Big Blue Huddle

Following the combine multiple sources have come out and said the Giants were done with Jones.

https://youtu.be/8I3Y62CMNzU?si=y731UvMnWG0TIS9A

I was listening to a recent Mike Lombardi podcast.  He is still well-connected in the league and has multiple sources within the Giants (he is friends with Daboll, as an example).

He is convinced that the Giants are planning to move forward with Daniel Jones.

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 05, 2024, 08:56:59 AMI was listening to a recent Mike Lombardi podcast.  He is still well-connected in the league and has multiple sources within the Giants (he is friends with Daboll, as an example).

He is convinced that the Giants are planning to move forward with Daniel Jones.

I am too. Next year but they have no choice. They are locked into moving forward with a hobbled Daniel Jones in 2024. That shouldn't change the need for a QB of the future. How much forward they will move with Daniel Jones is the real question.

Quote from: katkavage on March 05, 2024, 09:23:41 AMI am too. Next year but they have no choice. They are locked into moving forward with a hobbled Daniel Jones in 2024. That shouldn't change the need for a QB of the future. How much forward they will move with Daniel Jones is the real question.

What does moving forward mean... it's open to interpretation.

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 05, 2024, 09:26:40 AMWhat does moving forward mean... it's open to interpretation.

Exactly.  Moving forward for one year is certainly different from moving forward beyond that as well.

I think he starts next season.  Whether he finishes it or not is another question.  His injuries at this stage of his career have to also be taken into account.

Oh good...another DJ thread and Holy Cow...a rumor  :what:

Nothing that is said, written, implied, inferred, hinted at, speculated, guessed, "insider knowledge", etc., has anything whatsoever to do with reality prior to the draft 

Talking heads need viewers, and beat writers need hits to keep their jobs. They gotta get people worked up in order to get those viewers and hits. Apparently it's working, and working well

I will add this, most people were convinced the Giants were out on Thibs.  Joe Schoen can blow smoke with the best of them.

The more I study, the more I am convinced that the team drafting a QB is as important as the QB when it comes to the ultimate success of the QB prospect. 


If the Giants don't draft a QB this year, they could go a long way toward building the infrastructure needed to successfully develop a QB. 

If the Giants draft a QB this year, and especially if they need to spend extra capital to secure them, the development infrastructure will be subpar.


The real challenge is that next year's QB draft class is not expected to be very good.


Essentially, the team is not in a great situation, thanks to DeVito-mania (really the three wins that created it)

Quote from: Philosophers on March 05, 2024, 09:28:54 AMExactly.  Moving forward for one year is certainly different from moving forward beyond that as well.

I think he starts next season.  Whether he finishes it or not is another question.  His injuries at this stage of his career have to also be taken into account.

Exactly that. Jones will be on the roster come September and the likely starter if ready.

After that is anyone's guess.

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 05, 2024, 09:47:01 AMI will add this, most people were convinced the Giants were out on Thibs.  Joe Schoen can blow smoke with the best of them.

The more I study, the more I am convinced that the team drafting a QB is as important as the QB when it comes to the ultimate success of the QB prospect. 


If the Giants don't draft a QB this year, they could go a long way toward building the infrastructure needed to successfully develop a QB. 

If the Giants draft a QB this year, and especially if they need to spend extra capital to secure them, the development infrastructure will be subpar.


The real challenge is that next year's QB draft class is not expected to be very good.


Essentially the team is not the in a great situation, thanks to DeVito Ania (really the three wins that created it)

Precisely right, lively golden, crystally clear...sorry, I don't know why I thought of Ballantine Beer, but you nailed it, Rich. Spot on.

Cheers!

Quote from: Painter on March 05, 2024, 10:13:06 AMPrecisely right, lively golden, crystally clear...sorry, I don't know why I thought of Ballantine Beer, but you nailed it, Rich. Spot on.

Cheers!

LOL  =))

The only thing I can say about Ballantine beer, is that it was better than Carling Black Label  :sick:
I had forgotten about the beers of my youth 

Quote from: Painter on March 05, 2024, 10:13:06 AMPrecisely right, lively golden, crystally clear...sorry, I don't know why I thought of Ballantine Beer, but you nailed it, Rich. Spot on.

Cheers!

Perhaps you're just dreaming of three more rings, @Painter  ;)

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 05, 2024, 10:19:32 AMLOL  =))

The only thing I can say about Ballantine beer, is that it was better than Carling Black Label  :sick:
I had forgotten about the beers of my youth 

And Rolling Rock, but on par with Schlitz.

Could be a smokescreen to get another team to trade up and snag a qb. i still see most mocks saying we are taking a receiver whether it be nabers or odunze. i see jj going late 1st round... wouldnt be opposed to trading back up for him. but we need instant playmaker at 6. not a guy who's going to sit most or all of this year and who's position has a very high failure rate. we need to absolutely smash this pick.

Quote from: Sem on March 05, 2024, 10:19:38 AMPerhaps you're just dreaming of three more rings, @Painter  ;)

Right now, I'd have a hard time dreaming of even one (more) ring. But if they have the equivalent of one of Mel's "Ballantine Blasts" in FA and the Draft, it would be a good way to start.

Cheers!

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 05, 2024, 10:33:33 AMAnd Rolling Rock, but on par with Schlitz.

There used to be a sports bar in Binghamton that had Tuesday Night specials: 1.00 for Rolling Rock "ponies" and "nickel wings"...my only experience with RR...not terrible...better than Genny, IMO (not saying much)

Schlitz is actually a great beer, and you can still get it at specialty beer houses. Tastes a lot like Yuengling. Utica Club is coming back in style in my area which is also a good beer...again, IMO

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 05, 2024, 10:40:56 AMThere used to be a sports bar in Binghamton that had Tuesday Night specials: 1.00 for Rolling Rock "ponies" and "nickel wings"...my only experience with RR...not terrible...better than Genny, IMO (not saying much)

Schlitz is actually a great beer, and you can still get it at specialty beer houses. Tastes a lot like Yuengling. Utica Club is coming back in style in my area which is also a good beer...again, IMO

Or Rheingold.
 My beer is Rheingold the dry beer.
Think of Rheingold whenever you buy beer.
It's not bitter, not sweet, it's the extra dry treat
Won't you try extra dry Rheingold beer?

They aren't going to stay with Jones past this year. In his short time in the NFL he has suffered multiple concussions, a broken collarbone, multiple sprained ankles, two significant neck injuries, one that resulted in surgery and a torn ACL. There is no way they want to move forward with a guy who can't make it through a full season without suffering a serious injury. His contract ensures he'll be on the roster this year but he was given his golden parachute by Mara and the writing is on the wall.

Quote from: madbadger on March 05, 2024, 11:01:51 AMThey aren't going to stay with Jones past this year. In his short time in the NFL he has suffered multiple concussions, a broken collarbone, multiple sprained ankles, two significant neck injuries, one that resulted in surgery and a torn ACL. There is no way they want to move forward with a guy who can't make it through a full season without suffering a serious injury. His contract ensures he'll be on the roster this year but he was given his golden parachute by Mara and the writing is on the wall.

Sounds like you are describing the results of a pitiful offensive line

Quote from: madbadger on March 05, 2024, 11:01:51 AMThey aren't going to stay with Jones past this year. In his short time in the NFL he has suffered multiple concussions, a broken collarbone, multiple sprained ankles, two significant neck injuries, one that resulted in surgery and a torn ACL. There is no way they want to move forward with a guy who can't make it through a full season without suffering a serious injury. His contract ensures he'll be on the roster this year but he was given his golden parachute by Mara and the writing is on the wall.

And that doesn't consider his "performance" on the field.

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 05, 2024, 10:40:56 AMThere used to be a sports bar in Binghamton that had Tuesday Night specials: 1.00 for Rolling Rock "ponies" and "nickel wings"...my only experience with RR...not terrible...better than Genny, IMO (not saying much)

Schlitz is actually a great beer, and you can still get it at specialty beer houses. Tastes a lot like Yuengling. Utica Club is coming back in style in my area which is also a good beer...again, IMO

My favorite summertime beer in Monticello, NY circa mid-late 70's was Genesee Cream Ale in the green can. Now I'm an IPA guy(Heady Topper, by The Alchemist). My son is a student at Binghamton, he talks about Thirsty Thursdays. They were done with Jones when the Surface was tossed. 

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 05, 2024, 10:40:56 AMThere used to be a sports bar in Binghamton that had Tuesday Night specials: 1.00 for Rolling Rock "ponies" and "nickel wings"...my only experience with RR...not terrible...better than Genny, IMO (not saying much)

Schlitz is actually a great beer, and you can still get it at specialty beer houses. Tastes a lot like Yuengling. Utica Club is coming back in style in my area which is also a good beer...again, IMO

I have lots to say about this, but I shall bite my tongue so as to not derail this thread further.  :cheers:

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 05, 2024, 10:53:36 AMOr Rheingold.
 My beer is Rheingold the dry beer.
Think of Rheingold whenever you buy beer.
It's not bitter, not sweet, it's the extra dry treat
Won't you try extra dry Rheingold beer?

Bert and Harry would have a lot to say about that. Piels Beer was their fav.

And let's not forget the beer of my beloved Brooklyn Bums.  Shaeffer Beer. I was too young to engage in them before they left. And seems the beer went with them.

Quote from: LennG on March 05, 2024, 11:40:41 AMBert and Harry would have a lot to say about that. Pixels Beer was their fav.

And let's not forget the beer of my beloved Brooklyn Bums.  Shaeffer Beer. I was too young to engage in them before they left. And seems the beer went with them.

Shaeffer is the one beer to have when you're having more than one.....

Quote from: Sem on March 05, 2024, 11:15:15 AMI have lots to say about this, but I shall bite my tongue so as to not derail this thread further.  :cheers:

Please derail. Any discussion about Jones needs to have a drinking element attached. Drink enough and maybe we can think his first name is Bert and not Daniel.  <:-P  ;)

Quote from: files58 on March 05, 2024, 11:06:13 AMMy favorite summertime beer in Monticello, NY circa mid-late 70's was Genesee Cream Ale in the green can. Now I'm an IPA guy(Heady Topper, by The Alchemist). My son is a student at Binghamton, he talks about Thirsty Thursdays. They were done with Jones when the Surface was tossed. 

You're right...anytime a new DJ thread starts, we should talk about beer...  =))

Genny Cream Ale wasn't bad compared to their regular beer...their 12 Horse Ale was better IMO, but I don't drink Genny

Yuengling is so popular in Pennsylvania and southern Upstate New York, that most people just ask for a "lager" and the bartender knows they want Yuengling

Utica Club is good, as I mentioned before...hard to find sometimes. I loved their old slogan back in the 60's: "We drink all we can, the rest we sell". Little known fact, Utica, NY had more beer companies than any other place in the U.S. up to the point of prohibition. And when prohibition ended in 1933, Utica Club was the first legal beer sold in the United States. Utica was known as the beer brewing capital of the world at one time with nearly 50 different companies. UC almost went extinct in the 80's and 90's after the name was changed to Matt Brewing Company by FX Matt, who concentrated primarily on designer beers under the name of Saranac. But after an advertising campaign, their standard beer (and cash cow) is regular UC, and has had an amazing comeback. Another tidbit of useless knowledge about Utica Club is, Comedian Jonathan Winters got his start in show biz as the voices of Schultz and Dooley, as well as other character steins for UC

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 05, 2024, 12:41:01 PMYou're right...anytime a new DJ thread starts, we should talk about beer...  =))

Genny Cream Ale wasn't bad compared to their regular beer...their 12 Horse Ale was better IMO, but I don't drink Genny

Yuengling is so popular in Pennsylvania and southern Upstate New York, that most people just ask for a "lager" and the bartender knows they want Yuengling

Utica Club is good, as I mentioned before...hard to find sometimes. I loved their old slogan back in the 60's: "We drink all we can, the rest we sell". Little known fact, Utica, NY had more beer companies than any other place in the U.S. up to the point of prohibition. And when prohibition ended in 1933, Utica Club was the first legal beer sold in the United States. Utica was known as the beer brewing capital of the world at one time with nearly 50 different companies. UC almost went extinct in the 80's and 90's after the name was changed to Matt Brewing Company by FX Matt, who concentrated primarily on designer beers under the name of Saranac. But after an advertising campaign, their standard beer (and cash cow) is regular UC, and has had an amazing comeback. Another tidbit of useless knowledge about Utica Club is, Comedian Jonathan Winters got his start in show biz as the voices of Schultz and Dooley, as well as other character steins for UC

There are a couple of good Brewing companies in Cooperstown. I gave up beer years ago but I liked their brew.
https://www.cooperstownbrewing.com/
https://www.ommegang.com/

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 05, 2024, 12:46:58 PMThere are a couple of good Brewing companies in Cooperstown. I gave up beer years ago but I liked their brew.
https://www.cooperstownbrewing.com/
https://www.ommegang.com/

Never had the cooperstown beer, but have had my share of Oomegang. I like some of them, but not all of them. Not a beer I'd drink everyday. But I do love the area around that crystal clear, pristine Otsego Lake...stunningly beautiful area. I love their golf course in Cooperstown, but my balls have a homing device that seeks water...so there's that  :(

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Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 05, 2024, 01:03:51 PMNever had the cooperstown beer, but have had my share of Oomegang. I like some of them, but not all of them. Not a beer I'd drink everyday. But I do love the area around that crystal clear, pristine Otsego Lake...stunningly beautiful area. I love their golf course in Cooperstown, but my balls have a homing device that seeks water...so there's that  :(

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My favorite place was the porch of the Otesaga Hotel at Sunset with a Cuban cigar and a nice Brandy overlooking the lake.

Sounds like a perfect evening Ed. The Otesaga Hotel is great...and sitting on the front porch overlooking the golf course, you can watch people hit $3.00 balls into water all day. Of course, at sunset there's not as many golfers. They probably wouldn't let you smoke a cigar there anymore  :(

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I have mental golf issues when it comes to water. No matter what I try, I can't put the water out of my head and my ball can find the smallest pond or creek on the course. My golf club and ball is better than a divining rod for finding water. Cooperstown's golf course is built around and on water...note the tee box (that would eat up every ball in my bag). The whole course was built to discourage golfers like me to quit the game

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I used to go to Cooperstown a lot for genealogical research. One time I was there and I wasn't aware it was Hall of Fame induction week. While looking for a restaurant on main street, I ran into Yogi Berra and Mickey Mantle signing autographs for a slew of kids. Stupid me, I was too proud to step into one of the many souvenir shops to buy an old ball and stand in line with all the kids  :(  Huge mistake on my part. Damn pride!!!  ~X(

I am willing to add quality young players then reach for a qb. Yes, the challenge is maybe next year's qb class might not be great (we'll see) but adding a star wr and using our picks to address other areas of need is my prescription.

And Jones has a much better chance to finish his lame duck season.

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 05, 2024, 12:46:58 PMThere are a couple of good Brewing companies in Cooperstown. I gave up beer years ago but I liked their brew.
https://www.cooperstownbrewing.com/
https://www.ommegang.com/

Schultz and Dooley glassware are in regular rotation at my house. Just took this pic after seeing your post, Ric.

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Quote from: files58 on March 05, 2024, 11:45:19 AMShaeffer is the one beer to have when you're having more than one.....

You got that right

Since it's officially derailed....I'm a huge fan of Genesee Cream Ale, have been since my college days. It was likely a contributing factor as to why I dropped out. Genny Cream is the best cream ale I've ever drank, I'd love to try brewing it some day. I'm actually wearing a Genesee Brewery t-shirt right now. Last time I was in NY, in 2022, I drank some cream ale and also stocked up, bringing some back to California with me. Reminded me of the old days. In brewing circles it's rumored that Genesee ferments it with lager yeast, so, if true, I guess it's not technically an ale.

Early on, in my teens, I didn't especially like beer but just drank it because all my friends did. But I soon warmed up to the taste and Schlitz became my first favorite, drinking it in the early to mid 70's. Then they changed the recipe and it went to hell. I've recently read that whoever owns the label now is brewing it to the original recipe, or close to it, and it's supposedly tasting good again. I can't get it out here or I'd try it for myself.

Ric mentioned $1 beer night. Back in the mid-late 70's I remember 50 cent bottles of Molson Golden every Wednesday at The Other Place, (aka The O.P.), right across Bunn Hill Rd. from SUNY Binghamton. Never missed it. They also had bands occasionally, and I once saw The Talking Heads play there around the time their debut album was released.

Lastly, I'm a big fan of Ommegang. They brew some very good Belgian style beers. They're hugely sought after in the trading circles in areas where distribution doesn't reach. When I was living in NY, and working in Field Service at IBM, I had The Baseball HoF as one of my customers. Of course that was cool. I'd always tried to time my visits there for mid afternoon. Then after that I'd stop off at Ommegang to grab some beers to bring home. This was before they ramped up production and their beers became easier to get. Plus they used to have a release or two that was only available at the brewery.
The good old days.....

Talkin beers?

Head to the mountains..Busch.

Coors..The Banquet Beer.

Piels..a real good drinkin
beer..

Miller..The Champaign of Beers

I forget Rheingold and Stroh's . Genny Cream too Redfaced

My tastes have evolved with beer to the point I cannot drink any of these water downed mass produced lagers anymore. I call them college beers of the past. Give me Barrell aged Baltic Porters, Milk Stouts and NEIPAs. There is so much great craft beer in the USA now. Please tell me I am not the only one who visits Tree House who are arguably the most successful craft/independent/destination brewery the USA. 

https://www.google.com/search?q=rheingold+beer+jingle&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS925US925&oq=rheingold&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgFEAAYgAQyDQgAEAAY4wIYsQMYgAQyDQgBEC4Y1AIYsQMYgAQyDQgCEAAYgwEYsQMYgAQyEAgDEC4YrwEYxwEYgAQYjgUyEAgEEC4YrwEYxwEYgAQYjgUyBwgFEAAYgAQyBwgGEAAYgAQyBwgHEAAYgAQyBwgIEAAYgAQyBwgJEAAYgATSAQg2MDI4ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:122744ac,vid:f_51RANXHg0,st:0

So help me out here, something extra dry is supposed to quench a thirst.

Quote from: files58 on March 05, 2024, 11:06:13 AMMy favorite summertime beer in Monticello, NY circa mid-late 70's was Genesee Cream Ale in the green can. Now I'm an IPA guy(Heady Topper, by The Alchemist). My son is a student at Binghamton, he talks about Thirsty Thursdays. They were done with Jones when the Surface was tossed. 

I'm thinking it must be a pretty different place with an age 21 drinking age then my day when it was 18, the Pub was downstairs in the Student Union and the OP was across the street.  Some places I remember are Kelly's Bar with decent pizza and $2 pitchers of Bud or Schlitz, Lee's subs (first subs I ever had), Pancho's Pit. And a steak place across Vestal Parkway that put discount coupons in the school newspaper for a steak dinner for something like 3 buck that included unlimited salad and bread bar and beer.  First place I ever worshipped at the porcelain god Ralph.

Good times.  Class of '77.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on March 05, 2024, 02:49:39 PMI'm thinking it must be a pretty different place with an age 21 drinking age then my day when it was 18, the Pub was downstairs in the Student Union and the OP was across the street.  Some places I remember are Kelly's Bar with decent pizza and $2 pitchers of Bud or Schlitz, Lee's subs (first subs I ever had), Pancho's Pit. And a steak place across Vestal Parkway that put discount coupons in the school newspaper for a steak dinner for something like 3 buck that included unlimited salad and bread bar and beer.  First place I ever worshipped at the porcelain god Ralph.

Good times.  Class of '77.

So my son(home on Spring break) just mentioned The Pub is now a bowling alley, and there is a bar Tom and Marty's that's been around since the 40's. About the drinking age thing. About a week after beginning his Frosh year I asked him so when are you getting your fake ID. He replied in about 10 days. It's now a dry(cough,cough) campus.

Quote from: Sem on March 05, 2024, 02:27:17 PMSince it's officially derailed....I'm a huge fan of Genesee Cream Ale, have been since my college days. It was likely a contributing factor as to why I dropped out. Genny Cream is the best cream ale I've ever drank, I'd love to try brewing it some day. I'm actually wearing a Genesee Brewery t-shirt right now. Last time I was in NY, in 2022, I drank some cream ale and also stocked up, bringing some back to California with me. Reminded me of the old days. In brewing circles it's rumored that Genesee ferments it with lager yeast, so, if true, I guess it's not technically an ale.

Early on, in my teens, I didn't especially like beer but just drank it because all my friends did. But I soon warmed up to the taste and Schlitz became my first favorite, drinking it in the early to mid 70's. Then they changed the recipe and it went to hell. I've recently read that whoever owns the label now is brewing it to the original recipe, or close to it, and it's supposedly tasting good again. I can't get it out here or I'd try it for myself.

Ric mentioned $1 beer night. Back in the mid-late 70's I remember 50 cent bottles of Molson Golden every Wednesday at The Other Place, (aka The O.P.), right across Bunn Hill Rd. from SUNY Binghamton. Never missed it. They also had bands occasionally, and I once saw The Talking Heads play there around the time their debut album was released.

Lastly, I'm a big fan of Ommegang. They brew some very good Belgian style beers. They're hugely sought after in the trading circles in areas where distribution doesn't reach. When I was living in NY, and working in Field Service at IBM, I had The Baseball HoF as one of my customers. Of course that was cool. I'd always tried to time my visits there for mid afternoon. Then after that I'd stop off at Ommegang to grab some beers to bring home. This was before they ramped up production and their beers became easier to get. Plus they used to have a release or two that was only available at the brewery.
The good old days.....

Yeah...a lot of taverns, pubs, and nightclubs have a short shelf life. I don't know if you ever got over to the North 40 in Ithaca, but that was a fun place to go like the OP. They brought in big name bands back in the 60's and early 70's...I remember seeing Tommy James and the Shondells there, playing as if they were a local band at a local watering hole. The place burned down, but was rebuilt and changed into "Lakewatch Inn", a wedding venue without the electric checkerboard dance floor. Place was crazy fun

The Esprit/Eclipse (locally known as the clit because of the abundance of women) in Binghamton was also a place where crazy stuff went down...but it's gone. As is Flashbacks with the lighted checkerboard dance floor and music from the 60s-80's. Also gone, The Blue Moon on Old Vestal Road, West Side Cheers, Edigans, Shenanigans, even the Number 5, and Country Bobs no longer exist. Party on the Patio every Saturday night was a blast...it's gone. Such is the life of taverns and bars. Some are still around, like Rathskellers (we always called the "Rat Cellar"), an underground nightclub beside the Grand Royale Hotel on State Street. But it's no longer packed like the old days...the fun days no longer exist in this town

The North 40
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Quote from: madbadger on March 05, 2024, 11:01:51 AMThey aren't going to stay with Jones past this year. In his short time in the NFL he has suffered multiple concussions, a broken collarbone, multiple sprained ankles, two significant neck injuries, one that resulted in surgery and a torn ACL. There is no way they want to move forward with a guy who can't make it through a full season without suffering a serious injury. His contract ensures he'll be on the roster this year but he was given his golden parachute by Mara and the writing is on the wall.

i think them being "done" with him, has more to do with what you just mentioned than anything else.

Quote from: LennG on March 05, 2024, 02:20:49 PMYou got that right

I remember the words to that song and I don't even know why. Stored somewhere in the back of my head I guess

the hard day at work and getting home as the wife fetches a beer reminds me of a funny cartoon from a few years back

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I Think Schoen is probably creating interest for trades with those who are interested in trading up for a QB.

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 05, 2024, 10:53:36 AMOr Rheingold.
 My beer is Rheingold the dry beer.
Think of Rheingold whenever you buy beer.
It's not bitter, not sweet, it's the extra dry treat
Won't you try extra dry Rheingold beer?

And who can forget the Miss Rheingold contests?  I remember ogling the ads on the subway every day on my way to high school in the Bronx

Quote from: GloryDays on March 05, 2024, 05:01:26 PMI Think Schoen is probably creating interest for trades with those who are interested in trading up for a QB.

If the Giants want a QB, they'll have to trade up themselves to get one.  Picking 6 is a terrible position for any team needing a QB.  Who in their right mind is going to trade up to 6 to miss out on drafting one of the four top guys? 

Rich Eisen is also reporting the Giants are done with DJ:  https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/03/05/giants-absolutely-done-qb-daniel-jones-rich-eisen

Quote from: kingm56 on March 05, 2024, 05:17:10 PMIf the Giants want a QB, they'll have to trade up themselves to get one.  Picking 6 is a terrible position for any team needing a QB.  Who in their right mind is going to trade up to 6 to miss out on drafting one of the four top guys? 

Rich Eisen is also reporting the Giants are done with DJ:  https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/03/05/giants-absolutely-done-qb-daniel-jones-rich-eisen

Rich Eisen doesn't really have a track record as an insider, he does not break stories.


That said, it wouldn't surprise me one way or the other in terms of acquiring a new QB.

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 05, 2024, 05:29:24 PMRich Eisen doesn't really have a track record as an insider, he does not break stories.


That said, it wouldn't surprise me one way or the other in terms of acquiring a new QB.

I don't believe any reports this time of year; however, Rich Eisen isn't a Colleen Cowart type who makes statements just to garner attention.  His content is typically fairly measured.  I believe if the draft presents an opportunity, the Giants will select a QB; however, I completely disagree this is some type of ploy to illicit a trade from a QB desperate team, as picking 6 will not afford said team an opportunity to do so.  It's a terrible position to be in, if you need a QB.

Quote from: TDToomer on March 05, 2024, 02:34:48 PMMy tastes have evolved with beer to the point I cannot drink any of these water downed mass produced lagers anymore. I call them college beers of the past. Give me Barrell aged Baltic Porters, Milk Stouts and NEIPAs. There is so much great craft beer in the USA now. Please tell me I am not the only one who visits Tree House who are arguably the most successful craft/independent/destination brewery the USA. 

@TDToomer I would agree, most of the mass produced lagers and pilsners in the US are pretty poor. The difference between the more common American lagers/pilsners vs. a Czech pilsner or German lager are like night and day. Luckily for us there are some US brewers who are knowledgeable and dedicated enough in their craft to brew them the right way.

I have a garage fridge full of beer, and the style I have the most of is bourbon barrel aged stouts, most between 10-15%abv, with some brewed 10 years ago or more. I'm also a homebrewer, and currently have 5 beers kegged and drinking - A Milk Stout with coconut, a Scottish Ale, an Irish Red Ale, an American Pale Ale hopped with homegrown hops, and a British Style Best Bitter. Additionally I have a ~10% Imperial Stout currently fermenting that I'll "cellar" until fall/winter time.

I also enjoy a well made neipa, although there are an awful lot out there that aren't made well. Tree House Brewing is certainly among the best when it comes to neipa's. I've never been to the brewery, but I have had quite a few of their beers. Top notch.

Speaking of neipa's, they are a very challenging beer to make, even for professional brewers, but especially so with my setup. I'm planning on using what I've learned over the past year or so and brew one later this spring. I'm hoping for the best.

Here's a picture of a neipa I brewed back in 2020. Certainly not in the same league as Tree House or other top examples, but it was still as good or better than some of the commercial neipa's I've had. I used copious amounts of Citra, Mosaic, El Dorado, and Strata hops in it. 

(https://i.postimg.cc/xdYKYB35/122586752-815367775883534-1924877755020208515-n.jpg)

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 05, 2024, 03:31:37 PMYeah...a lot of taverns, pubs, and nightclubs have a short shelf life. I don't know if you ever got over to the North 40 in Ithaca, but that was a fun place to go like the OP. They brought in big name bands back in the 60's and early 70's...I remember seeing Tommy James and the Shondells there, playing as if they were a local band at a local watering hole. The place burned down, but was rebuilt and changed into "Lakewatch Inn", a wedding venue without the electric checkerboard dance floor. Place was crazy fun

The Esprit/Eclipse (locally known as the clit because of the abundance of women) in Binghamton was also a place where crazy stuff went down...but it's gone. As is Flashbacks with the lighted checkerboard dance floor and music from the 60s-80's. Also gone, The Blue Moon on Old Vestal Road, West Side Cheers, Edigans, Shenanigans, even the Number 5, and Country Bobs no longer exist. Party on the Patio every Saturday night was a blast...it's gone. Such is the life of taverns and bars. Some are still around, like Rathskellers (we always called the "Rat Cellar"), an underground nightclub beside the Grand Royale Hotel on State Street. But it's no longer packed like the old days...the fun days no longer exist in this town

Wow, I remember a lot of those bars you mentioned, Ric. Not surprised they're all gone now. I was probably in all or most of them, at least once or twice. But I didn't hang out at bars around the Binghamton area too much for the most part, as I lived on the west end of Broome County. Although back in those days I was heavily into the city softball leagues and we would usually stop in at the closest bar following a game or tournament for a beer or two, but then head closer to home for a majority of our post game celebrations.;) The one bar I do remember spending some time in was The Little Jewel, just south of Binghamton on Rt.7 But mostly because I was able to get served there as early as age 17, and also because they always had Bob Seger's Live Bullet album playing on their sound system. It was my first introduction to that classic album.

Thrilled to see that beer has hijacked this thread.  I went to Syracuse from 1969-1973.

While I'm a wine drinker now, back then I was a big Genny Cream fan.  Utica Club was regarded, um, unfavorably.  Think my personal fave back then was Molsons.  You know, b/c Canada was close.

Anyway, I (vaguely) remember that Utica Club rolled out a malt liquor product called Maximus at some big event on campus.  Next day, half the campus was hung over.  The other half was sick.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on March 05, 2024, 02:49:39 PMI'm thinking it must be a pretty different place with an age 21 drinking age then my day when it was 18, the Pub was downstairs in the Student Union and the OP was across the street.  Some places I remember are Kelly's Bar with decent pizza and $2 pitchers of Bud or Schlitz, Lee's subs (first subs I ever had), Pancho's Pit. And a steak place across Vestal Parkway that put discount coupons in the school newspaper for a steak dinner for something like 3 buck that included unlimited salad and bread bar and beer.  First place I ever worshipped at the porcelain god Ralph.

Good times.  Class of '77.

Missed this post earlier. We have a lot of common memories, but I don't remember a sub shop called Lee's. Where was that? Somewhere in the back regions of my memory it seems like you and I may have had this discussion before regarding sub shops, though I could be wrong about that. But Pancho's Pit? - OH YEAH!! One on Riverside Drive in Johnson City, and one on Main St. in Endicott. Their lamb spiedies were quite a treat late, after a night of drinking.

*That steak place, across from SUNY B, I'm thinking that was probably The Vestal Steakhouse, with the big 10ft steer in front?

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 05, 2024, 10:33:33 AMAnd Rolling Rock, but on par with Schlitz.

Ed: Careful there.

No household in PA would be caught dead w/out Rolling Rock (and Yuengling) on hand.

If we go for a visit and the host says, "I've got [insert name of an imported beer here]" on hand, that means he has Yuengling, Rolling Rock and [whatever beer he named]. The word "imported" means beer from anywhere outside of Pennsylvania. lol

Bob

PS. Same goes for scrapple. If you don't know what that is, look it up.

Quote from: Sem on March 05, 2024, 05:53:29 PM@TDToomer I would agree, most of the mass produced lagers and pilsners in the US are pretty poor. The difference between the more common American lagers/pilsners vs. a Czech pilsner or German lager are like night and day. Luckily for us there are some US brewers who are knowledgeable and dedicated enough in their craft to brew them the right way.

I have a garage fridge full of beer, and the style I have the most of is bourbon barrel aged stouts, most between 10-15%abv, with some brewed 10 years ago or more. I'm also a homebrewer, and currently have 5 beers kegged and drinking - A Milk Stout with coconut, a Scottish Ale, an Irish Red Ale, an American Pale Ale hopped with homegrown hops, and a British Style Best Bitter. Additionally I have a ~10% Imperial Stout currently fermenting that I'll "cellar" until fall/winter time.

I also enjoy a well made neipa, although there are an awful lot out there that aren't made well. Tree House Brewing is certainly among the best when it comes to neipa's. I've never been to the brewery, but I have had quite a few of their beers. Top notch.

Speaking of neipa's, they are a very challenging beer to make, even for professional brewers, but especially so with my setup. I'm planning on using what I've learned over the past year or so and brew one later this spring. I'm hoping for the best.

Here's a picture of a neipa I brewed back in 2020. Certainly not in the same league as Tree House or other top examples, but it was still as good or better than some of the commercial neipa's I've had. I used copious amounts of Citra, Mosaic, El Dorado, and Strata hops in it. 

(https://i.postimg.cc/xdYKYB35/122586752-815367775883534-1924877755020208515-n.jpg)

Awesome! But that beer should be in a Tulip shaped glass so you get the full aroma of the hops. I have pint glasses in my house that I use for everything but beer now.

Quote from: Sem on March 06, 2024, 12:43:52 AMMissed this post earlier. We have a lot of common memories, but I don't remember a sub shop called Lee's. Where was that? Somewhere in the back regions of my memory it seems like you and I may have had this discussion before regarding sub shops, though I could be wrong about that. But Pancho's Pit? - OH YEAH!! One on Riverside Drive in Johnson City, and one on Main St. in Endicott. Their lamb spiedies were quite a treat late, after a night of drinking.

*That steak place, across from SUNY B, I'm thinking that was probably The Vestal Steakhouse, with the big 10ft steer in front?

I couldn't begin to tell you where Lee's was.  I didn't have a car so I went with friends plus, to this day, I'm geographically illiterate.  It's only real distinction was that I had my first subs there.  I don't remember going there much after freshman year - I lived on campus for 3 years and my place for subs was the Hoagy Hut.

Interesting about the Pub being turned into a bowling alley because there was already a bowling alley in the SU when the Pub was the Pub.  I was a pretty big bowler back then, coming off of being the top guy on the 1972 Martin Van Buren HS NYC Champions (the height of my athletic career).  I participated in some of the ladders and was a member of the unofficial traveling team.

SUNY-B was a great place to be in the mid 70's (73 to 76, albeit class of 77 since I finished my degree in 76).  We got great concerts from people who were or would become big time for a 2 or 3 dollar pittance.  Best example is Billy Joes right after the Piano Man album was released.  We were a little long in our pre-concert (ahem) preparation, if you know what I mean, so the seats were packed out when we got there but there was empty floor space between the front row and the stage and went up there and sat on the floor, so I saw the concert from about 15 feet away from Billy and his piano.

Good times.  And talking about it is far better than YET ANOTHER whinging Daniel Jones thread where some folks seem compelled to say the same thing they've said literally (in its true meaning) a hundred or more times before.

P.S.  If you ever get a chance try Zywiec beer.  It's a Polish brewery and while their Lager is excellent their Baltic Porter is something special.  You can sometimes find it at Total Wine.

Quote from: Bob In PA on March 06, 2024, 08:38:53 AMEd: Careful there.

No household in PA would be caught dead w/out Rolling Rock (and Yuengling) on hand.

If we go for a visit and the host says, "I've got [insert name of an imported beer here]" on hand, that means he has Yuengling, Rolling Rock and [whatever beer he named]. The word "imported" means beer from anywhere outside of Pennsylvania. lol

Bob

PS. Same goes for scrapple. If you don't know what that is, look it up.

I love Scrapple. Linda won't touch it or smell it.

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 06, 2024, 09:47:25 AMI love Scrapple. Linda won't touch it or smell it.

Ed: It's the perfect breakfast food for those who love black pepper. That's how they disguise it. lol

Glad there's a few B.U. (formerly known as SUNY B) alumni on this board. BTW, SUNY B now means the old Broome Tech College, turned into Broome Community College by Nelson Rockefeller, and is now officially SUNY Broome. So if you say SUNY B around here, they think you're talking about the "other" college...but I digress. I have two friends in my life who also graduated from B.U., so it's nice to hear from others who went to the same school as me...but it's called Binghamton University now and has been for over a decade

You guys mention Poncho's Pit (which has been closed for years), but was my regular eating place when they had 2.00 spaghetti night, so maybe we've been in the same room together and didn't even know it. I remember when Roy Clark (world renown guitarist and host of the old TV show, Hee Haw) was in Poncho's Pit. Not sure why he was in town, but it thrilled the workers. Seems odd because it was just a hole in the wall restaurant

Bob's comments were spot on about Pennsylvanians and their beer. I have a brother and a sister who live in PA. However, Yuengling outsells RR about 10:1...at least "on tap". Even in Binghamton, everyone drinks Yuengling. Never had "scrapple", but after Googling it, I don't think I'll try it

Quote from: Bob In PA on March 06, 2024, 10:26:21 AMEd: It's the perfect breakfast food for those who love black pepper. That's how they disguise it. lol

She won't even eat Corned Beef Hash. Although she does eat Grits. However, she will eat instant grits but doesn't get excited when I soak my Anson Mills overnight and put love into them for an hour.

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 06, 2024, 10:29:14 AMBTW, SUNY B now means the old Broome Tech College, turned into Broome Community College by Nelson Rockefeller, and is now officially SUNY Broome. So if you say SUNY B around here, they think you're talking about the "other" college...but I digress.

You're right of course, old habits die hard. And of course BU used to be called Harpur College, and we used to jokingly refer to Broome Tech as Front Street High.

I've enjoyed how this thread has evolved.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on March 06, 2024, 09:37:59 AMGood times.  And talking about it is far better than YET ANOTHER whinging Daniel Jones thread where some folks seem compelled to say the same thing they've said literally (in its true meaning) a hundred or more times before.

If you could be so kind, could you please highlight a single negative comment relating to DJ in this thread?  I just went through all 4 pages and honestly could not find a single "anti-Jones" post.  A few of you are being incredibly unfair to the OP, who is guilty of posting a story from multiple reputable personalities, one of whom is an industry leader that's been in the business for four decades. If you note, no commentary was added...just a link to the story. So, where is the negativity?

While I love talking about beer (Westvleterne Brewery is my pick), I feel it's completely unfair to highjack a ligament thread, simply because a few posters are displeased with the narrative.  The irony is, if the OP reported the Giants were happy with DJ, @Jolly Blue Giant would be happy to regurgitate the same talking points about the terrible OL, offensive schemes and other rationale explaining DJ's poor performance. I'm generally interested in how this thread is fundamentally different than the thread he started last week(Schoen answers fan who hates DJ): https://giantsfans.net/message_board/index.php?topic=69200.0.  They both include links to reports about DJ without commentary.  The only difference is the link he provided is a positive assessment of DJ, while the link included in this thread is less so.  They directly contradict each other, which should be fertile ground for fruitful discussions; at a minimum, it provides a good balance as both reports cannot be true.  Yet, for some reason, he took offense and explicitly started a topic more appropriate for the front porch.  I will be hypocritical myself by acknowledging it's a good topic. and worthy of discussion in the appropriate forum.
 
IMO, making abrasive statements fairly opens you to criticism.  To that end, how many times have you 'literally' made whining statements about posters complaining about DJ? How is this different from your actions/statements? Fundamentally, they both can be viewed as repetitive whining....right?

I recognize my post is also abrasive; thus, I'm equally open to criticism, which I accept. However, I view hypocrisy as a massive pet-peeve, and this thread is ripe with it, especially the rationale for high-jacking it. 

Quote from: TDToomer on March 06, 2024, 08:44:30 AMAwesome! But that beer should be in a Tulip shaped glass so you get the full aroma of the hops. I have pint glasses in my house that I use for everything but beer now.

Yes, I have all the requisite glasses. In this case the pic was taken four years ago and the intent was to highlight the glass as much as the beer for friends of ours who had just bought a summer home up in the Thousand Islands.

Quote from: Sem on March 06, 2024, 11:35:03 AMYou're right of course, old habits die hard. And of course BU used to be called Harpur College, and we used to jokingly refer to Broome Tech as Front Street High.

I've enjoyed how this thread has evolved.

Back in my teen years, my older friends would go to "Harpur College" to buy drugs...in particular, "window pane acid" that students made in the school lab. One guy showed me a sheet of construction paper with lines drawn like graph paper on it, only in one inch squares. You could see in each square where the acid had been dropped. They would cut the paper up in one inch squares and then chew it up to get the acid. I pointed out to the guys that the drops weren't even close to being the same size. Some were the size of a nickel and other less than half that size. I told them they had no idea what they were putting in their system. They didn't care...it was the 60s. Harpur was well known for producing drugs back then. Some of the guys also got their drugs from Cornell where students were doing the same thing, but not as open about it

SUNY Broome was a highly technical school when it was Broome Tech. Nearly all the IBM engineers got their schooling there. At the time, it was strictly an engineering school. I've taken a few courses there over the years and the technical courses are every bit as grueling as the engineering courses at Binghamton U., but that is no longer the case, and it's more of a typical community college now, high in liberal arts. It's still listed as one of the top community colleges in New York, but it no longer resembles anything close to Broome Tech, although they have heavy courses in math, physics, engineering, and computer sciences. In the 70s, I went there to learn CAD/CAM because it was the only place within a hundred miles that taught that subject when it was a new technology

Quote from: Bob In PA on March 06, 2024, 08:38:53 AMEd: Careful there.

No household in PA would be caught dead w/out Rolling Rock (and Yuengling) on hand.

If we go for a visit and the host says, "I've got [insert name of an imported beer here]" on hand, that means he has Yuengling, Rolling Rock and [whatever beer he named]. The word "imported" means beer from anywhere outside of Pennsylvania. lol

Bob

PS. Same goes for scrapple. If you don't know what that is, look it up.

That's the board game with lettered tiles, right?😀

Quote from: kingm56 on March 06, 2024, 11:38:45 AMIf you could be so kind, could you please highlight a single negative comment relating to DJ in this thread? 

The great thing about a message board is that if someone posts something you don't like or you don't care to respond to you always have the option of not responding.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on March 06, 2024, 01:33:20 PMThe great thing about a message board is that if someone posts something you don't like or you don't care to respond to you always have the option of not responding.

I 100% agree; in fact, your statement formed the impetuous of my post.  If you or @Jolly Blue Giant had any issues with the topic, you should avoid it, just as you suggested.  Instead, it was explicitly hijacked with snide comments.  Surely you see the hypocrisy? 

BTW, there's now a second thread discussing this EXACT subject; the difference is it criticizes the Giants from moving on from DJ.  Will @Jolly Blue Giant hijack @MightyGiants thread?  No, he won't, because it fits his narrative, which is the height of hypocrisy.  Moreover, his rationale for hijacking this thread was fundamentally flawed as there were no negative comments relating to DJ.  He simply didn't like the story...

Getting back to the thread topic, I've seen multiple stories relating to the same topic.  I suspect it's a lot of guessing; to that point, I won't criticize the Giants or DJ until the completion of the draft.  We'll understand what directions the Giants are going at that point; right now, it's mere speculation, but there seems to be some smoke around this fire.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on March 06, 2024, 01:33:20 PMThe great thing about a message board is that if someone posts something you don't like or you don't care to respond to you always have the option of not responding.

I'll respond Rich. I think everyone is in an overload of discussing DJ on hundreds of previous threads, so it veered off... perhaps to stop talking about DJ...again¹⁰

No one has a clue what is going on in Schoen's head concerning DJ, and we won't know until after FA and the draft. Most figure he will give DJ another year, but even that's nothing more than an educated guess, because absolutely no one knows...and talking heads and beat writers throw crap at the wall to see if something sticks in order to get an audience during the dead period of football. All the guessing in the world won't illuminate what goes on in Schoen's head...so "taverns and schools and beer oh my"...anything to avoid one more comment on DJ

Quote from: kingm56 on March 06, 2024, 01:48:58 PMI 100% agree; in fact, your statement formed the impetuous of my post.  If you or @Jolly Blue Giant had any issues with the topic, you should avoid it, just as you suggested.  Instead, it was explicitly hijacked with snide comments.  Surely you see the hypocrisy? 

BTW, there's now a second thread discussing this EXACT subject; the difference is it criticizes the Giants from moving on from DJ.  Will @Jolly Blue Giant hijack @MightyGiants thread?  No, he won't, because it fits his narrative, which is the height of hypocrisy.  Moreover, his rationale for hijacking this thread was fundamentally flawed as there were no negative comments relating to DJ.  He simply didn't like the story...

Getting back to the thread topic, I've seen multiple stories relating to the same topic.  I suspect it's a lot of guessing; to that point, I won't criticize the Giants or DJ until the completion of the draft.  We'll understand what directions the Giants are going at that point; right now, it's mere speculation, but there seems to be some smoke around this fire.

Matt,

These are two different topics.  This thread discusses reports of rumors that reporter/ESPN host Rich Eissen heard that the Giants are done with Daniel Jones.

The other thread is a rant by a man qualified enough to be a GM (he actually interviewed for the Giants job), giving his expert opinion on how the Giants have been treating Daniel Jones and conducting their business.

Quote from: kingm56 on March 06, 2024, 01:48:58 PMI 100% agree; in fact, your statement formed the impetuous of my post.  If you or @Jolly Blue Giant had any issues with the topic, you should avoid it, just as you suggested.  Instead, it was explicitly hijacked with snide comments.  Surely you see the hypocrisy? 

BTW, there's now a second thread discussing this EXACT subject; the difference is it criticizes the Giants from moving on from DJ.  Will @Jolly Blue Giant hijack @MightyGiants thread?  No, he won't, because it fits his narrative, which is the height of hypocrisy.  Moreover, his rationale for hijacking this thread was fundamentally flawed as there were no negative comments relating to DJ.  He simply didn't like the story...

Getting back to the thread topic, I've seen multiple stories relating to the same topic.  I suspect it's a lot of guessing; to that point, I won't criticize the Giants or DJ until the completion of the draft.  We'll understand what directions the Giants are going at that point; right now, it's mere speculation, but there seems to be some smoke around this fire.

Wow...you got me all figured out...LOL

I didn't high jack this thread. It veered of course when Larry (Painter) brought up Balantine beer, and it brought back memories of many people who chimed in about Balantine, which in turn took off like a rocket. I'm thoroughly guilty of participating and found the chatter fun and interesting. Sorry  :( 

Quote from: kingm56 on March 06, 2024, 01:48:58 PMI 100% agree; in fact, your statement formed the impetuous of my post.  If you or @Jolly Blue Giant had any issues with the topic, you should avoid it, just as you suggested.  Instead, it was explicitly hijacked with snide comments.  Surely you see the hypocrisy? 

BTW, there's now a second thread discussing this EXACT subject; the difference is it criticizes the Giants from moving on from DJ.  Will @Jolly Blue Giant hijack @MightyGiants thread?  No, he won't, because it fits his narrative, which is the height of hypocrisy.  Moreover, his rationale for hijacking this thread was fundamentally flawed as there were no negative comments relating to DJ.  He simply didn't like the story...

Getting back to the thread topic, I've seen multiple stories relating to the same topic.  I suspect it's a lot of guessing; to that point, I won't criticize the Giants or DJ until the completion of the draft.  We'll understand what directions the Giants are going at that point; right now, it's mere speculation, but there seems to be some smoke around this fire.

About 75% of NYG fans want Daniel Jones gone. Not that they place all the blame on him, as any neophyte knows that the Offensive Line is a huge problem.

https://heavy.com/sports/new-york-giants/fan-approval-poll-daboll-daniel-jones/

"76.8% of fans voted that the Giants need to move on from Jones in 2024, adding that "he's not a franchise-caliber QB and can't stay healthy." 11.7% of 2,753 responses also voiced that the quarterback position deserves the most blame this season (second highest result), while a majority of fans (62.9%) targeted the offensive line as the number one culprit in 2023."

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 06, 2024, 01:53:47 PMMatt,

These are two different topics.  This thread discusses reports of rumors that reporter/ESPN host Rich Eissen heard that the Giants are done with Daniel Jones.

The other thread is a rant by a man qualified enough to be a GM (he actually interviewed for the Giants job), giving his expert opinion on how the Giants have been treating Daniel Jones and conducting their business.

Fundamentally, they revolve around the same point...the Giants moving on from DJ. BTW, I disagree  Riddick is more informed to offer an opinion on the subject than Eisen. The latter has a far better track record than the former, who's had some wild misses the last few years.  BTW, I fundamentally disagree that interviewing for a job qualifies you to speak on the subject.  Put another way, do you place every job interview on your resume?  Doesn't it speak louder that he wasn't hired, despite multiple interviews?  If anything, the NFL seems to be telling him he's not qualified for the role.

Regardless, I appreciate you discussing the topic and recognize that both reports maybe full of poo.

Quote from: kingm56 on March 06, 2024, 02:15:33 PMFundamentally, they revolve around the same point...the Giants moving on from DJ. BTW, I disagree  Riddick is more informed to offer an opinion on the subject than Eisen. The latter has a far better track record than the former, who's had some wild misses the last few years.  BTW, I fundamentally disagree that interviewing for a job qualifies you to speak on the subject.  Put another way, do you place every job interview on your resume?  Doesn't it speak louder that he wasn't hired, despite multiple interviews?  If anything, the NFL seems to be telling him he's not qualified for the role.

Regardless, I appreciate you discussing the topic and recognize that both reports maybe full of poo.

I once read an article that suggested when you read opinions, you should treat the person espousing the opinion like a court treats qualifying an expert witness.   You look at their education and experience and what qualifies them as an expert.

You claim that Eissen has a better "track record" than Reddick, but I seriously doubt that you took the time to go over every position held by both men and compared their overall track record.  I suspect you just selected a few instances that would support your preconceived notions. 

The bottom line is that Richard Eissen is not remotely qualified to be an expert witness, while the evidence is overwhelming for Louis Reddick.   That's why I will value Reddick's opinions over Eissen's.

I am not advocating blindly listening to opinions, it's still well worth hearing them with a critical mindset, but I do advocate for expertise over matching

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 06, 2024, 01:57:32 PMWow...you got me all figured out...LOL

I didn't high jack this thread. It veered of course when Larry (Painter) brought up Balantine beer, and it brought back memories of many people who chimed in about Balantine, which in turn took off like a rocket. I'm thoroughly guilty of participating and found the chatter fun and interesting. Sorry  :(

You're correct; I was completely wrong to single you out.  Please accept my sincere apologizes.  I won't delete my post because I think it's unfair to hide my oversight.  Still, I do take issues with the few posters who purposely highjacked a thread that contained zero negative comments. It was a news story from a legitimate NFL host with a 40-year track record of not making hyperbolic statements.  As I stated, posters' favorite beer is a great subject and worthy of discussion; yet, I think it's completely disrespectful and unfair to the OP to purposely sidetrack his thread.  Again, 100% wrong of me to single you out...but, I would like my overall critique to stand. 

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 06, 2024, 02:03:22 PMAbout 75% of NYG fans want Daniel Jones gone. Not that they place all the blame on him, as any neophyte knows that the Offensive Line is a huge problem.

https://heavy.com/sports/new-york-giants/fan-approval-poll-daboll-daniel-jones/

"76.8% of fans voted that the Giants need to move on from Jones in 2024, adding that "he's not a franchise-caliber QB and can't stay healthy." 11.7% of 2,753 responses also voiced that the quarterback position deserves the most blame this season (second highest result), while a majority of fans (62.9%) targeted the offensive line as the number one culprit in 2023."

That's a heck of a lot higher than I would have guessed. I suspect the poll would have been reversed from 2022.

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 06, 2024, 01:20:17 PMBack in my teen years, my older friends would go to "Harpur College" to buy drugs...in particular, "window pane acid" that students made in the school lab. One guy showed me a sheet of construction paper with lines drawn like graph paper on it, only in one inch squares. You could see in each square where the acid had been dropped. They would cut the paper up in one inch squares and then chew it up to get the acid. I pointed out to the guys that the drops weren't even close to being the same size. Some were the size of a nickel and other less than half that size. I told them they had no idea what they were putting in their system. They didn't care...it was the 60s. Harpur was well known for producing drugs back then. Some of the guys also got their drugs from Cornell where students were doing the same thing, but not as open about it

SUNY Broome was a highly technical school when it was Broome Tech. Nearly all the IBM engineers got their schooling there. At the time, it was strictly an engineering school. I've taken a few courses there over the years and the technical courses are every bit as grueling as the engineering courses at Binghamton U., but that is no longer the case, and it's more of a typical community college now, high in liberal arts. It's still listed as one of the top community colleges in New York, but it no longer resembles anything close to Broome Tech, although they have heavy courses in math, physics, engineering, and computer sciences. In the 70s, I went there to learn CAD/CAM because it was the only place within a hundred miles that taught that subject when it was a new technology

My son is a BU student at the Watson School of Engineering.

In a related subject to your post, being a devoted Grateful Dead fan two shows stand out 5/2/70 which took place on campus(there's a wall plaque in a dining hall), and 11/6/77 which was at Broome County Coliseum. My son tells me that one of the bars in town serves a Jerry Garcia cocktail, Deep Eddy Peach Vodka, Razzmatazz, and Triple Sec.

Best threadjack ever. I propose we discuss our favorite Italian foods in the next unnecessary Jones thread.

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 06, 2024, 02:26:27 PMI once read an article that suggested when you read opinions, you should treat the person espousing the opinion like a court treats qualifying an expert witness.  You look at their education and experience and what qualifies them as an expert.

You claim that Eissen has a better "track record" than Reddick, but I seriously doubt that you took the time to go over every position held by both men and compared their overall track record.  I suspect you just selected a few instances that would support your preconceived notions. 

The bottom line is that Richard Eissen is not remotely qualified to be an expert witness, while the evidence is overwhelming for Louis Reddick.  That's why I will value Reddick's opinions over Eissen's.

I am not advocating blindly listening to opinions, it's still well worth hearing them with a critical mindset, but I do advocate for expertise over matching

Rich, is Eisen analyzing the protentional transaction, or is he simply reporting information, which is his 40-year career gives him access to?  If it's the former, I'll take Eisen over Reddick any day. 

Reddick seems to be reporting the same news, but adding a different nuance than Eisen. I suspect said nuance is based on comments he made last season regarding DJ:

"Giants did exactly what they should have done with Jones and Barkley.

Daboll/Kafka combination going to be even better in year two, and they will take DJ to another level with improved interior OL play & more weapons, as Kafka becomes one of/THE hottest HC candidates for 2024

The amount of learning, adapting, adjusting, and continuous improving that Kafka did both personally and as far as utilizing what he had to work with as a play caller in '22 was exceptional. One of THE best assistant coaching jobs of the year."

If the Giants really are moving on from DJ (and Barkley), Riddick was either wrong then, or he's wrong now.  Regardless, I think it's fair to equate his current analysis to last years projections.

From drafting Haskins, hiring Nick Saban, calling AT a flop, and resigning DJ and Barkley, he's simply been dead wrong as it relates to our Giants.  In fact, i struggle to recall a time he's been right, at least as it relates to the Giants. 

Quote from: files58 on March 06, 2024, 02:45:24 PMMy son is a BU student at the Watson School of Engineering.

In a related subject to your post, being a devoted Grateful Dead fan two shows stand out 5/2/70 which took place on campus(there's a wall plaque in a dining hall), and 11/6/77 which was at Broome County Coliseum. My son tells me that one of the bars in town serves a Jerry Garcia cocktail, Deep Eddy Peach Vodka, Razzmatazz, and Triple Sec.

The Grateful Dead's May 2nd 1970 concert at SUNY Binghamton was an important concert in the band's evolution.

"The Grateful Dead's performance at SUNY Binghamton on May 2, 1970 is the stuff of legend, even for a band with a lengthy history of such events. Not only was the show seven hours of music, not only was it all broadcast on FM radio several weeks later and not only was it widely bootlegged and finally released as Dick's Picks Vol. 8. The show epitomized the expansion of the Grateful Dead from a cultish phenomenon in San Francisco and Manhattan to an extended community throughout the United States and beyond. I would argue that no show did more than Binghamton to expand the band's legend, since it was broadcast, circulated on bootleg lps, circulated on tape and then finally released, so Heads of every era absorbed it as their own."

https://hooterollin.blogspot.com/search/label/Binghamton

https://www.amazon.com/Dicks-Picks-Vol-College-Binghamton/dp/B00004TYB6



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV_O-VgxmPU

Quote from: kingm56 on March 06, 2024, 03:16:51 PMRich, is Eisen analyzing the protentional transaction, or is he simply reporting information, which is his 40-year career gives him access to?  If it's the former, I'll take Eisen over Reddick any day. 

Reddick seems to be reporting the same news, but adding a different nuance than Eisen. I suspect said nuance is based on comments he made last season regarding DJ:

"Giants did exactly what they should have done with Jones and Barkley.

Daboll/Kafka combination going to be even better in year two, and they will take DJ to another level with improved interior OL play & more weapons, as Kafka becomes one of/THE hottest HC candidates for 2024

The amount of learning, adapting, adjusting, and continuous improving that Kafka did both personally and as far as utilizing what he had to work with as a play caller in '22 was exceptional. One of THE best assistant coaching jobs of the year."

If the Giants really are moving on from DJ (and Barkley), Riddick was either wrong then, or he's wrong now.  Regardless, I think it's fair to equate his current analysis to last years projections.

From drafting Haskins, hiring Nick Saban, calling AT a flop, and resigning DJ and Barkley, he's simply been dead wrong as it relates to our Giants.  In fact, i struggle to recall a time he's been right, at least as it relates to the Giants. 

If the Giants are moving on from DJ it's injury driven.   Seeing how the Giants didn't share the information on DJ's neck injury , how do you justify claiming he is wrong.  On top of that, no one , not even you, predicted the utter meltdown of the O-line which was clearly the problem that led to all the others.   You seem eager to declare Reddick "wrong".  Likely because you didn't like what he had to say.

Louis is absolutely right. His comments are among the most intelligent I have heard about Daniel Jones and the Giants.

Quote from: TDToomer on March 06, 2024, 02:51:08 PMBest threadjack ever. I propose we discuss our favorite Italian foods in the next unnecessary Jones thread.

=))

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 06, 2024, 03:42:24 PMIf the Giants are moving on from DJ it's injury driven.  Seeing how the Giants didn't share the information on DJ's neck injury , how do you justify claiming he is wrong.  On top of that, no one , not even you, predicted the utter meltdown of the O-line which was clearly the problem that led to all the others.  You seem eager to declare Reddick "wrong".  Likely because you didn't like what he had to say.

You honestly believe DJs performance over the last 60 games has nothing to do with this potential decision? Didn't you just post multiple reports stating DJ was healing well and will be ready for the season?  If true, this potential move appears to be predicated on performance, vice medical concerns, although I'm sure that does factor into the decisions.  I understand your eagerness to support his Narrative as it aligns with your own.  As I highlighted, Reddick has an impressive track record for being wrong, as it relates to the Giants.  You can't deny that, Rich.

You're also completely wrong regarding my predictions, which you can check. I was one of the few posters who believed this was a sub 500 team, predicting 7 wins. I thought fans were overhyping the coaching, Wallers presence and the perceived OL improvements. When posters were hyping Glow, I was calling him a below average guard. IMO, last years performance was completely predictable.

I also never declared Reddick completely wrong; in fact, go back to the other thread where I explicitly stated there was some validity to his rant.  However, the Giants do not bare sole responsibility for their current paradigm. The players performance should also be part of the calculus, to which can only be classified as below average over the last 60 games, say for one good season.  I'm not going to criticize the Giants because of the following:

1. I don't know what roll Mara played in signing DJ. I differed greatly from you in that you were elated the 'Giants signed their franchise QB to a long-term deal.'  I thought it was a poor decision, but understood the situation and appreciated the 2-year out.  If Mara was involved, I thought our GM perfectly threaded the needle.

2.  I don't know if the story is true.

Let's see where Penix gets drafted. If two ACL's were an issue, then he shouldn't be drafted at all. Which completely negates the DJ narrative that the Giants are moving on from Jones because of injury issues.

The BS is nothing more than a few fans trying to get save face.

Quote from: Sem on March 06, 2024, 03:25:30 PMThe Grateful Dead's May 2nd 1970 concert at SUNY Binghamton was an important concert in the band's evolution.

"The Grateful Dead's performance at SUNY Binghamton on May 2, 1970 is the stuff of legend, even for a band with a lengthy history of such events. Not only was the show seven hours of music, not only was it all broadcast on FM radio several weeks later and not only was it widely bootlegged and finally released as Dick's Picks Vol. 8. The show epitomized the expansion of the Grateful Dead from a cultish phenomenon in San Francisco and Manhattan to an extended community throughout the United States and beyond. I would argue that no show did more than Binghamton to expand the band's legend, since it was broadcast, circulated on bootleg lps, circulated on tape and then finally released, so Heads of every era absorbed it as their own."

https://hooterollin.blogspot.com/search/label/Binghamton

https://www.amazon.com/Dicks-Picks-Vol-College-Binghamton/dp/B00004TYB6



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV_O-VgxmPU

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Here's 11/6/77. When I say I'm a fan I've been to 150+ shows, and now see the main cover bands for lack of a better term. Dead & Co., Phil & Friends, Joe Russo's Almost Dead, DSO, and Stella Blues Band(NYC Metro), and some others. My first show 9/2/78 with about 40,000 of my closest friends in Giants Stadium.

https://archive.org/details/gd77-11-06.sbd.nawrocki.283.sbeok.shnf

John Mayer asked Bobby how would I know the Dead. Bobby told him listen to 1977, and Spring of 90'. They were blazing hot in 77', and 90' was a very good year.

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 06, 2024, 05:39:11 PMLet's see where Penix gets drafted. If two ACL's were an issue, then he shouldn't be drafted at all. Which completely negates the DJ narrative that the Giants are moving on from Jones because of injury issues.

The BS is nothing more than a few fans trying to get save face.

Concerning Penix, is he your number 1 prospect overall, or your #1 prospect the Giants could reasonably draft?  I have serious concerns about him as a prospect.

Quote from: TDToomer on March 06, 2024, 02:51:08 PMBest threadjack ever. I propose we discuss our favorite Italian foods in the next unnecessary Jones thread.

Sounds good to me.  There was a political board I used to go to and sometimes they would post some vacuous entertainment world articles, so I would post one of my favorite recipes, like no knead bread, hot water cornbread, no churn ice cream, and the like.  They were always well received.

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 06, 2024, 05:39:11 PMLet's see where Penix gets drafted. If two ACL's were an issue, then he shouldn't be drafted at all. Which completely negates the DJ narrative that the Giants are moving on from Jones because of injury issues.

The BS is nothing more than a few fans trying to get save face.

Completely agree. Some are using Jones' injuries as a convenient escape hatch from years of claiming (or strongly implying) that he's actually this really good QB who simply never had enough help. Getting outplayed by backups with the same supporting cast is lost in the shuffle for this group. They either mentally block that reality out, or they make the claim the O line suddenly played well for others but not for him.

Jones' demise is 100% about the injuries, and nothing else. The Giants will knowingly abandon a highly talented player who was destined for greatness solely because of the injuries. That is the new narrative.

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 06, 2024, 05:39:11 PMLet's see where Penix gets drafted. If two ACL's were an issue, then he shouldn't be drafted at all. Which completely negates the DJ narrative that the Giants are moving on from Jones because of injury issues.

The BS is nothing more than a few fans trying to get save face.

The neck injuries are the concern for me. One more bad hit, fall, twist and he could be forced to retire, or incur a life altering injury.

Quote from: kingm56 on March 06, 2024, 04:25:10 PMYou honestly believe DJs performance over the last 60 games has nothing to do with this potential decision?

You mentioned "60 games".  Why pick that number?  How many of those games were played prior to Schoen and Daboll signing him to the big-ticket deal?   The reality is you have 4 complete games (one with a record comeback) and 2 partial games where, in the span of those five-plus games, he was sacked 30 times.  That is the point Reddick is making.  It's pretty fickle to take that small sample size under terrible conditions and declare one was right all along that DJ was no good.  Then again, as you bring up later in the post, you have an eye toward wanting to say you were right and others were wrong, so that could skew your judgment just a smidge.

Quote from: kingm56 on March 06, 2024, 05:54:13 PMConcerning Penix, is he your number 1 prospect overall, or your #1 prospect the Giants could reasonably draft?  I have serious concerns about him as a prospect.
No and I don't know. 

Quote from: files58 on March 06, 2024, 05:50:44 PM2

Here's 11/6/77. When I say I'm a fan I've been to 150+ shows, and now see the main cover bands for lack of a better term. Dead & Co., Phil & Friends, Joe Russo's Almost Dead, DSO, and Stella Blues Band(NYC Metro), and some others. My first show 9/2/78 with about 40,000 of my closest friends in Giants Stadium.

https://archive.org/details/gd77-11-06.sbd.nawrocki.283.sbeok.shnf

John Mayer asked Bobby how would I know the Dead. Bobby told him listen to 1977, and Spring of 90'. They were blazing hot in 77', and 90' was a very good year.

That's awesome!! I never saw them in concert, nor would I consider myself a big Grateful Dead fan. I only have one of their albums - "Wake of the Flood," which I do really like. Also a few years ago @weeze burned me a copy of "American Beauty." Aside from those two albums I'm only familiar with their hits. Though I have known about the significance of the 1970 Binghamton concert, in the grand scheme of things, because I don't live totally under a rock.  =))

https://youtu.be/Lpa9_QDf068?si=p5Gj1j0zDyj8QF6V

Think they have a good conversation from both sides of the opinion.

Quote from: Sem on March 06, 2024, 07:13:59 PMThat's awesome!! I never saw them in concert, nor would I consider myself a big Grateful Dead fan. I only have one of their albums - "Wake of the Flood," which I do really like. Also a few years ago @weeze burned me a copy of "American Beauty." Aside from those two albums I'm only familiar with their hits. Though I have known about the significance of the 1970 Binghamton concert, in the grand scheme of things, because I don't live totally under a rock.  =))

There is a famous quote "there is nothing like a Grateful Dead concert". It's true. At my first aforementioned concert I was straight, just on oxygen, and the music itself just blew me away, floating on a cloud. They had the best sound system in the business. A formula that has been copied. Their music is an amalgam of several genres. Rock, country, bluegrass, and jazz. Jerry was greatly influenced by bluegrass, Phil Lesh the bassist was classically trained. Ok so you're familiar with Wake of the Flood. Albums are nice but their genius is live. Improvisational jamming at it's best. No two shows are alike. Go onto archive.org and you can search Grateful Dead. Listen to the Mississippi Half Step from the 77' show I posted, you can go to you tube and search Grateful Dead, or just search Eyes of the World, Here Comes Sunshine and you'll get a feel for live vs album. Turn it up, and enjoy. There is a reason so many of us Heads travelled around to see them. Another famous quote "they're not the best at what they do, but the only ones who do what they do".

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 06, 2024, 08:19:56 PMhttps://youtu.be/Lpa9_QDf068?si=p5Gj1j0zDyj8QF6V

Think they have a good conversation from both sides of the opinion.

These fucking guys are exhausting. No you don't need to start a rookie QB week one ya moron. Start Jones and work the kid in when the time presents itself and the kid is somewhat prepared. Get a qualified backup on a one year deal as insurance.

Quote from: files58 on March 06, 2024, 08:54:24 PMThere is a famous quote "there is nothing like a Grateful Dead concert". It's true. At my first aforementioned concert I was straight, just on oxygen, and the music itself just blew me away, floating on a cloud. They had the best sound system in the business. A formula that has been copied. Their music is an amalgam of several genres. Rock, country, bluegrass, and jazz. Jerry was greatly influenced by bluegrass, Phil Lesh the bassist was classically trained. Ok so you're familiar with Wake of the Flood. Albums are nice but their genius is live. Improvisational jamming at it's best. No two shows are alike. Go onto archive.org and you can search Grateful Dead. Listen to the Mississippi Half Step from the 77' show I posted, you can go to you tube and search Grateful Dead, or just search Eyes of the World, Here Comes Sunshine and you'll get a feel for live vs album. Turn it up, and enjoy. There is a reason so many of us Heads travelled around to see them. Another famous quote "they're not the best at what they do, but the only ones who do what they do".

Thanks I appreciate your reply. I'll definitely listen to those songs. I remember buying Wake of the Flood as a teen even though I was completely unfamiliar with anything on the album. It was in the cut outs for a couple bucks, I'd heard some of their songs and thought I'd give it a try. It became one of my go-to late night chill albums. I no longer have it, or any of my old LPs as I donated my turntable and albums, not wanting to pack and move them from NY to CA. But before I did I digitized a bunch of albums, Wake of the Flood being one of them. The copy sits on my music server and I still listen to it from time to time.

Quote from: Sem on March 06, 2024, 10:16:01 PMThanks I appreciate your reply. I'll definitely listen to those songs. I remember buying Wake of the Flood as a teen even though I was completely unfamiliar with anything on the album. It was in the cut outs for a couple bucks, I'd heard some of their songs and thought I'd give it a try. It became one of my go-to late night chill albums. I no longer have it, or any of my old LPs as I donated my turntable and albums, not wanting to pack and move them from NY to CA. But before I did I digitized a bunch of albums, Wake of the Flood being one of them. The copy sits on my music server and I still listen to it from time to time.

Here is a great Eyes of the World played at one of their iconic shows, Englishtown, NJ 9/3/77 in front of about 150,000 folks. That's right 150,000.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30f_Eo9ynW8&ab_channel=GottMike1832

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 06, 2024, 06:56:33 PMYou mentioned "60 games".  Why pick that number?  How many of those games were played prior to Schoen and Daboll signing him to the big-ticket deal?   The reality is you have 4 complete games (one with a record comeback) and 2 partial games where, in the span of those five-plus games, he was sacked 30 times.  That is the point Reddick is making.  It's pretty fickle to take that small sample size under terrible conditions and declare one was right all along that DJ was no good.  Then again, as you bring up later in the post, you have an eye toward wanting to say you were right and others were wrong, so that could skew your judgment just a smidge.

That number is relevant because it shows the complete body of work that Jones has put on film. If we're being honest, the deal should not have been made based on one good season out of five.

You're kidding yourself if you don't think the games Jones played prior to Schoen taking over didn't factor into the decision to *NOT* pick up the 5th-year option. Mara's preference to keep Jones absolutely factored into that decision as well.

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 06, 2024, 08:58:42 PMThese fucking guys are exhausting. No you don't need to start a rookie QB week one ya moron. Start Jones and work the kid in when the time presents itself and the kid is somewhat prepared. Get a qualified backup on a one year deal as insurance.

They are insufferable.  Morning hosts on talk radio here in NY and I'd rather listen to opera than these two.  Licata subscribes to the theory that by yelling loudest you win the argument.  They're also the clowns who hung up on Carl Banks

Giants Done with Daniel Jones? After this year, almost certainly even if he has what Giants fans would consider a really good season. It's a matter of economic exigency whether or not it brings relief or agita to Schoen and/or Daboll.

Cheers!

Quote from: Painter on March 07, 2024, 12:03:05 PMGiants Done with Daniel Jones? After this year, almost certainly even if he has what Giants fans would consider a really good season. It's a matter of economic exigency whether or not it brings relief or agita to Schoen and/or Daboll.

Cheers!

Instead of NY or Giants on the side of their helmets they should put Agita. I'm laughing thinking about it. Would make for great commentary by the talking heads, and announcers. 

Quote from: Painter on March 07, 2024, 12:03:05 PMGiants Done with Daniel Jones? After this year, almost certainly even if he has what Giants fans would consider a really good season. It's a matter of economic exigency whether or not it brings relief or agita to Schoen and/or Daboll.

Cheers!

You're making too much sense Larry. Better to build on a Rookie contract.

Quote from: Painter on March 07, 2024, 12:03:05 PMGiants Done with Daniel Jones? After this year, almost certainly even if he has what Giants fans would consider a really good season. It's a matter of economic exigency whether or not it brings relief or agita to Schoen and/or Daboll.

Cheers!

Exactly, Larry; irregardless if you like Jones or not, there's zero debate relating to his production relative to his contract, especially in the 3rd/4th year.  When you factor the limited 2025 QB draft options, it seems logical our Giants would attempt to address the position this year.  Regardless if the 2024 draft affords them said opportunity or not, it's highly probable next season will be DJs last with the football Giants.  To that end, I really don't believe there's anything confrontational about Eisen's comments.