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Tied for last or tied for first. Everyone's record is 0-0.
This past year the Eagles started out very strong and completely imploded, starting 10-1 and then finishing 1-6 including getting shredded in their one and done playoff game. It will be interesting if that end of the season leaves a hangover.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 02, 2024, 10:34:33 AMThis past year the Eagles started out very strong and completely imploded, starting 10-1 and then finishing 1-6 including getting shredded in their one and done playoff game. It will be interesting if that end of the season leaves a hangover.
Carl Banks thinks it will. Banks feels that late-season victory over a team (who needed a win) that had been bullying you for years was big for NYG's confidence
I hate to say it but Philly lost both a very good OC and DC the year before . Both were so good that the NFL teams hired them as their Head Coaches. Well guess what? That Roseman once again went for the gusto and brought in Fangio and Kellen Moore. He did a phenomenal job in not sticking with two guys that weren't performing but quickly pivoted two two proven coordinators with strong track records.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 02, 2024, 10:36:50 AMCarl Banks thinks it will. Banks feels that late-season victory over a team (who needed a win) that had been bullying you for years was big for NYG's confidence
I've never seen a correlation between the play at the end of one year and what happens the following year. Means nothing.
Quote from: katkavage on May 02, 2024, 04:42:37 PMI've never seen a correlation between the play at the end of one year and what happens the following year. Means nothing.
Unlike the 2022 Giants and the 2023 Giants.
Quote from: Ed Vette on May 02, 2024, 08:50:57 PMUnlike the 2022 Giants and the 2023 Giants.
Right, the Giants rode that momentum of a winning season right into 2023, didn't they? Too much happens in the off season to ever think there will be a carry over. Not to mention what happens to the teams they end up playing and the schedule they get. When the Giants beat the Eagles at the end of the year in a meaningless game for both teams, pretty much, the Eagles were playing maybe the worst football of anyone in the NFL. I hope it carries over to this season. Doubtful though.
Quote from: katkavage on May 03, 2024, 07:11:43 AMRight, the Giants rode that momentum of a winning season right into 2023, didn't they? Too much happens in the off season to ever think there will be a carry over. Not to mention what happens to the teams they end up playing and the schedule they get. When the Giants beat the Eagles at the end of the year in a meaningless game for both teams, pretty much, the Eagles were playing maybe the worst football of anyone in the NFL. I hope it carries over to this season. Doubtful though.
2022- 2-5-1
2023- 2-8
This link will start the video where Banks explains how that victory over the Eagles mattered
https://youtu.be/IPkDWLzJHS8?list=PLx1t0RBHW6Qr7ojtpJDJRgf2GmohPJ2t6&t=880
NFC East TOTALLY UP FOR GRABS
Only certainty is we will be creamed in Jerryland for that one game
We will own the Eagles for a decade now Their turn to suffer in a winner takes all back and forth series
If we don't finish last we'll be third. That is our realistic ceiling.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 03, 2024, 07:52:30 PMIf we don't finish last we'll be third. That is our realistic ceiling.
I have to think the Eagles are the odds-on favorite to win the division. I am not sure Dallas won't look very diminished this season. Washington's standings will depend on how quickly all the draft picks and free agents can come together.
I think if everything falls right, the Giants could top out at 2nd in the division
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 04, 2024, 07:18:45 AMI have to think the Eagles are the odds-on favorite to win the division. I am not sure Dallas won't look very diminished this season. Washington's standings will depend on how quickly all the draft picks and free agents can come together.
I think if everything falls right, the Giants could top out at 2nd in the division
I won't disagree that Dallas might take a step back this year. I still think their floor is pretty high though. A step back for them might mean just 10 wins instead of their typical 12 or 13. Is our absolute best case scenario ceiling higher than that? Never say never I guess, but I highly doubt it. We did add some nice players, but we also lost some, and we have deeper holes in our roster than they do.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 04, 2024, 07:54:58 AMI won't disagree that Dallas might take a step back this year. I still think their floor is pretty high though. A step back for them might mean just 10 wins instead of their typical 12 or 13. Is our absolute best case scenario ceiling higher than that? Never say never I guess, but I highly doubt it. We did add some nice players, but we also lost some, and we have deeper holes in our roster than they do.
Let's not forget Dal also has an AP returning to thier secondary this season; they still have AP/PB level talent on both sides of the ball.
Quote from: kingm56 on May 04, 2024, 08:02:29 AMLet's not forget Dal also has an AP returning to thier secondary this season; they still have AP/PB level talent on both sides of the ball.
Exactly.
I feel like every year many people believe Dallas will fall off, and I wonder if some of that has to do with their postseason futility leaving a bad taste in everyone's mouth going into the offseason. The reality with Dallas is that they're very talented, and they draft well pretty much every year, but they have a QB who is only good and not great. As anyone who has been watching this sport with an objective lens for the past 15-odd years will have observed, it is all but impossible to win a Super Bowl in the modern NFL with just a "good" QB (Dak, Cousins, etc) on second or third contract money. That doesn't mean the Cowboys are not still a very good regular season team though.
@DaveBrown74 and
@kingm56 Remember last year when everyone ignored the Eagles' losing both their OC and DC and predicted a repeated trip to the Super Bowl? The Cowboys lost their very talented DC this past offseason (along with a number of veteran starters). Those sorts of losses tend to go under the radar but are often the most impactful.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 04, 2024, 08:54:51 AM@DaveBrown74 and @kingm56
Remember last year when everyone ignored the Eagles' losing both their OC and DC and predicted a repeated trip to the Super Bowl? The Cowboys lost their very talented DC this past offseason (along with a number of veteran starters). Those sorts of losses tend to go under the radar but are often the most impactful.
Yet, they still won 11 games and made the playoffs. This place went crazy when we won 9 games; so, I don't see 11 wins as a failure, despite how they finished.
If OC/DC were the primary issue, they would have struggled out the gate as players were learning the new systems; however, the reverse happened. Even good teams go through spells; it happens all the time. Regardless, I suspect they'll win double-digit games again this season, but will wait until Aug to make any real predictions.
Quote from: kingm56 on May 04, 2024, 09:07:19 AMYet, they still won 11 games and made the playoffs. This place went crazy when we won 9 games; so, I don't see 11 wins as a failure, despite how they finished.
If OC/DC were the primary issue, they would have struggled out the gate as players were learning the new systems; however, the reverse happened. Even good teams go through spells; it happens all the time. Regardless, I suspect they'll win double-digit games again this season, but will wait until Aug to make any real predictions.
Matt,
I am confused. The expectation for the Eagles (and this seemed to be a strong consensus) was that they would be returning to the Super Bowl. How does putting up 11 wins (and making the playoffs) while suffering an embarrassing end-of-season loss to the Giants and immediately getting booted from the playoffs in a butt-kicking by the Bucs suggest the Eagles met expectations?
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 04, 2024, 08:54:51 AM@DaveBrown74 and @kingm56
Remember last year when everyone ignored the Eagles' losing both their OC and DC and predicted a repeated trip to the Super Bowl? The Cowboys lost their very talented DC this past offseason (along with a number of veteran starters). Those sorts of losses tend to go under the radar but are often the most impactful.
They replaced Dan Quinn with Mike Zimmer who is probably just as good a DC.
Quote from: AYM on May 04, 2024, 09:23:41 AMThey replaced Dan Quinn with Mike Zimmer who is probably just as good a DC.
Maybe, but he's 67 and spent the last couple of seasons kicking around the college ranks as an analyst/consultant. At his prime, I would say you are correct, but it almost seemed like he was in semi-retirement and now is coming back. Such returns are not always certain.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 04, 2024, 09:20:35 AMMatt,
I am confused. The expectation for the Eagles (and this seemed to be a strong consensus) was that they would be returning to the Super Bowl. How does putting up 11 wins (and making the playoffs) while suffering an embarrassing end-of-season loss to the Giants and immediately getting booted from the playoffs in a butt-kicking by the Bucs suggest the Eagles met expectations?
Expectations by whom?
Quote from: kingm56 on May 04, 2024, 09:29:57 AMExpectations by whom?
I said the consensus expected the Eagles to return to the Super Bowl. What is the purpose of your question? Are you disputing the consensus expected a Super Bowl repeat? Do you want me to list a bunch of people who made that prediction so you can go to Google and most people who didn't predict the Eagles would return (even though consensus means the majority is not unanimous)?
Can't you acknowledge that the Eagles fell far short of expectations?