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Beyond that, I heard someone (I forget who but I don't listen to fools) say that if you eliminated positional value the three best players in this draft are WRs
I agree 100%. My problem is if Malik Nabers cant be more than 7 yards from the LOS because the Giants QB continues to be under siege, then how valuable is Malik Nabers?
I want Harrison, Jr. This guy, at worst, is better than any WR currently on the Giants. At best, he is the reincarnation of Larry Fitzgerald. We should be so lucky as to get him!
My question with Nabors is... which came first the chicken or the egg? His college QB was my favorite QB in this draft, and if we assume one of them made the other look better than he is, the question is "which one did what?" Of course it's possible they're BOTH top ten first round guys, but I ask you... how rare would that be?
As for Odunze, he's a completely different type of WR from the other two, and the question then becomes whether he is a better fit for Daboll/Kafka? The good news is... if they pick him, it will be obvious he fits in. The other two guys (I am certain) do fit in. This guy is a Bill Parcells type of pick, IMO.
Bob
Rome Odunze or Malik Nabers?
I like both but lean towards Odunze. We haven't had a big physical starting receiver since Plaxico shot himself. Having said that I wouldn't be upset with Nabers either.
If we can protect the QB and if we have a QB who can make downfield and sideline throws my answer is Odunze. If we are stuck with quick hit dink and dunk inside the hash marks then it is Nabers.
In the scenario we are taking one of them Jones or a TT level QB2 will be at QB so even if our OL is better Nabers will likely offer the most next season. Beyond that I would hope we find a way to get functional QB play and then I prefer Odunze.
Pick your poison, they are both good.
Those two are both good, but I am not sure if they are worthy of such a high pick.
Also, considering that this is a deep draft at WR, I would rather we trade back for more picks. We have an O line to fix and our Pass rush also needs addressing.
There are a few great 2nd round values at WR like Ladd McConkey and Xavier Leggett. Other good ones in the third too.
Quote from: madbadger on February 22, 2024, 04:18:34 PMI like both but lean towards Odunze. We haven't had a big physical starting receiver since Plaxico shot himself. Having said that I wouldn't be upset with Nabers either.
Can't argue with this take. Pretty spot-on.
I guess the only small point I'd make is over the years I've heard a lot of complaining about how none of our receivers can separate to the point of getting wide open for Jones. Nabers can separate like crazy. Odunze definitely brings other elite level skills and attributes to the table and may indeed be the better pick, but if we're talking about ability to separate, Nabers is at the top of that list. That dude can seriously get open.
Unfortunately you never truly know for sure. Find me one person on this board who said Evan Neal would be a bust. He was seen to be as stone cold a lock as you could possibly have.
The truth is you never truly know.
I want a big very fast very physical WR with the maturity to challenge the other WRs to do everything better — better routes, better fakes, more film study, everything. Who is that prospect?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on February 22, 2024, 06:22:05 PMCan't argue with this take. Pretty spot-on.
I guess the only small point I'd make is over the years I've heard a lot of complaining about how none of our receivers can separate to the point of getting wide open for Jones. Nabers can separate like crazy. Odunze definitely brings other elite level skills and attributes to the table and may indeed be the better pick, but if we're talking about ability to separate, Nabers is at the top of that list. That dude can seriously get open.
Robinson and Hyatt have show the ability to separate and despite the fact Robinson was on the roster last year both were playing their first full season of professional football this year. Lots of room for growth between the two. If they don't go qb at six they need to add another weapon for Jones this year and whoever the quarterback is going to be the year after and beyond.
Here how I see it
#6 Malik Nabers
# 39 Kingsley Suamataia
# 47 Cooper Beebe
# 70 Blake Corum
# 108 Cade Stover
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on February 22, 2024, 06:42:00 PMUnfortunately you never truly know for sure. Find me one person on this board who said Evan Neal would be a bust. He was seen to be as stone cold a lock as you could possibly have.
The truth is you never truly know.
DB: I never advocated for Evan Neal (until after they picked him; hey, I'm nothing if not loyal lol). Bob
The OL is getting fixed in FA as Schoen is 0/3 on OL picks so far. Maybe one of them will turn it around but it is clear that this evaluation is not a strength of Giants scouts and front office. We might draft one OL if the new coach has a strong feel for someone but we are not multiple dipping IMO.
Choosing players with actual NFL tape in free agency is easier providing you don't over pay/rely too heavily on ageing guys. We will likely have to pay the "we suck" premium as Mighty noted elsewhere but so be it.
Rome odunze is the guy, he's a monster
DJ does a quick summary of the top 3 WRs:
Q. The question is about the Cardinals at number 4 and the receiver
situation. Obviously Marvin would be the guy if they're there. We think. If
he is not, are you sold that Rome or Malik is a value pick at 4, or would
you go with one of the tackles?
DANIEL JEREMIAH: I would take one of the wideouts, personally. I think if
you look purely off of grade and not positional value -- I tweeted this out the
other day -- I think you could make a case those three highest graded players
in this draft are the three receivers. They are outstanding. I think they're all
going to be No. 1 guys where they go.
You get different flavors. With Marvin you kind of get the big power forward
who has some really good quickness for a big guy and really tracks the ball
extremely well.
Odunze will be close to 220 pounds. I think you're going to see him run in the
low 4.4s, and he has unbelievable tracking skills to go up and get it and
combat catches, physical. If you are in Arizona and you see him, I think you'll
see similarities to Fitzgerald in terms of how he attacks the ball and goes and
gets it.
And then Nabers is a stick of dynamite. He is super, super explosive. Just get
the ball in his hands and let him go. I think there's more to him in terms of a
route runner. I think he'll get more opportunities to show that at the next level,
but he is ultra, ultra explosive.
To me I think you need some firepower if you are the Arizona Cardinals you
need some guys who can go get and make plays. I was pulling up their
numbers here. 26th in passing yards per game. 24th in points per game. Let's
get some firepower. I would love any of those three guys.
Q. You made a comment that Rome Odunze was your favorite player in
the draft. I've seen your breakdown on him, but could you elaborate a
little more on why you like him so much?
DANIEL JEREMIAH: Sure. I like big, fast, physical, smart, tough guys who
can go play above the rim and who have some route polish to them. As a
player I love what he has from a skill set standpoint. I think all of it translates.
I think when you look at big games I games in the NFL, especially going to the
postseason, I think some of that space disappears. You have to have guys
who can win with bodies around them. He can do that.
That's not to say he can't run. You'll see it when he gets to the combine, he
can run too. There's that side of it.
I love there's a bounce and an energy to him that I love. I love the fact that
even though you might have to coach some of this out of him, he hates
running out of bounds. You'll see the competitiveness in him. When he is on
the sideline, he tries to get everything he can get. He is a real, real
competitive football player.
Some of the stuff that I hear talking to sources and connections up there is
that the guy is incredibly bright. He is a great leader. He knows every spot on
the -- in the receiving room. He can play anywhere. He has been training with
Ricky Proehl, and Proehl said he is as smart of a receiver as he has ever
been around. Those things are great.
Even a little story from my buddy Brock up there, he told me that he is such a
good kid. They had an event where they had a fishing tournament fundraiser
thing that they did.
So he met this fishing captain. Never fished a day in his life. He goes out there
with this guy and has a good time and asked the fishing captain for his
number afterwards. The fishing captain didn't think anything of it. Whatever,
this guy is never going to call me.
Brock said that he ran into him months later, this fishing captain, and he said
that Rome Odunze and him go out fishing all the time, and he is the nicest guy
in the world, just a great dude. It's almost too good to be true with everything I
hear about this kid. I love the way that he plays.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 23, 2024, 09:13:36 AMQ. You made a comment that Rome Odunze was your favorite player in
the draft. I've seen your breakdown on him, but could you elaborate a
little more on why you like him so much?
DANIEL JEREMIAH: Sure. I like big, fast, physical, smart, tough guys who
can go play above the rim and who have some route polish to them. As a
player I love what he has from a skill set standpoint. I think all of it translates.
I think when you look at big games I games in the NFL, especially going to the
postseason, I think some of that space disappears. You have to have guys
who can win with bodies around them. He can do that.
That's not to say he can't run. You'll see it when he gets to the combine, he
can run too. There's that side of it.
I love there's a bounce and an energy to him that I love. I love the fact that
even though you might have to coach some of this out of him, he hates
running out of bounds. You'll see the competitiveness in him. When he is on
the sideline, he tries to get everything he can get. He is a real, real
competitive football player.
Some of the stuff that I hear talking to sources and connections up there is
that the guy is incredibly bright. He is a great leader. He knows every spot on
the -- in the receiving room. He can play anywhere. He has been training with
Ricky Proehl, and Proehl said he is as smart of a receiver as he has ever
been around. Those things are great.
Even a little story from my buddy Brock up there, he told me that he is such a
good kid. They had an event where they had a fishing tournament fundraiser
thing that they did.
So he met this fishing captain. Never fished a day in his life. He goes out there
with this guy and has a good time and asked the fishing captain for his
number afterwards. The fishing captain didn't think anything of it. Whatever,
this guy is never going to call me.
Brock said that he ran into him months later, this fishing captain, and he said
that Rome Odunze and him go out fishing all the time, and he is the nicest guy
in the world, just a great dude. It's almost too good to be true with everything I
hear about this kid. I love the way that he plays.
That was quite an informative post about his intangibles. Loved it. Thank you.
You just answered a question I posted earlier. If we go WR, I want someone who makes our other WRs better.
Odunze is the boundary version of AJ Brown in my opinion. Put AJ Browns skillset in DK Metcalf and you have Rome Odunze.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 23, 2024, 10:27:52 AMOdunze is the boundary version of AJ Brown in my opinion. Put AJ Browns skillset in DK Metcalf and you have Rome Odunze.
Size and speed at WR is a terrifying concept for a defense. I like Nabers a lot but LSU WR diva attitudes scare me.
Honestly it's this kind of thinking that has me avoid talking about the draft. You know who was a "really good" wide receiver? Odell Beckham Jr. Antics/behavior aside, this guy was on an absolutely meteoric pace his first few years in the league. He was destroying records held by Randy Moss and other Hall of Famers. And the Giants continued to lose. He made insane one-hand grabs despite being interfered with. And the Giants continued to lose. Well surely that must be the result of STILL not having enough "weapons"?!?!?! So 4 years later we go out and get Saquon Barkley instead of trading down and taking Quenton Nelson who has 4 All-Pros and 6 Pro Bowls to his name. And the year before that we also over-looked the line and went for Evan Engram.
But yes, please let's go get another wide receiver.
Quote from: zephirus on February 23, 2024, 10:53:54 AMHonestly it's this kind of thinking that has me avoid talking about the draft. You know who was a "really good" wide receiver? Odell Beckham Jr. Antics/behavior aside, this guy was on an absolutely meteoric pace his first few years in the league. He was destroying records held by Randy Moss and other Hall of Famers. And the Giants continued to lose. He made insane one-hand grabs despite being interfered with. And the Giants continued to lose. Well surely that must be the result of STILL not having enough "weapons"?!?!?! So 4 years later we go out and get Saquon Barkley instead of trading down and taking Quenton Nelson who has 4 All-Pros and 6 Pro Bowls to his name. And the year before that we also over-looked the line and went for Evan Engram.
But yes, please let's go get another wide receiver.
I have thought of this but we cant be hampered by the past. We need talent. What we really need is a great OL That drives everything.
We just need to get mature talent not immature divas.
While I am guessing about guessing where there is always enough uncertainty to make me want to change it before I make it, I would take Malik Nabers at 6 without reservation. That is, of course, unless the Giants foreclose the option by using the pick, one way or another, for a QB.
Yes, I know that last year the Giants added Biletnikoff-winner Jalin Hyatt and got a much smaller return than might have been expected, but that should have no effect whatever on this year's choice of Nabers. They are not comparable talents.
Not only was Nabers a unanimous All-American but now is the leading Receiver in LSU history which includes some of the best ever such as: Josh Reed, Michael Clayton, Justin Jefferson, Ja'marr Chase, Odell Beckham and others.
I like Odunze, but much like Marvin Harrison, who will be off-the-board, I see Malik Nabers as a real "game changer" And yes, they also must do whatever it takes to put a vastly improved Oline in front of whomever is at QB.
Cheers!
Quote from: zephirus on February 23, 2024, 10:53:54 AMHonestly it's this kind of thinking that has me avoid talking about the draft. You know who was a "really good" wide receiver? Odell Beckham Jr. Antics/behavior aside, this guy was on an absolutely meteoric pace his first few years in the league. He was destroying records held by Randy Moss and other Hall of Famers. And the Giants continued to lose. He made insane one-hand grabs despite being interfered with. And the Giants continued to lose. Well surely that must be the result of STILL not having enough "weapons"?!?!?! So 4 years later we go out and get Saquon Barkley instead of trading down and taking Quenton Nelson who has 4 All-Pros and 6 Pro Bowls to his name. And the year before that we also over-looked the line and went for Evan Engram.
But yes, please let's go get another wide receiver.
Your measuring stick for evaluating these high profile picks seems to be how much the team won since taking the player.
What have the Colts won with Quentin Nelson?
Those 3 are good WRs with NFL potential, but I think Ladd McConkey's game better suits the NFL and our team; more importantly, he could probably be taken near the end of the 1st of top of the 2nd. Targeting him allows us to add more players at other positions of need in this draft.
Quote from: londonblue on February 22, 2024, 04:23:46 PMIf we can protect the QB and if we have a QB who can make downfield and sideline throws my answer is Odunze. If we are stuck with quick hit dink and dunk inside the hash marks then it is Nabers.
In the scenario we are taking one of them Jones or a TT level QB2 will be at QB so even if our OL is better Nabers will likely offer the most next season. Beyond that I would hope we find a way to get functional QB play and then I prefer Odunze.
Pick your poison, they are both good.
london: Great answer. Considering it from the proactive (rather than reactive) point of view, I think the answer requires consideration of... which guy backs the defense farther off the line of scrimmage.
Our OL still stinks, so IMO the guy who threatens the defense deep is probably the better choice. But the long and short of it is... which guy fits the offense Daboll/Kafka are running? I don't think they'll change the over all approach to offense to fit one guy.
Bob
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Quote from: Bob In PA on February 24, 2024, 07:56:26 AMlondon: Great answer. Considering it from the proactive (rather than reactive) point of view, I think the answer requires consideration of... which guy backs the defense farther off the line of scrimmage.
Our OL still stinks, so IMO the guy who threatens the defense deep is probably the better choice. But the long and short of it is... which guy fits the offense Daboll/Kafka are running? I don't think they'll change the over all approach to offense to fit one guy.
Bob
If we go on the past, the Bills traded away Sammy watkins and obtained Stefan Diggs, so we know what type of #1 and #2s they like.
They like a big physical #1
They like burners at the #2 and backup boundary wr
And they like a Wes welker type small do it all guy in the slot
Also I know people are saying odunze is the tall monster who's super physical and can contested catch everything which he can but he's also faster than Nabers. Clocking a 4.34. Maybe Nabers runs faster at the combine but currently they only have him at 4.4. I just think odunze can do it all.
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🌟Top-10 Prospect🌟
Washington WR Rome Odunze is turning heads as a bonafide top 10 draft pick.
At 6'3", 215 lbs, Odunze combines size with athleticism, boasting an IGA Score ™ of 99.3, the highest among WRs in this class.
Odunze's final season stats are nothing short of spectacular:
- 1,677 total yards
- 14 touchdowns
- An impressive 17.7 yards per reception
His ability to run the full route tree, coupled with exceptional route running skills and reliable hands, positions him as a prototypical WR1.
Odunze's blend of speed, strength, and football IQ makes him one of the most sought-after talents in the draft.
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