or timeout or challenge decisions, and he isn't calling plays or in charge of any unit. He can be an advisor to the head coach and can have a good relationship with the players, and he can help in strategy meetings with gameplanning and just providing general insights, but it doesn't seem like that big of a job to me. It certainly seems like a lesser role than his previous one of defensive coordinator.

One consideration is that in the event that he got hired away to a HC role in a future year, the Seahawks might get picks for that given he is a minority. I'm not sure if that rule applies to "assistant head coaches", but it very well might. So if it does, there is an outside chance of that being a possibility too I guess.
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: Woody on February 03, 2024, 09:20:38 AM
Wink is still out there  :what:  /sarcasm/
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: DaveBrown74 on February 03, 2024, 09:22:22 AM
Quote from: Woody on February 03, 2024, 09:20:38 AMWink is still out there  :what:  /sarcasm/

It is kind of interesting that Wink still hasn't been hired. There are still openings though, like Dallas.
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: MightyGiants on February 03, 2024, 09:25:33 AM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on February 03, 2024, 09:22:22 AMIt is kind of interesting that Wink still hasn't been hired. There are still openings though, like Dallas.

While the drama has no doubt hurt the Giants during the hiring process, it also sullied Wink's reputation as well.   
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: DaveBrown74 on February 03, 2024, 09:37:29 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 03, 2024, 09:25:33 AMWhile the drama has no doubt hurt the Giants during the hiring process, it also sullied Wink's reputation as well.   

Agreed.

While I have no ill will towards Wink and hope he gets a job he's happy with, the harder a time he has getting hired, the better (or less bad) a look this whole episode will be for Daboll.
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: MightyGiants on February 03, 2024, 09:41:46 AM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on February 03, 2024, 09:37:29 AMAgreed.

While I have no ill will towards Wink and hope he gets a job he's happy with, the harder a time he has getting hired, the better (or less bad) a look this whole episode will be for Daboll.

I am not sure Wink struggling to get another job will help Daboll's image any.  Daboll's issues that were exposed will not be made better by Wink's fate.   Winning and demonstrated improvement by Daboll will.
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: Brooklyn Dave on February 04, 2024, 10:28:54 AM
If the Giants do not make a hire for a DC this week , it tells me that now their first choice is Brendan Daly
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: MightyGiants on February 04, 2024, 01:47:52 PM
Pat Traina (I think it was Pat) I heard it on her podcast) had another reason the Giants DC position is less attractive.  The Giants have most of the defensive staff in place, it's not like the new DC will be able to hire his own staff.
Title: Re: Remaining candidates for Giants DC position
Post by: londonblue on February 04, 2024, 02:32:54 PM
Patti's point is valid. We have fairly reliable info from the more reliable beat writers that the Giants value and want to keep their key D coaches. This means any new DC potentially only gets two meaningful hires, the vacant OLB coach and a personal assistant if they want one. Any DC coming in probably has several guys they ideally want to bring. Would we sacrifice eg Henderson or Patterson to accommodate them?