Poll
Question:
Money aside who would you prefer start at QB if no other better candidate appears on the scene
Option 1: Tommy DeVito
votes: 8
Option 2: Daniel Jones
votes: 34
Personally, I prefer DeVito by a mile ad he hardly cost us a dime.
With basically the same surrounding personnel DeVito far outperformed Jones. I think Jones is now damaged goods- mostly psychologically
Jones plays scared and the line does not get too pumped up to block for him.
DeVito having similar arm skills is far more poised and can make the long and back shoulder passes outside the numbers along the boundry that Jones seems actually seems scared to even attempt. He does not have DeVito's touch.
In contrast the team rallys around DeVito.
Having said all this, I'm sure the Giants management will not recognize any of this.
jones because he is much much better.
I think most would vote neither
If that is the choice (which is really no good choice at all) then it is Jones and by a distance for me.
De Vito had some surprise value as teams had no tape on him but they caught up with him in a few weeks. For me he's not a sustainable NFL QB. Jones on his too infrequent good days is clearly better.
I take the locker room point but again De Vito was a feel good story that came when everybody needed a lift but by season end he was rightly benched and his limitations were clear to see.
Bottom line for me De Vito is a QB3/QB4. Jones will be an average to good QB2 when his race with us is eventually run.
Please stop. DeVito is not good or a serious part of the team's future plans.
Jones. And it's not even close.
If we can't be real, let's try to at least be reasonable. It will be Jones not just as he's my preference but Schoen's and Daboll's as well. Following FA and/or the Draft, the more pertinent question is whether or not DeVito even survives as a QB3?
Cheers!
I would have preferred our HC let DeVito play out the string and then I could give you a better informed decision.
But ol "we needed a spark? screwed the pooch on that.....among many other decisions he made last season.
I fear that DeVito will be jettisoned early in camp. Called burying your mistakes....something he has learned very well.
So it will be Jones. I have already written off next year. This team needs a stable experienced HC, like a Rivera or Vrabel.
Prediction....If Jones is cleared and healthy by the start of camp, he will play little to none of the preseason, thereby insuring his failure in 2024. It is called a convenient excuse to by more time for Daboll.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on February 08, 2024, 05:42:49 PMPlease stop. DeVito is not good or a serious part of the team's future plans.
Devito wont be the team after the 2024 season. He has his 15 minutes of fame. This is a silly thread
This is an incredibly depressing thread.
The gulf between us and the good teams in the league is downright mammoth.
This falls under the same light as retaining Barkley
Like Jones a highly lauded and overpaid player
Both are ordinary and need to be jettisoned
DeVito never got the preparation and space to make mistakes and learn from them
Personally I believe the severe illegal head shot he took from New Orleans sealed his fate the next game as he wasnt the same player that week
Jones, Collins, Brown etc were and are given eons to develop or carry on
DeVito basically had one slow game and most of you forgot the amazing things he did prior. Daboll basically panicked and threw Taylor in there.
You all might be right, and he will go on to be exposed to waivers and will likely wind up a top QB in some place like NE, Minn, Seattle or DC as a give away.
The other teams having tape on him is likely the lamest argument Ive ever read on a message board.
Tommy didnt call the plays so tape would not help very much. He had an amazing NFL career start on a very under talented team
To sum it up, New Orleans which has a history of bounties, targeted his head and they got away with it Scott Free not even a penalty flag :boooo:
Devito was fun for his 15 minutes and then reality set in. Banging the Devito drum is the equivalent of just saying you want many more years of mediocrity.
Quote from: Messiah717 on February 09, 2024, 08:30:44 AMDevito was fun for his 15 minutes and then reality set in. Banging the Devito drum is the equivalent of just saying you want many more years of mediocrity.
We will never know. We will continue to watch our Robotic 45 million dollar QB. Most of you approve of that and will suffer for 18 miserable weeks as punishment
Quote from: BluesCruz on February 09, 2024, 09:16:47 AMWe will never know. We will continue to watch our Robotic 45 million dollar QB. Most of you approve of that and will suffer for 18 miserable weeks as punishment
Devito was worse. Is worse. And will be worse. And Jones ain't good. To be very clear. If the Giants do not draft a QB this season and those guys are 1 and 2 on the depth chart they will be picking in the top 5 again next season. Possibly top 3. Maybe then they'll find a real QB, since they don't currently as things stand now employ one.
Quote from: Gmo11 on February 09, 2024, 10:20:38 AMDevito was worse. Is worse. And will be worse. And Jones ain't good. To be very clear. If the Giants do not draft a QB this season and those guys are 1 and 2 on the depth chart they will be picking in the top 5 again next season. Possibly top 3. Maybe then they'll find a real QB, since they don't currently as things stand now employ one.
Other than run like a RB, in what way is Jones better. Can you be specific because the results on the field last year and stats (QBR?) sure do not bear you out
Quote from: BluesCruz on February 09, 2024, 10:25:51 AMOther than run like a RB, in what way is Jones better. Can you be specific because the results on the field last year and stats (QBR?) sure do not bear you out
QBR last year:
Devito 23.6
Jones 36.6
50 is average. They were both not good.
Jones
Is this a serious question? I don't want to vote, because when I see the results, if anyone voted for DeVito, it means this site is NOT "The Home of the Most Informed Giants Fans."
Ok, I couldn't help myself. The 5 who voted for DeVito should be banned as they clearly do not fit the tagline of the site.
Quote from: coggs on February 09, 2024, 01:34:40 PMIs this a serious question? I don't want to vote, because when I see the results, if anyone voted for DeVito, it means this site is NOT "The Home of the Most Informed Giants Fans."
Consider the source.
It's not a question of which is the more talented QB. Jones is. In reality it's a question of what each player does for the franchise. Starting DeVito allows the organization to accept its status as a bad team in need of a new direction. Starting Jones allows the organization to continue the fraud they've been selling to fans that this team can actually compete for a championship.
Jone is due 69 million dollars until he is cut and has zero market, none.
The O line needs to develop and gel (been waiting 13 years )
Jones will get the opportunity to prove he is a franchise QB and try to convince the Giants not to cut him after 2024/25 season(not likely), Jones can try to create a market for himself for his next stop and or the Giants simply use the 2024/25 season as a year for the line to develop while the new QB learns the system and he doesn't have to take the beating that accompanies the O-Line transition process.
Devito offers no value to the Giants organization. He was a great story, a distraction during miserable times but no real future.
Quote from: babywhales on February 09, 2024, 02:36:21 PMJone is due 69 million dollars until he is cut and has zero market, none.
The O line needs to develop and gel (been waiting 13 years )
Jones will get the opportunity to prove he is a franchise QB and try to convince the Giants not to cut him after 2024/25 season(not likely), Jones can try to create a market for himself for his next stop and or the Giants simply use the 2024/25 season as a year for the line to develop while the new QB learns the system and he doesn't have to take the beating that accompanies the O-Line transition process.
Devito offers no value to the Giants organization. He was a great story, a distraction during miserable times but no real future.
This is worth repeating.
Quote from: coggs on February 09, 2024, 01:40:55 PMOk, I couldn't help myself. The 5 who voted for DeVito should be banned as they clearly do not fit the tagline of the site.
As Jack Nickelson famously proclaimed
"you cannot handle the truth!"
Jones is one of the worst QBs in the league. He has no instinct or cache
He moves like a robot and holds the world record for dumpoff passes
often to a RB who bobbles them
There are certain times I know who the author is just by reading the headline. This was one of those times.
Quote from: BluesCruz on February 09, 2024, 02:51:18 PMAs Jack Nickelson famously proclaimed
"you cannot handle the truth!"
Jones is one of the worst QBs in the league. He has no instinct or cache
He moves like a robot and holds the world record for dumpoff passes
often to a RB who bobbles them
All true. Daniel Jones also has a career record 14 games under .500, has QBed some of the worst offenses in franchise history, and now has a bloated cap number for a contract he never deserved.
The old generation of Giants fans is lost. Future generations will study the Jones era and place him in his proper historical context. We're going to have to weather the storm of bad football being defended by propagandists and their stooges. In many ways following the Giants is like following politics. A small group of incompetents who condition the public to tolerate the BS.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on February 08, 2024, 05:42:49 PMPlease stop. DeVito is not good or a serious part of the team's future plans.
In 2023 Both started 5 games
DeVito threw for 8 TDs and 2 INTS
Jones threw for 2 TDs and 6 INTS
One of these guys should not be a part of our future
for sure that I agree
Thank God there are 5 others on this board brave enough not to toe the company line. There is hope for the future and while it might not be DeVito it surely is not the perrenial loser- Daniel Jones
Nice guy but not close to being a competent NFL QB
Quote from: BluesCruz on February 09, 2024, 05:30:59 PMIn 2023 Both started 5 games
DeVito threw for 8 TDs and 2 INTS
Jones threw for 2 TDs and 6 INTS
One of these guys should not be a part of our future
for sure that I agree
Thank God there are 5 others on this board brave enough not to toe the company line. There is hope for the future and while it might not be DeVito it surely is not the perrenial loser- Daniel Jones
Nice guy but not close to being a competent NFL QB
The real problem with this thread is that you forced people to pick one or the other between 2 qbs that should not be starting qbs in the NFL instead of their being a neither or other option.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 09, 2024, 06:44:52 PMThe real problem with this thread is that you forced people to pick one or the other between 2 qbs that should not be starting qbs in the NFL instead of their being a neither or other option.
with the small but incredibly successful sample size you have from Tommy
you have no way of knowing where his upper limit is
with the huge sample size of Jones you know what he is- a mediocre QB who has a slow release and trouble seeing the field or pulling the trigger
No .....the REAL problem is this is a franchise that would fit comfortably into the leather helmet era.
The root of the problem is the Mara family. They are as stubborn as Woody Hayes
Their solution to the QB problem was fire the HC for flexing his bench and always look to what new QB prospect Duke has come up with....then reward their fans with a medium diet coke (if they can show proper credentials) to sweep away the stigma of losing
The best way to scout NFL football to them seems to put a family member in charge of the scouting department BTW
As in
"We have done everything possible to screw this poor guy up". so lets give him a contract that sets him well on his way to Billionaire status...Good Grief
If your an aging Giants fan like me, the infamous words of the Soup Nazi ring in your ears
NO MORE SOUP FOR YOU!!!!
Quote from: BluesCruz on February 10, 2024, 01:53:47 PMwith the small but incredibly successful sample size you have from Tommy
you have no way of knowing where his upper limit is
with the huge sample size of Jones you know what he is- a mediocre QB who has a slow release and trouble seeing the field or pulling the trigger
No .....the REAL problem is this is a franchise that would fit comfortably into the leather helmet era.
The root of the problem is the Mara family. They are as stubborn as Woody Hayes
Lets share a stadium with another losing franchise, and design it to look like an outdoor AC unit then build it on a former notorious garbage dump.
Their solution to the QB problem was fire the HC for flexing his bench and always look to what new QB prospect Duke has come up with....then reward their fans with a medium diet coke (if they can show proper credentials) to sweep away the stigma of losing
The best way to scout NFL football to them seems to put a family member in charge of the scouting department BTW
As in
"We have done everything possible to screw this poor guy up". so lets give him a contract that sets him well on his way to Billionaire status...Good Grief
If your an aging Giants fan like me, the infamous words of the Soup Nazi ring in your ears
NO MORE SOUP FOR YOU!!!!
Devitos upper limit is the bench, where Daboll sent him.
I have no clue what you are trying to say with all the rest of that so I'll just nod accordingly and go to the next thread.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 10, 2024, 04:39:42 PMDevitos upper limit is the bench, where Daboll sent him.
I have no clue what you are trying to say with all the rest of that so I'll just nod accordingly and go to the next thread.
Tommy DeVito College Career-
Tommy DeVito, who started 15 games over his four years at Syracuse, started in each of Illinois' 13 games during the 2022 season. His 69.6 completion percentage his last season was good for fourth in the nation, tops in the Big Ten and the best in school history.Dec 12, 2023
Daniel Jones college career-
Daniel Jones was 22-37-1 in his career at Duke
He had average individual stats for a backwater Football College- Duke
Its kind of hard to see what Gettleman saw in Jones
Daniel Jones is certainly the most controversial draft pick of the Gettleman era. Few if any saw him as worthy of the No. 6 pick, and questions remain about what his ceiling is.
Reality Bites
Quote from: BluesCruz on February 12, 2024, 09:15:24 AMTommy DeVito College Career-
Tommy DeVito, who started 15 games over his four years at Syracuse, started in each of Illinois' 13 games during the 2022 season. His 69.6 completion percentage his last season was good for fourth in the nation, tops in the Big Ten and the best in school history.Dec 12, 2023
Daniel Jones college career-
Daniel Jones was 22-37-1 in his career at Duke
He had average individual stats for a backwater Football College- Duke
Its kind of hard to see what Gettleman saw in Jones
Daniel Jones is certainly the most controversial draft pick of the Gettleman era. Few if any saw him as worthy of the No. 6 pick, and questions remain about what his ceiling is.
Reality Bites
Devito isn't good. Nor was he successful. He played himself to the bench the minute Taylor was healthy.
Quote from: BluesCruz on February 12, 2024, 09:15:24 AMTommy DeVito College Career-
Tommy DeVito, who started 15 games over his four years at Syracuse, started in each of Illinois' 13 games during the 2022 season. His 69.6 completion percentage his last season was good for fourth in the nation, tops in the Big Ten and the best in school history.Dec 12, 2023
Daniel Jones college career-
Daniel Jones was 22-37-1 in his career at Duke
He had average individual stats for a backwater Football College- Duke
Its kind of hard to see what Gettleman saw in Jones
Daniel Jones is certainly the most controversial draft pick of the Gettleman era. Few if any saw him as worthy of the No. 6 pick, and questions remain about what his ceiling is.
Reality Bites
Dude why do you keep selling me on Devito over Jones, I have now told you multiple times that I don't like either Qb. Do you not read the other threads? Seriously because I am not a fan of DJs game and yet you keep acting as if I'm going to bat for Jones when in REALITY I'm telling you neither qb is a starter in the NFL.
Also Devito was benched and replaced by Garett Shrader which is why he went to Illinois.