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We are just lending him to the cheifs
Our defensive coordinators are responible for about 25 perfcent of superbowl.and superbowl wins
We are spoiled when.it comes to defensive coordinators
I think they have about 18m superbowls between the 3 of them
If the Giants had kept him on as the HC after his interim following the firing of McAdoo and got him a good OC, who knows. Also, firing McAdoo in season was a total over-reaction after one bad season. It didn't need to go down that way.
Including last night's OT game, the Chiefs D gave up a total of 22 2nd half points in 4 post season games.
Here is the 2nd half points yielded by round:
Wild card - Dolphins 0
Division - Bills 7
Championship - Ravens 3
Super Bowl - 49ers 12 (includes OT)
Some pretty good offenses on that list and in two full games worth of play, they gave up 2 TDs and 3 FGs. Teams will win a lot of games when they don't give up points in the 2nd half.
I decided midway through the game to root for the Chiefs specifically for Spags. Had been pretty neutral before then. But seeing that guy on the sidelines and remembering what he did to those undefeated Patriots made me smile. I'll root for that guy for as long as he's doing it...unless he's doing it against the giants.
Quote from: Gmo11 on February 12, 2024, 11:48:16 AMI decided midway through the game to root for the Chiefs specifically for Spags. Had been pretty neutral before then. But seeing that guy on the sidelines and remembering what he did to those undefeated Patriots made me smile. I'll root for that guy for as long as he's doing it...unless he's doing it against the giants.
In the SB prediction thread, I cited Mahomes and Spags as the reasons I thought KC would win.
Another former Giants coach
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Im not 100% sure of this but close to it. When Shurmur was hired, they fired Spags and brought in Bettcher as a replacement. What a move.
What I like Spags, among other things, is that the defenses seem to play better as the season goes on. It happened to KC this year and last and happened to the Giants during both SB runs
i remember talking with Spags at camp in albany, way back then. Such a nice guy, open, friendly...not to mention a great coach. When he was our DC I posted that the Giants needed to sign him to a long-term contract, but sadly he left for the HC job that didn't work out. Glad he has found success and a home in KC.
As good as Spags is, I remember many threads here on how we need to move on; Spags had lost it. etc. etc.
When you have the players it is easier to be a great DC, when you don't, well, we know that from experience.
Quote from: LennG on February 12, 2024, 08:25:38 PMAs good as Spags is, I remember many threads here on how we need to move on; Spags had lost it. etc. etc.
When you have the players it is easier to be a great DC, when you don't, well, we know that from experience.
This board couldn't run Spags out of town fast enough.
"The league has caught up to him."
"He's not a great DC because he needs good lineman to be successful."
Ridiculous stuff.
People in here crucified Spags for his stint with the Saints and that his defense was figured out by the league
Even if true what is also true is that he has evolved with the league
He should NOT have been fired both times with the Giants
I like Daboll..but if for some reason he got fired ... I would not mind givng Spags a chance as long as he calls the defensive plays
Is that even a thing ? I know coaches do it offensively... could we do it defensively ?
I've always been a firm believer that people have ceilings. Just because they're excellent at one level doesn't guarantee similar success at a higher level.
Not all great coordinators can/will be great HCs.
Quote from: T200 on February 13, 2024, 02:35:04 PMI've always been a firm believer that people have ceilings. Just because they're excellent at one level doesn't guarantee similar success at a higher level.
Not all great coordinators can/will be great HCs.
I'm old enough to remember Lombardi endorsing his longtime assistant Phil Bengston as his replacement. After 3 years and a 20-21-1 record he was fired. Served as interim HC in NE and went 1-4
Quote from: killarich on February 13, 2024, 01:11:26 PMPeople in here crucified Spags for his stint with the Saints and that his defense was figured out by the league
Even if true what is also true is that he has evolved with the league
He should NOT have been fired both times with the Giants
I like Daboll..but if for some reason he got fired ... I would not mind givng Spags a chance as long as he calls the defensive plays
Is that even a thing ? I know coaches do it offensively... could we do it defensively ?
I only recalled him being let go after his 4 game stint as interim head coach in 2017. He left on his own the first time to be head coach of the Rams.
Quote from: TDToomer on February 13, 2024, 04:18:44 PMI only recalled him being let go after his 4 game stint as interim head coach in 2017. He left on his own the first time to be head coach of the Rams.
you're right idk why I said twice... maybe I was thinking of the saints run
Spags best attribute IMO is that he doesn't try to run the same system regardless of personnel.
He changes to fit the personnel.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on February 13, 2024, 06:22:40 PMSpags best attribute IMO is that he doesn't try to run the same system regardless of personnel.
He changes to fit the personnel.
hes a defensive genius.... will go down as one of the best coordinators of all time
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Quote from: T200 on February 13, 2024, 02:35:04 PMI've always been a firm believer that people have ceilings. Just because they're excellent at one level doesn't guarantee similar success at a higher level.
Not all great coordinators can/will be great HCs.
LOL Where does that leave the red faced explosive Daboll??
Im not sure Id even hire him a co-ordinator?
His Peter Principle might be ticket booth or beer dispenser
He has to go....bring in Pete Caroll for goodness sakes
What was the game where he went for 2 and could have easily tied the game?
Im like WHAT the heck?
Quote from: President Rick on February 12, 2024, 07:07:28 PMi remember talking with Spags at camp in albany, way back then. Such a nice guy, open, friendly...not to mention a great coach. When he was our DC I posted that the Giants needed to sign him to a long-term contract, but sadly he left for the HC job that didn't work out. Glad he has found success and a home in KC.
It's important to remember he originally had ties to Andy Reid in Philadelphia so the fact that the both of them hoisted the Lombardi together in KC was no coincidence.
Peace!
Maybe he just has damn good talent on the defensive side of the ball or a coaching staff that does a better than average job of developing the talent on the team.
When something works, there's often a desire to place credit to one thing as the reason. I am not saying Spags is not a good or great DC but lots of things make a good defense. How about low injuries to a starting unit in a season as a reason for success?
Quote from: BluesCruz on February 14, 2024, 08:40:28 PMLOL Where does that leave the red faced explosive Daboll??
Im not sure Id even hire him a co-ordinator?
His Peter Principle might be ticket booth or beer dispenser
He has to go....bring in Pete Caroll for goodness sakes
What was the game where he went for 2 and could have easily tied the game?
Im like WHAT the heck?
Daboll may very well fall into that category of "better as coordinator than head coach" but I'm still willing to give him more time.
You want the same Pete Carroll that eschewed giving the ball to Beast Mode that cost them back-to-back Lombardis? I will forever dislike him for making the absolutely worst call in Super Bowl history.
Quote from: Rosehill Jimmy on February 13, 2024, 03:17:34 PMI'm old enough to remember Lombardi endorsing his longtime assistant Phil Bengston as his replacement. After 3 years and a 20-21-1 record he was fired. Served as interim HC in NE and went 1-4
Pretty sure Parcells recommended Ray The Nameless.