I personally see Caleb going first, Daniels after, and if the Pats go MHJ we have an opportunity to trade up for Drake.
This thread is for the true francihse QB of the Giants, Daniels to me is too injury prone and Caleb is going first. All 3 have potential to be francihse QB's, and I'm setting the intention we will draft him.
If they can move up two slots to get their guy, they must. If not, and that guy turns out to be a game changer, they are toast. Much will happen between now and April. After the combine there will be changes.
He's a big play QB. Always keeping his eyes downfield. He has as close to a Josh Allen/Herbert arm as there is in this Draft Class. He didn't have elite weapons like Daniels or Penix did, but his competition wasn't the best out there. He can hit a Receiver with a small window of Separation, or hit levels with touch, and then miss a wide open Receiver with a WTF throw. He can escape pressure and senses it well and throw on the run with the best of them. His ceiling his high. However, if he was on the 2023 Giants, their inept Oline would have negated his skills, I imagine.
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 24, 2024, 07:40:32 AMHe's a big play QB. Always keeping his eyes downfield. He has as close to a Josh Allen/Herbert arm as there is in this Draft Class. He didn't have elite weapons like Daniels or Penix did, but his competition wasn't the best out there. He can hit a Receiver with a small window of Separation, or hit levels with touch, and then miss a wide open Receiver with a WTF throw. He can escape pressure and senses it well and throw on the run with the best of them. His ceiling his high. However, if he was on the 2023 Giants, their inept Oline would have negated his skills, I imagine.
Good wrap-up. What you have written is pretty much my impression as well. He does also seem to possess the intangibles you look for in this position: confidence and a lead from the front type of persona.
UNC lost a lot of games this year by putting the ball in his hands and depending on him too much...
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Drake Maye: Major Talent with Major Question Marks! | 2024 NFL Scouting Report
Overview
Challenging evaluation with top-flight measurables and tools but inconsistencies that create a lower floor. Maye's size and arm talent jump off the tape immediately. He can make every throw, but he will try to make throws that he shouldn't have attempted. The gunslinger mentality creates a fearlessness that can turn into interceptions, but it will also allow him to win in tight windows and make splash throws that get crowds (and evaluators) on their feet. He leaves too many throws on the back shoulder or hip and needs to learn when to take some sauce off the throw to make it more catchable. There is an undeniable energy to Maye's game that can create momentum or turn chaotic when plays come off-schedule for him. The combination of traits and tape make him a boom/bust prospect who might need patient management and coaching to help shepherd him toward his potential.
Strengths
Two years of starting experience and still very moldable.
Two-time team captain with prototypical size and frame.
Ball comes off his hand with tight spiral and good velocity.
Can expedite operation time and release when pressure closes in.
Unquestionable arm talent to connect from challenging angles.
Fearless passer with the guts and arm to whip the ball into tight windows.
Quick pocket climber with discipline to continue searching for targets.
Mobility to slide free of pocket traffic and toughness to go get needed yards.
Showed flashes of the clutch gene during his career.
Weaknesses
Struggles with the chess match against pressure looks.
Inefficient throwing motion creates inconsistencies in accuracy.
Receivers had to chase too many intermediate throws into the turf.
Leaves the ball behind crossing routes and RPO targets.
Can get uncomfortable when initial reads aren't clear and clean.
Sixteen career interceptions were mostly earned with poor decisions or throws.
Sources Tell Us
"He's big and mobile and can sling it around but he didn't play consistent football (in 2023). I thought his processing was a problem but it was hard to tell sometimes because of how his line played in front of him." - AFC personnel director
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/drake-maye/32004d41-5928-9639-2999-10019fb4c292
He had a 5 star Wr in Tez Walker, and several number 2s so he had weapons and the line.
His baffling loses to horrible teams are really perplexing.
The problem with Maye is that there's a better chance he's Sam howell 2.0 than Josh Allen 2.0.
Film Room: Drake Maye Vs Duke: All Passes
https://x.com/The33rdTeamFB/status/1761413173373202628?s=20
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 24, 2024, 07:40:32 AMHe's a big play QB. Always keeping his eyes downfield. He has as close to a Josh Allen/Herbert arm as there is in this Draft Class. He didn't have elite weapons like Daniels or Penix did, but his competition wasn't the best out there. He can hit a Receiver with a small window of Separation, or hit levels with touch, and then miss a wide open Receiver with a WTF throw. He can escape pressure and senses it well and throw on the run with the best of them. His ceiling his high. However, if he was on the 2023 Giants, their inept Oline would have negated his skills, I imagine.
I watch him play a few games. Good but not great in my opinion....not worth moving up on my opinion
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Maye needs more discipline in his mechanics and he can get that with the right QB and OC Coaches. Same as Josh Allen did. I see the concern is his ability to make reads. I didn't notice that but it's difficult to see in film.
https://pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-north-carolina-qb-drake-mayes-scouting-report?
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 25, 2024, 10:34:13 AMhttps://pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-north-carolina-qb-drake-mayes-scouting-report?
QuoteArm strength isn't all about how far one can throw the ball, as the velocity that they throw with is just as important.
These are the sort of comments that tell me some doesn't understand what are strength is. They use the term strength, but they mean velocity. The reality is a football is not heavy. To throw it far one needs to throw it at a high velocity, it's not about be strong enough to lift and throw it.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 25, 2024, 10:53:11 AMThese are the sort of comments that tell me some doesn't understand what are strength is. They use the term strength, but they mean velocity. The reality is a football is not heavy. To throw it far one needs to throw it at a high velocity, it's not about be strong enough to lift and throw it.
With a tight spiral. Maye can do that. McCarthy tends to air mail it and it dies off on very deep passes as I mentioned weeks ago.
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 25, 2024, 11:00:22 AMWith a tight spiral. Maye can do that. McCarthy tends to air mail it and it dies off on very deep passes as I mentioned weeks ago.
Maye has the strongest arm among the top quarterbacks, while McCarthy's is above average but not as strong as Maye's.
In terms of 20+ yard passing attempts, here is how the two breakdown
Maye - PFF passing 96.8 : QB rating 113.4
JJ - PFF passing 93.1 : QB rating 130.0
Quote from: katkavage on February 24, 2024, 07:16:29 AMIf they can move up two slots to get their guy, they must. If not, and that guy turns out to be a game changer, they are toast. Much will happen between now and April. After the combine there will be changes.
Sorry to disagree but moving up 2 slots and giving away draft capital ( two seconds this year , plus possibly a number 1 next year), does not make sense right now for this team. If we had no other serious holes then maybe but not the way we are situated now.
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 25, 2024, 11:00:22 AMWith a tight spiral. Maye can do that. McCarthy tends to air mail it and it dies off on very deep passes as I mentioned weeks ago.
I think the way people are describing it, it sounds like JJ has Chad Pennington's arm. I've seen all his throws. Super tight spiral and a very good arm. His balls do not float. Whoever thinks that has not seen him play. His problem in my opinion is that sometimes his deep throws are too much on a rope and not enough air to allow a WR to run under and adjust.
Quote from: Philosophers on February 25, 2024, 05:58:36 PMI think the way people are describing it, it sounds like JJ has Chad Pennington's arm. I've seen all his throws. Super tight spiral and a very good arm. His balls do not float. Whoever thinks that has not seen him play. His problem in my opinion is that sometimes his deep throws are too much on a rope and not enough air to allow a WR to run under and adjust.
You should take another look at those deep throws where the Receiver has to slow up to make the catch.
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 25, 2024, 06:00:23 PMYou should take another look at those deep throws where the Receiver has to slow up to make the catch.
Maybe it's just a bad throw, throwing into a strong wind, throwing while going backward due to pass rush, etc. anyone who thinks that want to offer the context exactly on that throw?
https://x.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1762165929952137267?s=20
Sam Howell 2.0
Also I genuinely thought Merril Hoge had passed, where has he been?
Analyzing North Carolina QB Drake Maye
Greg Cosell sees shades of Joe Burrow in North Carolina QB Drake Maye with his ease of his throwing motion.
Video at link
https://www.the33rdteam.com/qb-drake-maye-showing-shades-of-joe-burrow-with-a-stronger-arm/
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Just finished my Drake Maye review.
He's a more athletic Mason Rudolph with less arm Talent (and a lot less accuracy).
He has a lot of backyard football in his game but doesn't have the athletic upside that I think it requires to live in that world as often as he does.
He's super raw with his footwork and pocket presence. His ball placement needs serious improvement. Defensive recognition struggles a bit (but I don't know what he's being coached to do so it can't be all on him).
However - dude will stand in there and take a hit while delivering across the middle. He's a 3rd down threat as a runner which is a checked box in the NFL.
All in all, I see the potential upside, but he's got a ways to go to reach it. He also needs to be in a good situation with a good coach & probably a quarterback in front of him to mentor him to get him caught up to speed.
Ideally - he ends up in a Jordan Love situation. Sits for a few years, cleans his game up learns behind-the-scenes then gets his chance.
If he goes to a bad team early in round 1 and is forced to play.. that may be all she wrote.
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Just keep in mind the longest driver contest golfers never win on the PGA. It's about putting it all together. Same with a QB throwing a pass.
Heard Maye has the same trainer as DJ and is working with Eli Manning for anyone interested.
https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1762462413205459181?s=20
https://x.com/JoshNorris/status/1762478160099090785?s=20
This wide range of opinion is why I keep saying none of these guys are worth trading up for. It's an absolute crapshoot with any draft class, and seemingly even more so with this one, in particular.
Stand pat and see who falls.
I'd take this guy in a heartbeat. Just the fact he can look off a safety is better than what we have now.
We did pretty good the last time we picked a guy from NC in round 1.
Drake Maye Sucks! =))
https://youtu.be/KJwUoqclt7E?si=L4S1ujfU4EQnWRWm
Actually in his rant, he makes a good point about who he won and lost against. And by the way, he trashed JJ, DJ and Mitch.