Not an unexpected move:
https://x.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1755242815322243140?s=20
He's ask is likely too rich for the Giants but I suspect he won't sign a deal larger than the one JS offered last year.
Good. At this point, Barkley's value seems based more on reputation and being a former number 2 overall pick than on ability.
Plenty of veteran RBs are available who will prove cheaper and more productive.
I'd be willing to go as high as the James Conner contract - 3 years, $21 million. Nothing higher.
Don't see a lot of times beating down his door to drop big money on an oft-injured RB.
And if he does sign elsewhere, sign a mid-tier vet vs. using another mid-round draft pick on the position. I want OG and DT in the middle rounds.
It's possible the Giants agree with some of you that he can't get a better deal elsewhere.
In that case, IMO they'll still try to match his best offer.
Wherever he goes, the odds are it will be to a team with an O-line that knows how to block consistently.
Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on February 07, 2024, 11:17:44 AMIt's possible the Giants agree with some of you that he can't get a better deal elsewhere.
In that case, IMO they'll still try to match his best offer.
Wherever he goes, the odds are it will be to a team with an O-line that knows how to block consistently.
Bob
You could be proven correct. Still, I think these days RBs are what WRs used to be, the shiny hood ornaments of the team. It's the last position a building team (which the Giants certainly are) should be worried about. To that end, I think there are talented teams who are currently contenders who will get more value from Barkley than NYG.
It will be a very sad day if Barkley leaves for another team. There are many intangibles that he brings to the team that cannot be valued strictly in monetary terms.
If Daniel Jones struggles next year without Barkley , supporters will say he has no running game nor a back who can catch the ball and make things happen , and you know what, they will be correct .
Fix the OL line and keep Barkley !!!
Jordan is denying this report
https://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1755252621320007897?s=20
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on February 07, 2024, 11:28:04 AMIt will be a very sad day if Barkley leaves for another team. There are many intangibles that he brings to the team that cannot be valued strictly in monetary terms.
While that's true, thinking like that probably contributes to the position the team is in right now. I want the decision maker here to be ruthless in viewing value in monetary terms. Paying more than value is not a recipe for a good team. The mistake with Barkley, aside from Gettleman's moronic decision, was not unloading Barkley when he would have brought something back. Thank you John Mara, the other moron we still have around.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 07, 2024, 11:20:11 AMYou could be proven correct. Still, I think these days RBs are what WRs used to be, the shiny hood ornaments of the team. It's the last position a building team (which the Giants certainly are) should be worried about. To that end, I think there are talented teams who are currently contenders who will get more value from Barkley than NYG.
Rich: Absolutely right.
In another thread, I just wrote (in the Matt Miller topic) the reverse about how the game has changed.
Used to be a great RB was a "must" to winning a Super Bowl; now IMO the "must" is an elite WR.
Bob
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 07, 2024, 11:20:11 AMYou could be proven correct. Still, I think these days RBs are what WRs used to be, the shiny hood ornaments of the team. It's the last position a building team (which the Giants certainly are) should be worried about. To that end, I think there are talented teams who are currently contenders who will get more value from Barkley than NYG.
Tell that to Christian McCaffrey, Isiah Pachecho , Jahmyr Gibbs, David Montgomery, Jonathan Taylor, Aaron Jones,Bijan Robinson
Quote from: nb587 on February 07, 2024, 11:32:08 AMWhile that's true, thinking like that probably contributes to the position the team is in right now. I want the decision maker here to be ruthless in viewing value in monetary terms. Paying more than value is not a recipe for a good team. The mistake with Barkley, aside from Gettleman's moronic decision, was not unloading Barkley when he would have brought something back. Thank you John Mara, the other moron we still have around.
How do you replace the best offensive player that we have . Gettleman's moronic decision was not standing pat and passing up on Michah Parsons !! We can agree to disagree. Mine is only an opinion which is worth or worthless as anyone elses opinion.
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on February 07, 2024, 11:41:47 AMTell that to Christian McCaffrey, Isiah Pachecho , Jahmyr Gibbs, David Montgomery, Jonathan Taylor, Aaron Jones,Bijan Robinson
CM languished with the rebuilding Panthers and suddenly flourished with the uber-talented 49ers
I think they made an agreement with Barkley last year that if he signed a 1 year deal to get him into camp they wouldn't tag him this year. Pure speculation based on no facts or evidence but that's what I think because otherwise I don't know why he would have agreed to sign anything last year when he could have held out and held the team hostage with no viable RB on the roster.
I think it was a wink wink thing where you give us one more year with Jones to try and build on the previous season. If you and the team do well we give you a long term deal. If not we won't prevent you from free agency.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 07, 2024, 11:48:45 AMCM languished with the rebuilding Panthers and suddenly flourished with the uber-talented 49ers
Rich: I was waiting for that point to be made (about McCaffrey, a super player I wished for when he came out).
Compare the offensive line performance and note which team has the better WR's/TE's.
By the way, if they had taken McCaffrey there would have been a different pick the next year at Number Two.
Bob
Some points (just my opinion):
1) just because someone says he won't be tagged doesn't mean he won't be. No one knows what Schoen is going to do. Pre-negotiations (like pre-draft), are full of red herrings because it's "lyin season"
2) I've been saying if for years, and I'll say it again..."you can get away with 'RB by Committee' when you have a great offensive line". Great RBs (in today's modern game) require great play calling coupled with an exceptional o-line...something Barkley's not had as a Giant
3) I suspect Barkley would prefer to remain a Giant, but he can't say that prior to any negotiations. He has to say he's ready to wear another uniform. It's just smart business. He certainly isn't going to say that he will not play for any other team because he will only play for the Giants. That'd be dumb
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 07, 2024, 11:48:45 AMCM languished with the rebuilding Panthers and suddenly flourished with the uber-talented 49ers
I hardly think he 'languished' there. When he wasn't hurt, he was a highlight reel every game he played. Like Barkley, he played on terrible teams.
Send Barkley to a winning team and he will be just as good as McCaffery is with the Niners.
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on February 07, 2024, 11:28:04 AMIt will be a very sad day if Barkley leaves for another team. There are many intangibles that he brings to the team that cannot be valued strictly in monetary terms.
If Daniel Jones struggles next year without Barkley , supporters will say he has no running game nor a back who can catch the ball and make things happen , and you know what, they will be correct .
Fix the OL line and keep Barkley !!!
I( agree with you 100% Dave. Numbers aren't the entire story of what a true team leader brings to the field, the locker room and to many of the younger players.
Right now, Barkeley is the face of the Giants, get rid of him and we have no one who scares anyone.
As I said before, same as McCaffery with the Panthers, get Barkley to a team with a true offense, and he will be just, if not more, effective as several of the RBs already named. Yes, it is a pass-first league now, but anyone who thinks a good running game is passe is wrong.
Should have been traded last season prior to trade deadline, and then again this year.
Letting picks walk away is a missed opportunity, especially for a team rebuilding.
While through the 80s, it was quite common for Running Backs to be taken first, or second, if I'm not mistaken, when the Giants took Saquon with the 2nd overall pick in 2018, it was the highest in almost 30 years since the Bengals took Ki Jana Carter at numero uno and very soon to their regret.
While we don't know how a team or, the League in general, values RBs today, it is not nearly as much as it once was- relatively speaking. Citing examples of Christian McCaffery having been taken 8th overall or Jahmyr Gibbs 12th, tells little except in recent hindsight than does Jonathan Taylor- 2nd Round, David Montgomery- 3rd Round, Aaron Jones- 5th, Isiah Pacheco- 7th Round, etc.
While a team's decision may be rooted in foresight, the results are always measured in hindsight, sometimes fruitfully, often much less so depending on expectation. I think we may get a taste of that in this week's Super Bowl via a comparison of the Niners- traded for- 1st Round, highest-paid McCaffrey vs the Chiefs very much less expensive 7th-Round Pacheco. Either way, it's not likely to have much influence on Barkley's future, other than in terms of money as compared to championship winning potential than was so with Jacobs and Bradshaw.
No! I don't think Barkley will be tagged for a second time.
Cheers!
Quote from: nb587 on February 07, 2024, 11:32:08 AMWhile that's true, thinking like that probably contributes to the position the team is in right now. I want the decision maker here to be ruthless in viewing value in monetary terms. Paying more than value is not a recipe for a good team. The mistake with Barkley, aside from Gettleman's moronic decision, was not unloading Barkley when he would have brought something back. Thank you John Mara, the other moron we still have around.
I couldn't agree more with this post. Succumbing to emotion with these decisions is a flat out competitive disadvantage in a league with a stringent salary cap. Barkley is not the player he once was, and he cannot remotely be counted on from a durability perspective. Let someone else overpay him on name recognition. I like and respect him, and I hope he gets a big contract. Just not from us.
Quote from: babywhales on February 07, 2024, 03:36:40 PMShould have been traded last season prior to trade deadline, and then again this year.
Letting picks walk away is a missed opportunity, especially for a team rebuilding.
You think the Giants would have traded their starting RB after starting 6-2 in 2022?
The Giants have been walking away from their draft picks for over a decade. You can count on 1 hand the ones they have extended.
There was an article at 33rd team that said the one free agent the Giants need to keep is Barkley. I don't agree with their pick or justification
RB SAQUON BARKLEY
Paying top-flight money for a running back in free agency is usually a bad idea, especially for one with as many injuries and touches as Saquon Barkley. But the New York Giants aren't in a position to lose their best skill player.
They have arguably the NFL's worst group of receivers and hardly got any production from their tight ends. Another one-year deal makes sense for Barkley, as the Giants try to rebuild their offense this offseason.
https://www.the33rdteam.com/1-free-agent-each-nfl-team-must-re-sign-in-2024-offseason/
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 08, 2024, 11:13:49 AMThere was an article at 33rd team that said the one free agent the Giants need to keep is Barkley. I don't agree with their pick or justification
RB SAQUON BARKLEY
Paying top-flight money for a running back in free agency is usually a bad idea, especially for one with as many injuries and touches as Saquon Barkley. But the New York Giants aren't in a position to lose their best skill player.
They have arguably the NFL's worst group of receivers and hardly got any production from their tight ends. Another one-year deal makes sense for Barkley, as the Giants try to rebuild their offense this offseason.
https://www.the33rdteam.com/1-free-agent-each-nfl-team-must-re-sign-in-2024-offseason/
I mean I'm not sure I agree that a 1 year deal would make sense for Barkley. Would make more sense for the Giants I would say.