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"This team needs so much--there just aren't good enough players in enough places," Barber opined. "To put it all on the quarterback... Let's say they draft Drake Maye. 'We got our savior!' and then he's brought with ineptitude and ineffectiveness around him, and he gets beat up and loses confidence [and] he gets hurt as a rookie. Now, what do we do? We're stuck 'cause we haven't built from the foundation."
"Too many teams in the NFL get enamored with building from the head," Barber continued. "You gotta build the legs and that (butt) first. ... Teams that are sitting where they are now, they built it that way. The Kansas City Chiefs built it that way. Did they have a great quarterback in Alex Smith? No. But he was pretty good enough, right? Won double-digit games for long enough, and the foundation was built. And look where they are.
"The San Francisco 49ers have been building with defensive linemen and offensive linemen for a decade now. It's all they do. All right. It's like, 'Damn, the quarterback. We'll take Jimmy Garoppolo, who stinks and can't stay healthy. But guess what? We're gonna consistently be in the playoffs.'
"Foundations win championships or get you in a position to do it. It's not by sticking a pretty head that can be the face of my franchise on top of everything and saying 'Alright, we're good to go.' That's not how it works, man. Build it the right way."
It's a misconception when he says, "To put it all on the quarterback..." There isn't one poster here who has said, let alone, believes that getting an elite QB fixes everything. But the QB position does need to be addressed, along with the other areas of need.
The offensive line woes have been addressed. For a myriad of reasons, it hasn't worked out... yet. If the answer was simple, it would have been done. If it was easy, it would have been done.
They can draft a QB and offensive line help, as well as pick up guys in FA.
Quote from: T200 on February 08, 2024, 02:42:03 PMIt's a misconception when he says, "To put it all on the quarterback..." There isn't one poster here who has said, let alone, believes that getting an elite QB fixes everything. But the QB position does need to be addressed, along with the other areas of need.
The offensive line woes have been addressed. For a myriad of reasons, it hasn't worked out... yet. If the answer was simple, it would have been done. If it was easy, it would have been done.
They can draft a QB and offensive line help, as well as pick up guys in FA.
Tim,
In fairness there have been posters pointing to the Texans and saying it can all turn around just with a QB. I agree with your point that we could possibly fix other problems and address QB. However, if the Giants trade up for a QB (as many have proposed) then I think what Tiki said is very valid.
The Mara confederacy is in full effect. Then again is a Giant Alum really going to say Jones stinks. Draft a QB at all costs?
Texans disprove any bs claim. Either a an aspiring QB star is all it takes to turnaround a franchise or you can simultaneously add a new QB and other pieces as well. It isn't a 0zero sum game situation. Either way jones should be riding pine and or cut. But so clear the feelers are out there in keeping this guy and not drafting a QB.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 08, 2024, 02:44:21 PMTim,
In fairness there have been posters pointing to the Texans and saying it can all turn around just with a QB. I agree with your point that we could possibly fix other problems and address QB. However, if the Giants trade up for a QB (as many have proposed) then I think what Tiki said is very valid.
Rich,
In fairness, those remarks were in response to folks saying Daniel Jones needs a better supporting cast to be productive.
Everything can't and won't be fixed this offseason.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 08, 2024, 02:44:21 PMTim,
In fairness there have been posters pointing to the Texans and saying it can all turn around just with a QB. I agree with your point that we could possibly fix other problems and address QB. However, if the Giants trade up for a QB (as many have proposed) then I think what Tiki said is very valid.
A QB can absolutely turn a franchise around; however, there's a huge difference between a 3-14 team earning respectability and actually competing for a SB. For the latter, Hou must improve their roster. In the modern NFL, it starts with the QB. Yet, that doesn't mean you don't need talent-up and-down the roster. With the right QB, the Giants could also earn respectability; yet, they'll still be a long way from winning a SB without more talent.
Quote from: kingm56 on February 08, 2024, 02:56:14 PMA QB can absolutely turn a franchise around; however, there's a huge difference between a 3-14 team earning respectability and actually competing for a SB. For the latter, Hou must improve their roster. In the modern NFL, it starts with the QB. Yet, that doesn't mean you don't need talent-up and-down the roster. With the right QB, the Giants could also earn respectability; yet, they'll still be a long way from winning a SB without more talent.
Between you and
@Fletch, I think
@T200 realizes I was correct. Still, here is what I have seen. When good teams draft QBs their success rate is much higher than when bad teams draft a QB. From what I have been seeing when a good team drafts a potential franchise QB, they have about a 75% success rate and even find gems in the later rounds. When a bad team drafts a potential QB they have about a 25% chance of hitting on their QB.
Tiki is spot on. Teams with good coaching, scheme, pass protection, and some weapons for their QB to throw to, have a much easier time developing their prospects into winners than teams where their new QB is running for their lives and desperately looking for open receivers, all with the added pressure of playing from behind.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 08, 2024, 03:01:24 PMBetween you and @Fletch, I think @T200 realizes I was correct. Still, here is what I have seen. When good teams draft QBs their success rate is much higher than when bad teams draft a QB. From what I have been seeing when a good team drafts a potential franchise QB, they have about a 75% success rate and even find gems in the later rounds. When a bad team drafts a potential QB they have about a 25% chance of hitting on their QB.
Tiki is spot on. Teams with good coaching, scheme, pass protection, and some weapons for their QB to throw to, have a much easier time developing their prospects into winners than teams where their new QB is running for their lives and desperately looking for open receivers, all with the added pressure of playing from behind.
He is saying the same thing Jones-lovers here are saying and presumably what Mara wants. This is not the first time Tiki is so obviously just trying to score kiss-ass point with the Giants.
Alex Smith wasn't a good QB? A 3x Pro Bowler. He had a high clutch factor with a good record of come from behind wins. He made an awesome comeback.
Jimmy G sucked? The 9ers couldn't even win a game before he got there. He went like 5-0 when he started ; threw like 300 yards a game in all of them. He went to the SB ; was supposed to replace Brady.
Quote from: Fletch on February 08, 2024, 03:25:20 PMHe is saying the same thing Jones-lovers here are saying
"Jones-lover"? I recall yesterday you were complaining that people considered you a troll. Well if you don't want people to consider you a troll it would be wise not to act like one. So lose the nonsensical labels and stick to talking football.
Well what do you want me to call them? Never in all my life do I remember a fanbase of any NY sports franchise; Football, baseball; hockey ; and Basketball so devoted to a player who so obviously just stinks! Can you name one? ... I can't.
By any objective and even subjective measure ... Jones did not accomplish what Alex Smith has on different teams. He is not as good. Jones did not accomplish what Jimmy G has done with the 49ers.
And by the by, I was called a troll by a poster who is obviously carrying a grudger for pointing out the inconsistencies of cheering for players who have committed violent heinous crimes while acting like someone is the devil incarnate because their opinions on vax. It was politically motivated smear.
Tiki in the bubble. All those in the bubble can't evaluate clearly.
Quote from: Fletch on February 08, 2024, 03:48:26 PMWell what do you want me to call them? Never in all my life do I remember a fanbase of any NY sports franchise; Football, baseball; hockey ; and Basketball so devoted to a player who so obviously just stinks! Can you name one? ... I can't.
By any objective and even subjective measure ... Jones did not accomplish what Alex Smith has on different teams. He is not as good. Jones did not accomplish what Jimmy G has done with the 49ers.
And by the by, I was called a troll by a poster who is obviously carrying a grudger for pointing out the inconsistencies of cheering for players who have committed violent heinous crimes while acting like someone is the devil incarnate because their opinions on vax. It was politically motivated smear.
The golden rule (treat others as you wish to be treated) is pretty much universally accepted. I am pretty sure you would not appreciate people dismissing you out of hand as some irrational Jones hater.
Tiki is ensconced in the Giant's bubble. Like Eli. Like Banks. Like others close to the organization. They can't make objective opinions.
He's right about building from the bottom, the feet. On the offensive side, the feet is the offensive line. The head are the WR's & non-blocking TE's. RB's are the top of the head. But the QB is the core. It's the hardest, most expensive and most important position. If a team starts with a QB, it needs to protect him, even if it means waiting to build the defense.
The other thing teams need to do is keep top players from reaching free agency. Whether you like a player like McKinney or not, what will it cost to replace him? With all the needs around the team, why waste a draft pick for a safety when they could've extended him last year for less than he'll get now as a free agent? 4 years and done. Losing Pugh and Richburg hurt badly back then. High draft picks that may not have been pro bowlers, but they were played so much better than anyone else they brought in until Thomas.
The Giants took a major step back from rebuilding when they drafted Barkley, the top of the head and overpaid for free agent OL. Mara thought Barkley was all Manning needed. What phase of the rebuild are they at right now? At least 3 OL needed and a gigantic question mark at QB, the foot and the main part of the body.
He's right. As much as I don't want to admit it. I think Daniel Jones could be our Alex Smith, if we play our cards right.
If we drafted a qb at 6 and he was the guy and then got a pass rusher and 2 FA Olinemen that worked we'd easily be a playoff team this coming season.
The benefit of having THE guy under a rookie contract allows you to build a team around him.
I just don't see how passing on a Mccarthy or Daniels is a smart play as there aren't any guys coming up that you can point to and say yep if we are still bad we can get this guy in 25,26.
Quote from: PSUBeirut on February 08, 2024, 04:27:46 PMHe's right. As much as I don't want to admit it. I think Daniel Jones could be our Alex Smith, if we play our cards right.
Into year six and coming off serious knee surgery in late November. If he's ready and primed for opening day it will be quite the miracle. I expect October and maybe by December his form, whatever that's worth, will be almost there.
Quote from: katkavage on February 08, 2024, 05:17:27 PMInto year six and coming off serious knee surgery in late November. If he's ready and primed for opening day it will be quite the miracle. I expect October and maybe by December his form, whatever that's worth, will be almost there.
The problem is that for 5 Years we've seen Jones not even be capable of putting up Alex Smith numbers.
Just on the Texans and Stroud I think people are forgetting that the Texans were competitive in a lot of games in 2022 (6 single score losses going 3-13-1) and won 2 of final 4, only losing in OT to the Chiefs.
When they drafted Stroud they already had an ascending D and significantly bolstered their OL and WR corps in free agency and draft. They under-achieved in 2022, over-achieved in 2023 and without doubt Stroud was the X factor but he was not the only factor.
So, Tiki has a point to a point. IF the Giants draft a QB it has to be part of a plan like the Texans had, meaning we have to prioritise helping the potential future /incumbent QB in free agency pre draft and the rest of the draft. Rookie QBs are more often naughty boys than messiahs (no prizes for catching the reference).
Well a great QB can raise up a pretty good team
But also a great team can mask a bad qb up to a certain point
For every 49ers
You have the colts who had very good teams but were picking up old.QBs and that didnt work
The Jets have a very good team
They won 7 games with zac wilson
But again no.playoffs
Its easier to say draft a great team 9r draft a great QB
But there is a 50 -50.chance you draft a bust in the first round and it goes down from there
Quote from: PSUBeirut on February 08, 2024, 04:27:46 PMHe's right. As much as I don't want to admit it. I think Daniel Jones could be our Alex Smith, if we play our cards right.
The same Alex Smith who was replaced by two franchise's that went to the SB the season following his departure? The fact that Alex Smith is his bar has been the issue for the last 5 years. DJ would also have to significantly improve his production to even hit this bar, which is unlikely in Year 6.
Doesn't anyone realize that to draft an ,"elite" QB ,( which could be a crap shoot ) we would have to move up in the draft and surrender probably both our number 2s this year , plus our number 1 and more next year . I don't care if it were Tom Brady, Joe Montana etc. , we would be awful with no draft capital to fix the many holes that we have .
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on February 09, 2024, 05:10:58 AMDoesn't anyone realize that to draft an ,"elite" QB ,( which could be a crap shoot ) we would have to move up in the draft and surrender probably both our number 2s this year , plus our number 1 and more next year . I don't care if it were Tom Brady, Joe Montana etc. , we would be awful with no draft capital to fix the many holes that we have .
So do nothing and continue to lose is the answer?
Also you wouldn't give a 1st and 2 2nds for Tom brady?
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on February 09, 2024, 05:10:58 AMDoesn't anyone realize that to draft an ,"elite" QB ,( which could be a crap shoot ) we would have to move up in the draft and surrender probably both our number 2s this year , plus our number 1 and more next year . I don't care if it were Tom Brady, Joe Montana etc. , we would be awful with no draft capital to fix the many holes that we have .
Every draft is a crap shoot. That's the business the GMs are in. Did the Giants shoot the crap when they took Evan Neal, a very highly rated offensive lineman when they did? Crap happens. But you cannot let that deter you from doing what you think will best help the team. The Giants did just that in 2004 when they traded for the first round pick of Eli Manning. It brought them two Super Bowls. I will leave the decision to the GM. We shall see how it plays out in the future for the team. One thing I know, whatever the GM chooses to do, trade up, draft a QB at six, trade down, pick a WR or OL, it's all a crap shoot.
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on February 09, 2024, 05:10:58 AMDoesn't anyone realize that to draft an ,"elite" QB ,( which could be a crap shoot ) we would have to move up in the draft and surrender probably both our number 2s this year , plus our number 1 and more next year . I don't care if it were Tom Brady, Joe Montana etc. , we would be awful with no draft capital to fix the many holes that we have .
Do you realize the paradoxical nature of your statement? You state the Giants shouldn't draft a QB, because it's a crap shoot, while simultaneously stating you wouldn't trade said draft picks because they're too valuable. Finally, I don't believe there's a GM is history who wouldn't execute your proposed trade; the problem, there's no way NE would be foolish enough to execute said theoretical trade. The same is true for Pat Mahomes; KC wouldn't dream of trading him...they rather let a future HoF WR walk before even considering the possibility.
San Francisco is in the Super Bowl with a QB that was last pick in his draft class.....more than an elite QB needed to be a consistently winning program.
Quote from: Woody on February 09, 2024, 08:16:58 AMSan Francisco is in the Super Bowl with a QB that was last pick in his draft class.....more than an elite QB needed to be a consistently winning program.
Except Purdy is a pro bowl QB who is top 5 by almost every objective and subjective data point; plus, we saw how SF performed last year without him/injured. They looked like a completely different team, which refutes your point.
Quote from: kingm56 on February 09, 2024, 08:23:46 AMExcept Purdy is a pro bowl QB who is top 5 by almost every objective and subjective data point; plus, we saw how SF performed last year without him/injured. They looked like a completely different team, which refutes your point.
If I remember correctly, KC went into Santa Clara and beat the tar out of the 49ers. The QB carousel was down to its final spin: the Mr. Irrelevant of of the 2022 draft. Not a Pro Bowl QB by any stretch, at least that anyone knew of at the time. Then the kid just stepped up and pulled a Kurt Warner-like show to take the entire league by storm.
Thst's why the glass slipper must fit on Sunday night. It will be a storybook ending which would be more Kurt Warner than Tom Brady-like, but it deserves to stand on its own, Purdy-like. It's the ultimate lesson in that it takes a coach, an offense and the "right" quarterback, regardless where drafted, or signed, to make it work
Peace!
Quote from: kingm56 on February 09, 2024, 01:09:24 AMThe same Alex Smith who was replaced by two franchise's that went to the SB the season following his departure? The fact that Alex Smith is his bar has been the issue for the last 5 years. DJ would also have to significantly improve his production to even hit this bar, which is unlikely in Year 6.
Technically Smith was still with the 49ers when they lost to the Ravens in the Super Bowl. He got injured in 2012 and Kaepernick took over and Harbough made the switch permanent so Smith backed him up the rest of the way. The following season he was traded to the Chiefs.
I like Tiki but would love to know what kind of medication he was on when he pulled this idea out of his hat.
In politics:Its the economy stupid
In the NFL: Its the QB STUPID
Quote from: kingm56 on February 09, 2024, 01:09:24 AMThe same Alex Smith who was replaced by two franchise's that went to the SB the season following his departure? The fact that Alex Smith is his bar has been the issue for the last 5 years. DJ would also have to significantly improve his production to even hit this bar, which is unlikely in Year 6.
Soooo... looks like we'll be in the SB after we get rid of Jones?!?
Sign me up! :P
Quote from: kingm56 on February 09, 2024, 08:23:46 AMExcept Purdy is a pro bowl QB who is top 5 by almost every objective and subjective data point; plus, we saw how SF performed last year without him/injured. They looked like a completely different team, which refutes your point.
If Purdy had been drafted by the Jets, he would be on their practice squad. Purdy was lucky enough to be drafted to a very talented team with an outstanding coaching staff.
Quote from: T200 on February 09, 2024, 10:03:20 AMSoooo... looks like we'll be in the SB after we get rid of Jones?!?
Sign me up! :P
lol. The problem is, DJ has yet to approach Smith's production...not even close. We're hoping he can become Smith, which is a problem in itself.
DJ should get a job as a DJ
QB is not his thing. He leads the Punt Brigade into battle
You can't pass up on a franchise QB when you have a chance. It's the only way to win a championship. Watch what happens Sunday as I will bet that KC, despite being a weaker overall roster, will win by 10. (And I will eat crow if wrong). If Schoen doesn't think he can get that guy then move forward elsewhere.
The problem as I've seen it is we do compete with Tyrod. I think Jones is a certainly part of the problem and not the solution. If the defense forces turnovers and our offense moves like it did later in the season then adding a franchise guy would vault us ahead.
15% of the QBs in this league are elite. That doesn't mean that there's a 15% chance to draft one. Some teams like Buffalo go 25 years to get one and have him play in his prime.
There's a lesson in there somewhere.
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 09, 2024, 10:31:24 PM15% of the QBs in this league are elite. That doesn't mean that there's a 15% chance to draft one. Some teams like Buffalo go 25 years to get one and have him play in his prime.
There's a lesson in there somewhere.
It's actually a much lower percentage than that. It's 15% of starting QBs are elite. Not all quarterbacks drafted end up being starters. Seeing how there are a significant number of starting QBs in the league who were not first-round picks, you need to consider the total number of QBs drafted every year and then consider that just 5 of all those QBs picked end up elite. I am not going to do the math, but I venture to guess the odds are around 1% or 2%
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 10, 2024, 08:35:51 AMIt's actually a much lower percentage than that. It's 15% of starting QBs are elite. Not all quarterbacks drafted end up being starters. Seeing how there are a significant number of starting QBs in the league who were not first-round picks, you need to consider the total number of QBs drafted every year and then consider that just 5 of all those QBs picked end up elite. I am not going to do the math, but I venture to guess the odds are around 1% or 2%
And how many of those win a SB...
Quote from: BluesCruz on February 09, 2024, 04:06:14 PMDJ should get a job as a DJ
QB is not his thing. He leads the Punt Brigade into battle
With all due respect, good sir, the military term is "Crutch Brigade," as coined by the drill instructors at Army boot camp. You're more apt to find a "punt brigade" at a pub somewhere in England with a mass around the television sipping pints while watching the race horses. I've even even heard the term used in Australia 🇦🇺 for a series of small motor boats jockeying around the bigger boats for position for the best water spots to drop an anchor.
Regardless, DJ won't be DJ'ing anytime soon. Besides, he still has his business for the "Danny Dimes" trademark to tend to when his career is finished.
Peace!
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 09, 2024, 10:41:52 AMIf Purdy had been drafted by the Jets, he would be on their practice squad. Purdy was lucky enough to be drafted to a very talented team with an outstanding coaching staff.
Further, he has arguably the best left tackle in the game. His offensive line has played consistently well for over two years now and are one with the kid. They have the synergy every bit as Simms had Benson, Ard, Oates, Godfrey, Nelson and the tight end, Mark Bavaro (NOTE: I can hear Pat Summerall's voice in my head announce the 1985-86 Giants' offensive line). That means something!
At best, what Jones, Taylor and DeVito have right now are the bumbling, stumbling late 70s Giants O-line. In other words, fix the damn line, please! As soon as Parcells did, following 1983, and further reinforced it after 1984, the Giants made their run. Simms had three healthy years where he didn't miss a game. Ironically, those were the only seasons he didn't miss any games until his final season in 1993.
Peace!
Quote from: BluesCruz on February 09, 2024, 04:06:14 PMDJ should get a job as a DJ
QB is not his thing. He leads the Punt Brigade into battle
Found this earlier today and thought of your post. DJ shouldn't quit his day job as he looks out of place, of sorts, with Eli and Sean Payton. Not to break the kid's chops, but he looks way out of his league on a couch of Super Bowl winners.
Peace!
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 09, 2024, 10:31:24 PM15% of the QBs in this league are elite. That doesn't mean that there's a 15% chance to draft one. Some teams like Buffalo go 25 years to get one and have him play in his prime.
There's a lesson in there somewhere.
And as Bufflo showed us an elite QB can take you just so far
KC is not a top notch "team".
they have achieved SB status with a great QB and TE
Tomorrow they will be eaten by a pack of wild wolves
41-17
We on the other hand have a decent team and horrible QB
He was ok coming out of college but his regression has been breathtaking
If Tommy had had the reins Id say we would have had a punchers chance of being in the big game. We are very close to being a contender but somehow, someway they have to unload Jones.....even if Gardiner Minshew is the alternative
we are QB impeeded big time
Quote from: BluesCruz on February 10, 2024, 03:55:31 PMIf Tommy had had the reins Id say we would have had a punchers chance of being in the big game.
To be clear I am understanding you correctly: you believe that with DeVito starting all season the Giants would be a Super Bowl caliber team?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on February 10, 2024, 04:06:55 PMTo be clear I am understanding you correctly: you believe that with DeVito starting all season the Giants would be a Super Bowl caliber team?
:computer:
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on February 10, 2024, 04:06:55 PMTo be clear I am understanding you correctly: you believe that with DeVito starting all season the Giants would be a Super Bowl caliber team?
does it really surprise you?
Quote from: kingm56 on February 09, 2024, 10:47:11 AMlol. The problem is, DJ has yet to approach Smith's production...not even close. We're hoping he can become Smith, which is a problem in itself.
Exactly. We're hoping DJ can become Alex Smith in the same way we're hoping Evan Neal becomes David Diehl. It would be great if it happens but you don't build a football team based on "it would be great if" scenarios. And you've got to keep a very short leash on good but not great potential.
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on February 10, 2024, 04:57:26 PMExactly. We're hoping DJ can become Alex Smith in the same way we're hoping Evan Neal becomes David Diehl. It would be great if it happens but you don't build a football team based on "it would be great if" scenarios. And you've got to keep a very short leash on good but not great potential.
Someone must have spiked my water today so let me try to articulate what just popped out of my two or three working brain cells this weekend (NOTE: the rest I have to conserve for the week ahead):
We're all hoping DJ can become the grandeur of delusion in Mara's and Gettleman's brains which prompted the selection of him at #6 in 2019.
Leash optional.
Peace!
In February 2023, I would have agreed with him.
Here's the problem: a whole year has gone by since then. There was a season called the 2023 season, and it was bad. Really bad. Not just bad, ugly and boring and the equivalent of watching royal blue paint dry. Because we do not have a franchise quarterback. At one time I thought we did. I was wrong. So is Tiki.
Everything we failed at in 2023, and everything Houston succeeded at, destroys his case. Rebuilding team, bad line... didn't matter. They were a force to be reckoned with because they got the right quarterback. It's time we did the same.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on February 10, 2024, 04:06:55 PMTo be clear I am understanding you correctly: you believe that with DeVito starting all season the Giants would be a Super Bowl caliber team?
Stop feeding the trolls. To quote Logan Roy "These are not serious people".
So after seeing the Niners fall short in the big game yet again, is anyone still on board with Tiki's "build everywhere but at QB" argument? Just checking.
Quote from: y_so_blu on February 11, 2024, 11:16:39 PMSo after seeing the Niners fall short in the big game yet again, is anyone still on board with Tiki's "build everywhere but at QB" argument? Just checking.
A new QB can work magic provided he has average around him. In the Giants case their OL gave up 85 sacks. Nobody works magic with that. More likely gets hurt. Fixing OL is priority #1 and getting a QB is priority #2.
Quote from: Philosophers on February 12, 2024, 12:48:22 AMA new QB can work magic provided he has average around him. In the Giants case their OL gave up 85 sacks. Nobody works magic with that. More likely gets hurt. Fixing OL is priority #1 and getting a QB is priority #2.
Once again... that's a 2020-22 argument. I'm done beating my head against that wall and I hope the Giants are too.
Does anyone think rationally that the Chiefs win three out of four Super Bowls with anyone but Mahomes? They have a very good coach and organization and some nice players, but it's the QB that is the difference. Same could be said for the Pats who never won one without Brady despite the coach and organization. Not saying there are many Mahomes or Brady's out there, but you have to try to find that guy.
Quote from: katkavage on February 12, 2024, 07:02:28 AMDoes anyone think rationally that the Chiefs win three out of four Super Bowls with anyone but Mahomes? They have a very good coach and organization and some nice players, but it's the QB that is the difference. Same could be said for the Pats who never won one without Brady despite the coach and organization. Not saying there are many Mahomes or Brady's out there, but you have to try to find that guy.
Mahomes and Spags.
Thank you, Mr. Mara.
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 12, 2024, 08:25:51 AMMahomes and Spags.
Thank you, Mr. Mara.
Lombardi/Landry. Like father, like son.
Quote from: y_so_blu on February 12, 2024, 02:23:26 AMOnce again... that's a 2020-22 argument. I'm done beating my head against that wall and I hope the Giants are too.
You continue to think football is not a team sport and that a good QB can line up by himself against 11 defensive players and win consistently. News flash. He can't.
I'm all for drafting a QB this year. What I am against is playing him until the OL is fixed.
I agree with Tiki 100% 👏
Quote from: y_so_blu on February 11, 2024, 11:16:39 PMSo after seeing the Niners fall short in the big game yet again, is anyone still on board with Tiki's "build everywhere but at QB" argument? Just checking.
I don't understand this take. The 49ers lost in overtime and only went to overtime due to a missed PAT. Clearly the roster as constructed was championship-caliber. It wasn't like they didn't belong there and were run off the field, exposed as frauds.
Tiki lowkey just wants the Giants to be awful forever... he's still mad about 07