In terms of quality insider, Matt Miller isn't particularly good, but it's still worth considering
rumors swirling at the Senior Bowl among agents is that the Giants are more likely to add a veteran free agent QB to compete with Daniel Jones than draft one early.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2024/insider/story/_/id/39437517/2024-nfl-mock-draft-predictions-two-rounds-64-picks-matt-miller-senior-bowl
Another smoke screen.
Sounds like giving Jones more help again gaining ground. I hope not. I wonder if DJ can get off the ground, much less save his Giants' career.
I think if true Mighty..this makes no sense. When will Mara stay out of the way? Jones is not the answer other than maintaining also-ran status, at best.:
Quote from: T200 on February 05, 2024, 11:30:09 AMAnother smoke screen.
I thought about this, but free agency comes before the draft. So the Giants likely will have signed that veteran prior to the draft (negating the value of a smoke screen). I guess they could wait until after the draft to sign one, but at that point it will be a hard sell to say the Giants are not targeting a QB in the draft.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 05, 2024, 11:36:46 AMI thought about this, but free agency comes before the draft. So the Giants likely will have signed that veteran prior to the draft (negating the value of a smoke screen). I guess they could wait until after the draft to sign one, but at that point it will be a hard sell to say the Giants are not targeting a QB in the draft.
The only way I see them signing another veteran (Tyrod or someone else) is if they dump DeVito.
I like Tyrod but he, like Jones, can't stay healthy. No need to have two injury-prone veterans on the roster. Jones's contract means he's on the team.
If true, the term "long suffering Giant fan" will come into vogue again. Though many veteran back ups are actually better than Jones, so there is that.
As they say, Denial is not a river in Egypt, but it doesn't seem to lessen the notion that this will be the year in which the Giants resolve the issue and settle the future at QB in the Draft, or less likely in FA. Personally, I can hope while staying far away from predicting.
Cheers!
Not the first time I've read this rumor.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 05, 2024, 11:20:56 AMIn terms of quality insider, Matt Miller isn't particularly good, but it's still worth considering
rumors swirling at the Senior Bowl among agents is that the Giants are more likely to add a veteran free agent QB to compete with Daniel Jones than draft one early.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2024/insider/story/_/id/39437517/2024-nfl-mock-draft-predictions-two-rounds-64-picks-matt-miller-senior-bowl
Rich....is Gardner Minshew an option?
Quote from: brownelvis54 on February 05, 2024, 12:05:35 PMRich....is Gardner Minshew an option?
The Colts have a ton of cap space, and Richardson had a season-ending injury in the middle of his rookie season. It seems unlikely the team will not retain him.
If true, this says a few things. 1) the Giants aren't interested in any of the QBs after the top two or three - or maybe one. 2) they believe all will be off the board by 6. 3) trading up is not worth the cost. 4) drafting a QB lower is, in all probability, wasting a pick that could be better spent elsewhere.
I tend to agree.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 05, 2024, 12:08:23 PMThe Colts have a ton of cap space, and Richardson had a season-ending injury in the middle of his rookie season. It seems unlikely the team will not retain him.
I wouldn't be surprised if he played himself into a starting role somewhere.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on February 05, 2024, 12:29:53 PMI wouldn't be surprised if he played himself into a starting role somewhere.
It's possible but Minshew has been like this pretty much his whole NFL career. He will have games that are really impressive, and you wonder why he isn't a starter, then he will have games that strongly remind you why he isn't an NFL starter.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 05, 2024, 12:08:23 PMThe Colts have a ton of cap space, and Richardson had a season-ending injury in the middle of his rookie season. It seems unlikely the team will not retain him.
I think you're right, although it may become a question of whether Minshew, The Jockstrap King, is ready to accept his status as an essentially itinerant QB2 for which there is a solid active market. Or maybe not given his 7-6 best ever record with the Colts last season.
Cheers!
Hard to believe any of this stuff during this time of year.
Could easily see Giants FO people telling Miller what they want put out there if they are looking at QBs in the draft.
Quote from: T200 on February 05, 2024, 11:41:59 AMThe only way I see them signing another veteran (Tyrod or someone else) is if they dump DeVito.
I like Tyrod but he, like Jones, can't stay healthy. No need to have two injury-prone veterans on the roster. Jones's contract means he's on the team.
I don't think DeVito is a factor in their decision at all. He's simply not good enough to be a part of any equation.
If they find a vet who can help, they'll bring him in. If they can draft someone to develop, they'll do so. And if neither of those options present themselves and they're stuck with DeVito, I think they will do that knowing it's a rebuilding year.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 05, 2024, 12:32:09 PMIt's possible but Minshew has been like this pretty much his whole NFL career. He will have games that are really impressive, and you wonder why he isn't a starter, then he will have games that strongly remind you why he isn't an NFL starter.
Not saying I disagree with the conclusion that he ultimately is a fringe-starter, but there may be someone out there willing to bridge a gap with him at the helm after the season he had.
Quote from: T200 on February 05, 2024, 11:30:09 AMAnother smoke screen.
Tim: Maybe but I'll stick to my belief that if the "right guy" is already gone (assuming there even IS a right guy), then the Giants will not draft a QB and choose whichever "right guy" is still there at one of the following positions: WR, O-line, DE (or Edge, depending on whether the new DC is a 3- or 4-man down-linemen guy). Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on February 05, 2024, 04:34:18 PMTim: Maybe but I'll stick to my belief that if the "right guy" is already gone (assuming there even IS a right guy), then the Giants will not draft a QB in the first round and instead choose whichever "right guy" at one of the following positions is still there: WR, O-line, DE (or Edge, depending on whether the new DC is a 3- or 4-man down-linemen guy). Bob
Taking a WR at 6, unless it's Harrison would be pure negligence.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on February 05, 2024, 04:25:42 PMNot saying I disagree with the conclusion that he ultimately is a fringe-starter, but there may be someone out there willing to bridge a gap with him at the helm after the season he had.
He has the hot streaks since he came into the league. Yet, he never had a team sign him as a potential starter. I suspect there could be more to the story than we the fans know.
Quote from: katkavage on February 05, 2024, 05:16:47 PMTaking a WR at 6, unless it's Harrison would be pure negligence.
kat: I want to agree with you but there's one important question I'm having trouble answering.
It's LSU specific, so I decided not to start a separate thread... I can't determine whether Jayden Daniels made Malik Nabers look like he belongs in the 1st round or whether it was the other way around.
Another possibility would be that both belong in the 1st round, but that IMO would be extremely rare. My point is that Nabers would be the only other WR who might be an elite number-one WR and if so, I would then say if the Giants can get either Nabers OR Harrison, Jr., I think they'll do it.
Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on February 05, 2024, 05:41:18 PMkat: I want to agree with you but there's one important question I'm having trouble answering.
It's LSU specific, so I decided not to start a separate thread... I can't determine whether Jayden Daniels made Malik Nabers look like he belongs in the 1st round or whether it was the other way around.
Another possibility would be that both belong in the 1st round, but that IMO would be extremely rare. My point is that Nabers would be the only other WR who might be an elite number-one WR and if so, I would then say if the Giants can get either Nabers OR Harrison, Jr., I think they'll do it.
Bob
Why draft another WR when we simply don't have anyone to throw him the ball?
We drafted what was expected to open up the field, last year, in Hyatt, how did that go?. Let's get the QB situation and OL taken care before we go for more shiny hood ornaments.
Quote from: LennG on February 05, 2024, 05:53:16 PMWhy draft another WR when we simply don't have anyone to throw him the ball?
We drafted what was expected to open up the field, last year, in Hyatt, how did that go?. Let's get the QB situation and OL taken care before we go for more shiny hood ornaments.
Wide receivers can be found all over the draft. Check out some around the league and when they were drafted.
Quote from: LennG on February 05, 2024, 05:53:16 PMWhy draft another WR when we simply don't have anyone to throw him the ball?
We drafted what was expected to open up the field, last year, in Hyatt, how did that go?. Let's get the QB situation and OL taken care before we go for more shiny hood ornaments.
Lenn: You simply cannot prove that Giants don't have someone to throw the ball to an elite bell-cow NFL-caliber starting #1 wideout... because the Giants haven't HAD one in a long, long time, which roughly coincides with the number of years they've compiled the current string of lousy offenses. Bob
DeVito should not enter into anyone's thinking for this coming season.
He will be jettisoned as quickly as possible.
Quote from: LennG on February 05, 2024, 05:53:16 PMWhy draft another WR when we simply don't have anyone to throw him the ball?
We drafted what was expected to open up the field, last year, in Hyatt, how did that go?. Let's get the QB situation and OL taken care before we go for more shiny hood ornaments.
Should the Giants not have drafted Toomer and Hilliard because the QB was Dave Brown?
Quote from: TDToomer on February 06, 2024, 08:45:28 AMShould the Giants not have drafted Toomer and Hilliard because the QB was Dave Brown?
There's obviously no fool-proof method for rebuilding a team. Plenty of ways to skin a cat. Teams do what they feel is best and as long as it works, it was the right way... for them. Questioning past decisions have no bearing on today's team. It worked then and that's all that can be said. Doesn't mean it will work now... doesn't mean that it won't.
Schoen and Daboll have a tough job on their hands. All we can do is continue to sit and speculate. That's what we're good at.
Quote from: Bob In PA on February 05, 2024, 10:02:33 PMLenn: You simply cannot prove that Giants don't have someone to throw the ball to an elite bell-cow NFL-caliber starting #1 wideout... because the Giants haven't HAD one in a long, long time, which roughly coincides with the number of years they've compiled the current string of lousy offenses. Bob
Was OBJ just another WR?
Quote from: LennG on February 06, 2024, 07:42:36 PMWas OBJ just another WR?
Absolutely not. He was on track to be our best WR ever and a rare 3 time pro bowler at a position we once went 41 years without a single one.
Quote from: LennG on February 06, 2024, 07:42:36 PMWas OBJ just another WR?
Lenn: Technically, you're correct regarding my assertion that it has been a long, long time since the Giants had a decent number-one WR, but Jones and OBJ never played together, so that doesn't change the fact that none of the QB's currently on the Giants has ever had an elite WR to throw to.
The point is that in the modern (pass-heavy) NFL, having a WR (or TE) who commands a double-team or special game plan is (1) vital and (2) IMO necessary to enable a fair evaluation of a QB.
I think every Super Bowl winner since the game evolved to be pass-oriented has had such a player, and a few had TWO such players. In the "old days" (previous era) having a great RB was just as necessary to have a great RB.
Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on February 07, 2024, 11:37:33 AMLenn: Technically, you're correct regarding my assertion that it has been a long, long time since the Giants had a decent number-one WR, but Jones and OBJ never played together, so that doesn't change the fact that none of the QB's currently on the Giants has ever had an elite WR to throw to.
The point is that in the modern (pass-heavy) NFL, having a WR (or TE) who commands a double-team or special game plan is (1) vital and (2) IMO necessary to enable a fair evaluation of a QB.
I think every Super Bowl winner since the game evolved to be pass-oriented has had such a player, and a few had TWO such players. In the "old days" (previous era) having a great RB was just as necessary to have a great RB.
Bob
Bob
Once again, I agree that it is a pass-first league, but look at the two teams in the SB and both have a very strong running game. Without that, they aren't here, as with the other 30 teams that will be watching on TV.
Quote from: Bob In PA on February 07, 2024, 11:37:33 AMLenn: Technically, you're correct regarding my assertion that it has been a long, long time since the Giants had a decent number-one WR, but Jones and OBJ never played together, so that doesn't change the fact that none of the QB's currently on the Giants has ever had an elite WR to throw to.
The point is that in the modern (pass-heavy) NFL, having a WR (or TE) who commands a double-team or special game plan is (1) vital and (2) IMO necessary to enable a fair evaluation of a QB.
I think every Super Bowl winner since the game evolved to be pass-oriented has had such a player, and a few had TWO such players. In the "old days" (previous era) having a great RB was just as necessary to have a great RB.
Bob
How many QBs have a true elite wideout, Bob? Half a dozen.
At QB you have to make it happen with the tools at your disposal.